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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22416495 - 10/22/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, snow is a by-product of global warming. As the glaciers / polar ice caps melt, ocean currents bring that water to various places throughout the world. That causes the harsher winters in some areas.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
#22416583 - 10/22/15 03:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: you guys can keep being suckers
- Prisoner#1: Complains about info from Wikipedia...
- Prisoner#1: *posts links from Wikipedia*
- Prisoner#1: Claims global warming is not real...
- Prisoner#1: *posts links showing global warming is real*
- Prisoner#1: Claims there's no difference between regular milk and organic...
- Prisoner#1: Claims to know the difference between regular and organic milk.
LOL, dude! Stop messing with our heads, Brah!
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NotTheDevil
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22416955 - 10/22/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You want to know the simple logic based explanation for why global warming makes sense?
Fossil fuels represent carbon, that ultimately, was once a part of the Earth's biosphere but exited the biosphere through the carbon cycle. Before plants developed, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere was really high and the oxygen concentration was very low. After plants developed they began to accumulate the carbon they need to live from the carbon dioxide in the air by using energy they obtained from sunlight to absorb the carbon and in doing so released oxygen. But the energy the plant used to do this doesn't simply disappear, it is stored within the plant. Thanks to the plants and other photosynthesisers, the carbon that was once in the atmosphere entered the biosphere, Now, most life exists in the oceans and it so happens, that after their death, many organisms sink. Once they sink the carbon and energy in their bodies has a chance of getting deposited somewhere and then covered by something, this will eventually cause oil or other fossil fuels to form. This is not the only way CO2 is stored in the ocean, as plain CO2 that makes it to the bottom of the ocean can also solidify in certain areas and conditions. In similar ways to how they form in the ocean, fossil fuels form on the land when a carbon source (biomass) gets buried under something and pressure and time break and reform the carbons molecular bonds.
Now we should discuss the greenhouse effect before moving on. All of the gasses in the atmosphere absorb some of the energy from the sunlight that passes through them. They also make it harder for light to bounce back into space, and the light that doesn't escape is absorbed by something or another producing heat. In addition, certain "greenhouse" gasses block infra-red light meaning that the more greenhouse gases are present in the atmosphere, the less the Earth can lose heat via radiative heat loss. By far the most important greenhouse gas which traps the most heat is water, but since we have so much of it here on earth that rises in global temperature start with the other greenhouse gases. The Earth's cooling cycles occur as greenhouse gasses are sequestered, when some cosmic effect reduces the light that makes it to Earth, and when there are things in the upper atmosphere (ash, clouds) to reflect light away from the planet. When the concentration of greenhouse gasses rises during one of the Earth's cooler cycles; when there isn't as much water vapor in the air as during a hot period, a hot cycle can start as a minor greenhouse gas increases in concentration and thusly warms the Earth enough that more water vapor enters the air. This is a self feeding cycle at this point, the more CO2 in the air, the more heat is trapped, the more heat is trapped, the more water evaporates, the more water evaporates, the more heat is trapped. And, as the oceans heat up, eventually solid CO2 that was sequestered in the depths vaporises and enters the atmosphere further increasing heat.
Now what is "global warming" as we are discussing it? It is an increase in Earth's overall average temperature from that of our current overall average temperature. Now, is that happening? A resounding "yes" from all scientific sources. Now, is that something humans caused? Yes. Yes because in our current era, we have taken vast amounts of sequestered carbon and put it back into the atmosphere via chemical reactions (burning) that we perform on them to use the energy they have sequestered, ultimately, from the sun. In doing so we increase the concentration of a greenhouse gas in the Earth's atmosphere and release all of the energy they have stored in the form of heat, which remember escapes the atmosphere less and less easily when there are more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. In doing this, unless the energy that reaches Earth from the sun decreases, the energy (Heat!) that the planet holds must increase.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: NotTheDevil]
#22416961 - 10/22/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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people who worry about global warming are neurotic idiots
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NotTheDevil
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#22416967 - 10/22/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: people who worry about global warming are neurotic idiots people with half a brain who actually care about their descendants
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koods
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#22416977 - 10/22/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some of the positive feedbacks of warming are really scary, where we could see a runaway warming far beyond the CO2 induced warning. Albedo decreases as the globe warms as highly reflective snow is replaced by heat absorbing dirt. Methane locked up in melting permafrost and hydrates begins to escape into the atmosphere. Both of these situations could cause runaway heating, although the methane situation is much more serious.
The are only weak negative feedback loops that mitigate warming, such as increased cloud cover.
Yes, the earth has warming and cooling cycles. The difference is the temperature changes we are Causing in a decade or two would naturally take thousands of years to take place.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#22416978 - 10/22/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: people who worry about global warming live at sea level
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: NotTheDevil]
#22416980 - 10/22/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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397.64 Atmospheric CO2 for September 2015
naw, you have neurotic control complexes that makes you think you can interfere with the course of nature. sit back and relax, the planet has been through much worse, as have human beings.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22416982 - 10/22/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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NotTheDevil
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22416997 - 10/22/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Some of the positive feedbacks of warming are really scary, where we could see a runaway warming far beyond the CO2 induced warning. Albedo decreases as the globe warms as highly reflective snow is replaced by heat absorbing dirt. Methane locked up in melting permafrost and hydrates begins to escape into the atmosphere. Both of these situations could cause runaway heating, although the methane situation is much more serious.
The are only weak negative feedback loops that mitigate warming, such as increased cloud cover.
Yes, the earth has warming and cooling cycles. The difference is the temperature changes we are Causing in a decade or two would naturally take thousands of years to take place.
Yes! When I said the thing about the solid CO2 I was mixing up the permafrost with A proposed CO2 sequestering method. The CO2 thing does happen, but it's not nearly this significant. Sequestered methane exists all over the world and it's release would result in runaway warming even if CO2 were to drop significantly. This is one of the things that causes the transition from a cool era to a warm era. I didn't mention the reflectiveness of the lost snow. I thought of it, but the post was already a monster and I didn't want to add any lines to it.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#22416999 - 10/22/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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397.64 Atmospheric CO2 for September 2015
naw, you have neurotic control complexes that makes you think you can interfere with the course of nature. sit back and relax, the planet has been through much worse, as have human beings.
Nope. The last time CO2 levels were this high, humans did not exist. IN 100 years we have reached double the amount of CO2 ever seen in the past one Million years
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NotTheDevil
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#22417003 - 10/22/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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397.64 Atmospheric CO2 for September 2015
naw, you have neurotic control complexes that makes you think that living things can affect their environment. sit back and relax, the planet has been through much worse, as have human beings.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22417025 - 10/22/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I live in Florida. So, why are you ignoring my graph? Afraid to take a look at history?
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22417037 - 10/22/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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397.64 Atmospheric CO2 for September 2015
naw, you have neurotic control complexes that makes you think you can interfere with the course of nature. sit back and relax, the planet has been through much worse, as have human beings.
Nope. The last time CO2 levels were this high, humans did not exist. IN 100 years we have reached double the amount of CO2 ever seen in the past one Million years

and?
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22417070 - 10/22/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm going to step in here and correct your math: 500/4.5 billion is .000011%
Thanks for the help.
There is .000011% of earths temperatures recorded. That's enough to deduce climate change.
About ice cores. Ice cores dont tell you temperature, it can give you data to form a ballpark guess, certainly not concrete.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10] 1
#22417409 - 10/22/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I live in Florida. So, why are you ignoring my graph? Afraid to take a look at history?
I looked at the paper that the graph you posted cites on climate4you. The paper examined isotopic composition data in Antarctic ice and concluded that the unique increase of greenhouse gases in modern times is causing global warming. So your random graph doesn't change anything.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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397.64 Atmospheric CO2 for September 2015
naw, you have neurotic control complexes that makes you think you can interfere with the course of nature. sit back and relax, the planet has been through much worse, as have human beings.
Nope. The last time CO2 levels were this high, humans did not exist. IN 100 years we have reached double the amount of CO2 ever seen in the past one Million years

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You think I'm neurotic for believing that humans can interfere with the course of nature. The graph demonstrates exactly how much we actually have.
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Mad_Larkin

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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22417707 - 10/22/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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humans are part of nature, dummy
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22417724 - 10/22/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I resemble that remark....but, so far, anyway I have not seen a rise in the Chesapeake Bay levels (VIA my bulkhead) in the last 18 yrs. Other that occasional above normal high tides or storm surge.
What is happening is the earth's water is warming...just a couple of degrees can cause crazy circumstances.
I can tell you this....the river I live on is fairly shallow...3-8 feet and warms rapidly in the Summer. A couple of years ago when we had that week of straight 105 deg. days. The water temp (2 feet down) was 89 degrees. The crab population crashed that year in the upper bay and is just now recovering.This is just stuff I notice...I keep crab pots off my pier and know several watermen that crab for a living.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: MoldyArt]
#22417988 - 10/22/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MoldyArt said: global warming doesn't exist. just a bunch of hippie nonsense.
Yup -- all those "scientists" -- merely "hippies". There is no such thing as a scientist. Einstein, Newton, Galileo.
Look at Einstein's hair!
Cellphones, computers -- all hippie nonsense inventions! Everyone knows that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were hippies. To protest, everyone should stop using computers!
And the discovery of DNA -- that wacko Crick was ingesting LSD and that's how he "discovered" DNA. Genome shenome!
No such thing as evolution of course. Walt Disney just waved the magic wand and everything appeared. Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell -- they're the real scientists.
Carl Sagan smoked Marijuana; Kary Mullis - LSD; Richard Feynman - LSD, Ralph Abraham - LSD, Jay Gould - Marijuana.
The dinosaurs were the real rock stars. Uh, wait a minute -- what if they ingested Entheogens back then too?
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