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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22421982 - 10/23/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Yes. CO2 levels regulate global temperatures.
false. it's one of many modifiers
once more, you do not science
It's the main modifier. The temperature on earth is simply a balance between how much energy comes in and how much leaves. CO2 regulates how much leaves.
Thanks to Webster, we can see exactly how strongly CO2 regulates climate.
Again, none of this is controversial science.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22422005 - 10/23/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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only thing i wonder about with that is how is CO2 affected by tempature? like the pressure of gas changed depending on temp, melting/boiling points, then obviously alot gets trapped in snow which is why they worry about snow/ice melting and releasing a bunch. all of which might affect CO2 readings, to me the way china is going i feel like something is going to happen soon
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
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makaveli8x8 said: and yet their are scientists suggesting polluting the air with certain chemicals/materials to lower tempature and your laughing because u think the temp can't be manipulated?
One theory is one of the ice ages was caused by ash/smoke in the air, and have u seen china lately? dude pollution could easily fuck shit up massively in either direction
Do you have any legitimate evidence to support your argument that human polution can drastically affect the global temperature?
Yes. CO2 levels regulate global temperatures. This is not controversial science. This is settled science. There is a direct causal relationship between CO2 and temperatures. Specifically changing CO2 causes changing temperatures. We have pushed CO2 levels nearly two times higher than have been caused naturally in the past million years. Temps will continue to rise and it is directly out fault.
Methane is a huge problem. That is the climate killer right there.
"CO2 levels regulate global temperature" "Methane is the climate killer"
So confused by your own bullshit you can't even make up your mind. Is methane a huge problem? Or do CO2 levels alone control the global temperature? If the latter was correct why would methane be a problem? 
In the graph, temperature CO2 directly vary. Now tell me, why isn't temperature directly varying with our "lethal" CO2 levels? I live damn close to the equator and the summer heat was far from lethal. It was pretty damn refreshing. Methane is more of a "problem" than CO2 and even methane polution is a relatively miniscule problem for the world when compared with other pressing issues. Being alarmist and untruthful about global warming just seems lame to me. But if you'd like to further continue the act go ahead.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
#22422023 - 10/23/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You look at that graph and think it varies? That is the strongest evidence of a causal relationship you could ever hope to see. You need it to match perfectly for it to be valid?
Methane does not regulate climate. it reacts to climate. It is a positive feedback of CO2 driven climate change.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22422055 - 10/23/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, methane is actually mostly produced from human agricultural practices. The term direct variation means that they fluctuated in sync.... like you're trying to say That however is not evidence of a causal relationship. Perhaps temperature begins to rise, and because of increased agriculture productivity more organisms begin to flourish and the overall net gain in the biosphere is the reason for the increased levels of C02. We could even come to find that increased air polution and more C02 in the atmosphere could skyrocket and the natural cooling of the Earth could bring it right back down despite the C02 levels. You have no way of knowing that's not the case, as well as no one knows whether C02 does "regulate" the global tenperature. Being smug and overstating evidence doesn't make a wacky theory more credible.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22422061 - 10/23/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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think he's jsut talking at the very end where the co2 goes way up but then the temp doesn't follow it that time.
i think that has something to do with the oceans and ice, the temp rose and then the glaciers are melting which compensates. once the glaciers are fully melted were fucked. but right now were like at the tipping point, the glaciers melt, and then it gets cold and they freeze and gain more ice. were like right in the middle before shit hits the fan.
The ocean is our watercooler, right now we still got icecubes keeping it cold, so the temp can only go so high for now
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22422158 - 10/23/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Webster10 said: No, methane is actually mostly produced from human agricultural practices. The term direct variation means that they fluctuated in sync.... like you're trying to say That however is not evidence of a causal relationship. Perhaps temperature begins to rise, and because of increased agriculture productivity more organisms begin to flourish and the overall net gain in the biosphere is the reason for the increased levels of C02. We could even come to find that increased air polution and more C02 in the atmosphere could skyrocket and the natural cooling of the Earth could bring it right back down despite the C02 levels. You have no way of knowing that's not the case, as well as no one knows whether C02 does "regulate" the global tenperature. Being smug and overstating evidence doesn't make a wacky theory more credible.
We know the mechanism of how CO2 traps heat energy. The graph is merely evidence of a scientifically observed fact. Higher temperatures actually increase the rate that CO2 is removed from the atmosphere. Methane is a transient moiety that has the potential to cause runaway warming, but the foundation of the warming is driven by CO2.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods] 2
#22422168 - 10/23/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not being smug. CO2 regulates global climate. What is smug is your belief that you know more than people who study and are experts in these scientific fields.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22423150 - 10/23/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: I'm not being smug. CO2 regulates global climate. What is smug is your belief that you know more than people who study and are experts in these scientific fields.
"Experts" more like political hacks. Still waiting for the temperature to double.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
#22423406 - 10/23/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a specious argument, absolute temperature does not have a one to one correspondence with atmospheric CO2. The vidence shows global temperature averages are rising, which is completely in line with what is expected.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
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koods said: I'm not being smug. CO2 regulates global climate. What is smug is your belief that you know more than people who study and are experts in these scientific fields.
"Experts" more like political hacks. Still waiting for the temperature to double.
*tick tock*
probably not gonna happen.
if anything there'd be a crash of temperature, not a doubling of it. the world isn't going to heat up in the end...in the end it's going to cool right down. longer winters until it's all winter. that is if we really see the rise in temperature proceeding the drop.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#22423733 - 10/23/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said: That's a specious argument, absolute temperature does not have a one to one correspondence with atmospheric CO2. The vidence shows global temperature averages are rising, which is completely in line with what is expected.
I really don't understand why people would expect temperatures to rise immediately. Does a greenhouse immediately get hotter the moment you close the glass ceiling? No. It takes time for the heat to accumulate. The oceans are massive heat sinks. Water has a a huge heat capacity and it takes it a long time to respond to changes in atmospheric heating.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22423784 - 10/23/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the heat melts the Arctic...then all the ice will bombard the Antarctic, and the new ice age will flourish from that point. call it 'the heat crunch".
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22424089 - 10/23/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We can see how CO2 effects temperature by looking at Venus. Despite Mercury being the closest planet to the Sun, Venus is the hottest. Mercury reaches temleratures arouns 427c. Venus's atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide, and its trapping massive amounts of heat. It reaches temperatures around 462c.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: blackwidow187]
#22424118 - 10/23/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I imagine the fact that Venus is roughly 40,000,000km closer to the sun has a bit to do with it.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22424126 - 10/23/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're missing the point. Im not comparing it to earth temperature.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: DieCommie]
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OhMrJohnson said: The end is upon us
And after the ending is a new beginning.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: blackwidow187]
#22424247 - 10/23/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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blackwidow187 said: We can see how CO2 effects temperature by looking at Venus. Despite Mercury being the closest planet to the Sun, Venus is the hottest. Mercury reaches temleratures arouns 427c. Venus's atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide, and its trapping massive amounts of heat. It reaches temperatures around 462c.
Yeah. I hear when the Venusians visit Mercury they always pack their wooly jumpers.
edit. 'kin spellin! goto bed.
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The vodka in my freezer is still cold... so we're good here.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
#22425459 - 10/24/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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really?
NOAA says it's the 2nd and 4th hottest but it was the coldest september for alaska, https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/201509
the PNW reports much cooler than normal temps for september http://portlandtribune.com/msp/129-news/276122-151249-september-temperatures-cooler-than-usual
it seems much of europe does as well http://notrickszone.com/2015/10/04/september-2015-in-austria-comes-in-cooler-than-normal-snow-in-many-valleys/#sthash.WP4PfK8u.dpbs http://notrickszone.com/2015/10/07/the-swiss-september-mean-almost-1-degree-cooler-than-normal-holland-sees-coolest-in-15-years/#sthash.0PVObxKv.dpbs
canada iven reports snow in september, not something that was common for the dates it started falling http://www.ski.com/blog/september-snow-in-canada/
in fact there was and unseasonal snow in a lot of north america, are we to believe that snow is a sign of high temperatures? http://www.weather.com/storms/winter/news/september-snow-average
and of course it was a pretty cool summer http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/03/british-summer-was-the-coldest-in-three-years
same with in the US http://kchanews.com/2015/09/02/august-goes-out-cooler-wetter-than-normal-september-starts-off-hotter/
it's cooler all over the place and expected to stay cooler in places where warmth is more common http://www.weather.com/forecast/national/news/winter-2015-2016-temperature-forecast-december-january-february
you should give up on this silliness, it was nonsense from the start from a political body founded by the UN and populated with politicians, not scientists
http://www.examiner.com/article/harvard-astrophysicist-dismisses-agw-theory-challenges-peers-to-take-back-climate-science
This so anti-scientific.. The whole point is global average temperature, not in specific places. Some places are actually cooling, some are turning into desert. You think NASA can send a remote control car to Mars and back but it can't read a thermometer?
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