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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Rebirtha]
#22425806 - 10/24/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Webster10 said: No, methane is actually mostly produced from human agricultural practices. The term direct variation means that they fluctuated in sync.... like you're trying to say That however is not evidence of a causal relationship. Perhaps temperature begins to rise, and because of increased agriculture productivity more organisms begin to flourish and the overall net gain in the biosphere is the reason for the increased levels of C02. We could even come to find that increased air polution and more C02 in the atmosphere could skyrocket and the natural cooling of the Earth could bring it right back down despite the C02 levels. You have no way of knowing that's not the case, as well as no one knows whether C02 does "regulate" the global tenperature. Being smug and overstating evidence doesn't make a wacky theory more credible.
This is just silly. Co2 doesn't go up because the biosphere increases, it goes down because if it's in the biosphere it's not in the atmosphere.
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makaveli8x8 said: and yet their are scientists suggesting polluting the air with certain chemicals/materials to lower tempature and your laughing because u think the temp can't be manipulated?
One theory is one of the ice ages was caused by ash/smoke in the air, and have u seen china lately? dude pollution could easily fuck shit up massively in either direction
Do you have any legitimate evidence to support your argument that human polution can drastically affect the global temperature?
Yes. CO2 levels regulate global temperatures. This is not controversial science. This is settled science. There is a direct causal relationship between CO2 and temperatures. Specifically changing CO2 causes changing temperatures. We have pushed CO2 levels nearly two times higher than have been caused naturally in the past million years. Temps will continue to rise and it is directly out fault.
Methane is a huge problem. That is the climate killer right there.
"CO2 levels regulate global temperature" "Methane is the climate killer"
So confused by your own bullshit you can't even make up your mind. Is methane a huge problem? Or do CO2 levels alone control the global temperature? If the latter was correct why would methane be a problem? 
In the graph, temperature CO2 directly vary. Now tell me, why isn't temperature directly varying with our "lethal" CO2 levels? I live damn close to the equator and the summer heat was far from lethal. It was pretty damn refreshing. Methane is more of a "problem" than CO2 and even methane polution is a relatively miniscule problem for the world when compared with other pressing issues. Being alarmist and untruthful about global warming just seems lame to me. But if you'd like to further continue the act go ahead.
Cut the crap. Noone was talking about agricultural methane. What was being discussed was fucking frozen, sequestered methane in permafrost. And what? Do you think the temperature rise is instant? It fucking takes time to build up heat, especially when you're measuring the average temperature of an enormous thermal mass, even a change in temperature of one degree is enormous on this scale and indicates that the planet is getting warmer. When CO2 heats the planet the permafrost ain't so perma no more and the methane escapes further increasing global heating. The fact that an enormous amount of methane is sequestered in permafrost means that if the planet warms to a certain point and the methane escapes then heating will happen dramatically faster.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22426311 - 10/24/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Yes. CO2 levels regulate global temperatures.
false. it's one of many modifiers
once more, you do not science
It's the main modifier. The temperature on earth is simply a balance between how much energy comes in and how much leaves. CO2 regulates how much leaves.
Thanks to Webster, we can see exactly how strongly CO2 regulates climate.
Again, none of this is controversial science.

and yet c02 and temperatures do not always coincide... why is that exactly?
and yes, it is controversial, if you want to follow some ridiculous notion of a political body then you've proven that, the science has said that man isnt responsible, that this is a natural phenomenon but for some reason you want to ignore NASA and the NOAA, the very same people you like to cite when it suits your needs. you should totally work for the IPCC, you use the same bullshit they do
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
#22426347 - 10/24/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: I'm not being smug. CO2 regulates global climate. What is smug is your belief that you know more than people who study and are experts in these scientific fields.
"Experts" more like political hacks. Still waiting for the temperature to double.
It's all about taxing everyone even more for every gallon of fossil fuel burned, and Goldman Sachs getting even richer trading "carbon credits".
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22426405 - 10/24/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Yes. CO2 levels regulate global temperatures.
false. it's one of many modifiers
once more, you do not science
It's the main modifier. The temperature on earth is simply a balance between how much energy comes in and how much leaves. CO2 regulates how much leaves.
Thanks to Webster, we can see exactly how strongly CO2 regulates climate.
Again, none of this is controversial science.

and yet c02 and temperatures do not always coincide... why is that exactly?
and yes, it is controversial, if you want to follow some ridiculous notion of a political body then you've proven that, the science has said that man isnt responsible, that this is a natural phenomenon but for some reason you want to ignore NASA and the NOAA, the very same people you like to cite when it suits your needs. you should totally work for the IPCC, you use the same bullshit they do
Are you fucking kidding? You look at that chart and don't see nearly 100% percent correlation? Man you guys are literally unable to see facts.
There is no controversy. The opposition to climate change science is not scientific. It is political. Just because your beliefs are based on your political ideology doesn't mean everyone else's are. It's really pathetic how easily you are swayed by a PR campaign run out of the Cato institute and funded by the fossil fuel industry.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Rebirtha]
#22427577 - 10/24/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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really?
NOAA says it's the 2nd and 4th hottest but it was the coldest september for alaska, https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/201509
the PNW reports much cooler than normal temps for september http://portlandtribune.com/msp/129-news/276122-151249-september-temperatures-cooler-than-usual
it seems much of europe does as well http://notrickszone.com/2015/10/04/september-2015-in-austria-comes-in-cooler-than-normal-snow-in-many-valleys/#sthash.WP4PfK8u.dpbs http://notrickszone.com/2015/10/07/the-swiss-september-mean-almost-1-degree-cooler-than-normal-holland-sees-coolest-in-15-years/#sthash.0PVObxKv.dpbs
canada iven reports snow in september, not something that was common for the dates it started falling http://www.ski.com/blog/september-snow-in-canada/
in fact there was and unseasonal snow in a lot of north america, are we to believe that snow is a sign of high temperatures? http://www.weather.com/storms/winter/news/september-snow-average
and of course it was a pretty cool summer http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/03/british-summer-was-the-coldest-in-three-years
same with in the US http://kchanews.com/2015/09/02/august-goes-out-cooler-wetter-than-normal-september-starts-off-hotter/
it's cooler all over the place and expected to stay cooler in places where warmth is more common http://www.weather.com/forecast/national/news/winter-2015-2016-temperature-forecast-december-january-february
you should give up on this silliness, it was nonsense from the start from a political body founded by the UN and populated with politicians, not scientists
http://www.examiner.com/article/harvard-astrophysicist-dismisses-agw-theory-challenges-peers-to-take-back-climate-science
This so anti-scientific.. The whole point is global average temperature, not in specific places. Some places are actually cooling, some are turning into desert. You think NASA can send a remote control car to Mars and back but it can't read a thermometer?
so wait, som places are cooling yet they're calling it global warming, oh wait, it's now climate change because the warming bullshit didnt pan out when al gore told us we'd be under water by 2007
NASA's thermometer says that humans arent the cause of global warming, it's posted in this thread and a dozen others, no one is saying that global warming isnt happening, it's not happening because of man, it's a natural cycle, as it stands, we're still emerging from an ice age... of course if you want to blame it on man, we should probably also blame the medieval warming period on man and his billions of vehicles on the roads and the millions of factories they had back then when the temperatures were higher than now... or do yu also want to pick and choose the science you believe in your religion just as the christians pick and choose what they believe from the bible
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22428463 - 10/24/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is climate change, it doesn't matter that it's sometimes called global warming. No one is saying that there aren't natural cycles. Humans are accelerating the cycle. It's not at all controversial in the scientific community. It's laughable that you try to use NASA and NOAA data since both organizations acknowledge human acceleration of global climate change.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22428472 - 10/24/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: It is climate change, it doesn't matter that it's sometimes called global warming. No one is saying that there aren't natural cycles. Humans are accelerating the cycle. It's not at all controversial in the scientific community. It's laughable that you try to use NASA and NOAA data since both organizations acknowledge human acceleration of global climate change.
so if a cooling trend suddenly starts, then what, we still call it climatee change so that the almighty libtard god can always be right
now how do you know that humans are accelerating things, please, share that info with us
what's so hard to understand that NASA said "it's a natural cycle"
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22428488 - 10/24/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then the data will be taken into account.
I'm not going to waste my time showing you data that I'm sure you've been shown a million times. Open a scientific journal. They'll have data for you.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22428510 - 10/24/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: what's so hard to understand that NASA said "it's a natural cycle"
http://climate.nasa.gov/ Why don't you go explore this site.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22428599 - 10/24/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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“My technique is don’t believe anything. If you believe in something, you are automatically precluded from believing its opposite.”
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22428716 - 10/24/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: Then the data will be taken into account.
I'm not going to waste my time showing you data that I'm sure you've been shown a million times. Open a scientific journal. They'll have data for you.
the IPCC doesnt take data into account unless it agrees with their agenda, Al Gore's speech is evidence of that, he gleaned through a number of models to find the most alarmist of models saying that the arctic ice cap would be gone by now, keep in mind, these are merely models, alarmists have been saying that the antarctic ice cap is shrinking but the data collected since 1979 says otherwise
AGW is a religion for libtards
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22428828 - 10/24/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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As someone who knows a little about the happenings in Antarctica, I can confirm the ice cap is shrinking.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
#22428836 - 10/24/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the quickie-st way to determine if the ice cap is shrinking is to count how many penguins you can see
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
#22428976 - 10/24/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Arctic W. Fox said: As someone who knows a little about the happenings in Antarctica, I can confirm the ice cap is shrinking.
nasa says you have no idea what you are talking about
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
here's their charting of the antarctic since 1979, it shows it's pretty much unchanged, a little shrinkage a few years and a little growth but mostly unchanged

get on back to your global warming church now, you need to pray for some ice caps to melt
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22429087 - 10/24/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you even read the article you posted? Yes. Antarctic sea ice is up but global sea ice is down because loss in arctic sea ice is much greater in magnitude than antartic sea ice gains. They go on to say it is perfectly in line with global warming trends and a perfect example of global climate being a complex beast. Some places will see cooling more places will see warming.
How small minded are you that you can't even understand the articles you post.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#22429169 - 10/24/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would anyone want to read past the point where they confirm their bias?
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22429182 - 10/24/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Koods and I are just too hot for the earf
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#22429366 - 10/24/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you even read the article you posted? Yes. Antarctic sea ice is up but global sea ice is down because loss in arctic sea ice is much greater in magnitude than antartic sea ice gains. They go on to say it is perfectly in line with global warming trends and a perfect example of global climate being a complex beast. Some places will see cooling more places will see warming.
How small minded are you that you can't even understand the articles you post.
the statements were not about global sea ice, they've been about the ice caps, it's good you went ahead and started yucking it up to show you have no idea what the discussion is... now it's my turn to laugh
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22429440 - 10/24/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No. Just no. The article you posted is about sea ice. Seriously read your article.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22429457 - 10/24/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Why would anyone want to read past the point where they confirm their bias? 
Except it doesn't. The only reason he thinks it proves his illusion is because he has the reading comprehension of an 8 year old child.
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