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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
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Prisoner#1 said: lol... they've been lobbying since the 70s, it was then called the "UN Environment Programme". UNEP was established in 1972 by Maurice Strong, the same man that started the IPCC and was a billionaire oil man, now why would this billionaire ol man be so interested in eliminating all these fossil fuels? could it be because it served his $$$ interests
The IPCC was established by that group and another group when Strong wasn't even the head of the UNEP. Maybe he was interested in forming an agency dedicated to the environment because he was concerned with the environment. Is that so hard to imagine? You sound like the liberals you are always criticizing saying that one billionaire is involved in some giant conspiracy. Except yours doesn't make any sense because how would a billionaire oil man starting an agency dedicated to helping the environment help make himself more money?
I dunno, why would drug dealers to turn in other drug dealers to the cops, surely it wouldnt help their own business if their competition was regulated out of existence
at what point does a man leaving a position with one organization remove his influence and bar him from starting another, you seem to believe this to be how things work
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no, I simply dont gobble up what some political group slaps on their web page as the 'official truth' so I read more, not simply what I choose to agree with
When did I post anything from the IPCC? I posted a page from NOAA. I don't just follow what some political group says, I follow what the science says. The science says that CO2 levels are rising. The science says that carbon isotope ratios are changing because of fossil fuel emissions. The science says myriad things that support human accelerated climate change
and you again dont see that political groups are the ones that ensure funding for these other bodies, everyone says we need to remove money from politics but no one seems to understand that politics is where these groups et a large portion of their funding, remember hearing the phrase 'government funded study'? where do you think the NOAA gets their funding, isnt the obama administration all about changing policy regarding global warming, enough so that they're funding these scientific organizations, it's pretty well known that obama's policies would create more taxes on the 'dirty carbon emitting' energy sources which would be more money for government to provide them at greater cost to the consumer
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here's a little light reading for you on the IPCC
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Procedural Problems
Why are you obsessed with the IPCC? I didn't even mention them, you are the one who brought them up as if they are the head of a global conspiracy.
didnt you know or have I failed to mention it, the IPCC is a political body who's goal is to drive policy on climate change, who do all these research institutes get their funding from, who are they providing their data too? why is the data that contradicts the IPCC being ignored?
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The IAC, the group talked about in your post, clearly agrees that climate change is a problem. Just because they criticize the methods of the IPCC doesn't mean they are on your side. Furthermore, if you look at the report posted in that link, it says that the review was funded by the UNEP and WMO, the two groups that started the IPCC, as well as by the governments of several nations. Now why would the two groups who started the IPCC pay for a separate group to review the practices of the IPCC? Especially when they came back with negative opinions.
once again, no one is stating that global warming isnt a legetimate event, what's being called into question is the policies of the group that's pushing is as an anthropocentric issue
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False Consensus
What is the source of these quotes? It's obviously from some climate change denying site.
I'm sorry, did you need more?
let's look at that scientific consensus, the one claiming that 97% of scientists agree on anthropogenic surces of climate change. this claim originated from the Zimmerman/Doran survey, yes, a survey, they sent out 10,257 invitations to publishing earth scientist and asked 2 simple questions
those questions and the responses are:
Q1: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?” 76 of 79 (96.2%) answered “risen.”
Q2: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?” 75 of 77 (97.4%) answered “yes.”
so wait, if 10,000 surveys were sent out to publishing climate scientists, how exactly did they come to the number that 76 scientists are 94% and 75 scientists are 97%? well let's look at that for a moment. it seems that of the 10,000 surveys sent out, only a 30.7% response rate in any way leaving 69.3% ignoring it completely, they then cherry picked through the numbers to eliminate anyone they didnt feel was appropriate to recieve the answers from in fields such as paleontology, geology, geochemistry, hydrology and oceanography, many of the major earth sciences which is where much of the data being used by the IPCC, NASA and other climate reporting agencies are drawing their information, I mean wouldnt the NOAA be getting theirs from oceanographers? why would this 'unbiased survey' eliminate them and only draw on the approved group of 'climate scientists believing in anthropogenic climage change having published a paper on climate change that was peer reviewed within the last 5 years'
somehow, 79 people is 97% of 10,000 or 97% of 3000, you really have to love the global warming math because this is how these consensuses are reached, it's how all that work seems to be done. ignore everything but what you want to believe
at what point are we supposed to call these people into question?
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
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koods said: Pris has totally misrepresented the IAC assessment .their goal is to make then IPCC less vulnerable k right wing attacks . They are not questioning the science
arent you the guy that posted a thread claiming a single slightly warmer month in a few areas is proof that man made climate change is real? dont we keep hearing that global warming causes it to be cooler? I mean really?
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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and you again dont see that political groups are the ones that ensure funding for these other bodie
The ENTRIE global warming denial movement is funded by the oil and gas companies.
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hTx said: We are in the midst of another mass extinction, likely directly caused by our actions.
Not in a bang, but a wimper...
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
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and you again dont see that political groups are the ones that ensure funding for these other bodie
The ENTRIE global warming denial movement is funded by the oil and gas companies. 
hahaha... let me guess, the Koch borthers are rigging the elections too
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
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koods said: Its pretty fucking arrogant for kid two or three years out of high school to smugly question the work of people who have studied these issues in a scientific manner for decades. This is science not politics. Good I hope you aren't studying a scientific field, because you are incapable of looking at data without being tainted by your political beliefs.
I hope you're not studying English. 
You said C02 regulates the temperature. Now tell me why, in some areas of the graph, does the "regulator" drop but temperature continues its rising trend? Correlation is a well accepted fact, a causal relationship is something that you wish had been proven but in fact hasn't ever been.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
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koods why the santa hats already?? Halloween hasn't even passed yet... it makes me sad you don't have 2 pumpkin head switches.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: I dunno, why would drug dealers to turn in other drug dealers to the cops, surely it wouldnt help their own business if their competition was regulated out of existence
Terrible analogy. A drug dealer turning himself into the cops doesn't hurt himself. If the dude started the groups in order to push regulations on his competitors, he would be regulated himself. Your conspiracy theory is asinine.
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at what point does a man leaving a position with one organization remove his influence and bar him from starting another, you seem to believe this to be how things work
He started the UNEP and ran it for a while. Then like a decade later the UNEP and another UN organization started the IPCC. What evidence do you have that he had anything to do with it?
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and you again dont see that political groups are the ones that ensure funding for these other bodies, everyone says we need to remove money from politics but no one seems to understand that politics is where these groups et a large portion of their funding, remember hearing the phrase 'government funded study'? where do you think the NOAA gets their funding, isnt the obama administration all about changing policy regarding global warming, enough so that they're funding these scientific organizations, it's pretty well known that obama's policies would create more taxes on the 'dirty carbon emitting' energy sources which would be more money for government to provide them at greater cost to the consumer
The IPCC is a UN thing. You are aware that the UN isn't the US right? Where are you getting the information that the IPCC provides funding for anything? Or are you suggesting that the IPCC is the puppetmaster pulling the funding strings of the US government agencies? That's ridiculous.
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didnt you know or have I failed to mention it, the IPCC is a political body who's goal is to drive policy on climate change, who do all these research institutes get their funding from, who are they providing their data too? why is the data that contradicts the IPCC being ignored?
No one gets their funding from the IPCC. Being ignored by whom? There are other organizations in existence besides the IPCC. I don't think you understand how science works.
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once again, no one is stating that global warming isnt a legetimate event, what's being called into question is the policies of the group that's pushing is as an anthropocentric issue
No, you were calling into question whether humans affect global warming.
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I'm sorry, did you need more?
let's look at that scientific consensus, the one claiming that 97% of scientists agree on anthropogenic surces of climate change. this claim originated from the Zimmerman/Doran survey, yes, a survey, they sent out 10,257 invitations to publishing earth scientist and asked 2 simple questions
those questions and the responses are:
Q1: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?” 76 of 79 (96.2%) answered “risen.”
Q2: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?” 75 of 77 (97.4%) answered “yes.”
so wait, if 10,000 surveys were sent out to publishing climate scientists, how exactly did they come to the number that 76 scientists are 94% and 75 scientists are 97%? well let's look at that for a moment. it seems that of the 10,000 surveys sent out, only a 30.7% response rate in any way leaving 69.3% ignoring it completely, they then cherry picked through the numbers to eliminate anyone they didnt feel was appropriate to recieve the answers from in fields such as paleontology, geology, geochemistry, hydrology and oceanography, many of the major earth sciences which is where much of the data being used by the IPCC, NASA and other climate reporting agencies are drawing their information, I mean wouldnt the NOAA be getting theirs from oceanographers? why would this 'unbiased survey' eliminate them and only draw on the approved group of 'climate scientists believing in anthropogenic climage change having published a paper on climate change that was peer reviewed within the last 5 years'
somehow, 79 people is 97% of 10,000 or 97% of 3000, you really have to love the global warming math because this is how these consensuses are reached, it's how all that work seems to be done. ignore everything but what you want to believe
at what point are we supposed to call these people into question?
Who gives a shit about some survey and the exact percentage of scientists who agree that humans affect global warming. The fact is that the science supports the claim.
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and you again dont see that political groups are the ones that ensure funding for these other bodie
The ENTRIE global warming denial movement is funded by the oil and gas companies. 
hahaha... let me guess, the Koch borthers are rigging the elections too
It's so ridiculous that you think one billionaire oil man started two different UN organizations in order to set down regulations on his competitors, but you think its laughable that the oil industry as a whole tries to push global warming denial. Where does the interest for these companies really lie? If you keep up with this insane theory of yours, you're essentially on the level of a 9/11 truther.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
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really?
NOAA says it's the 2nd and 4th hottest but it was the coldest september for alaska, https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/201509
the PNW reports much cooler than normal temps for september http://portlandtribune.com/msp/129-news/276122-151249-september-temperatures-cooler-than-usual
it seems much of europe does as well http://notrickszone.com/2015/10/04/september-2015-in-austria-comes-in-cooler-than-normal-snow-in-many-valleys/#sthash.WP4PfK8u.dpbs http://notrickszone.com/2015/10/07/the-swiss-september-mean-almost-1-degree-cooler-than-normal-holland-sees-coolest-in-15-years/#sthash.0PVObxKv.dpbs
canada iven reports snow in september, not something that was common for the dates it started falling http://www.ski.com/blog/september-snow-in-canada/
in fact there was and unseasonal snow in a lot of north america, are we to believe that snow is a sign of high temperatures? http://www.weather.com/storms/winter/news/september-snow-average
and of course it was a pretty cool summer http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/03/british-summer-was-the-coldest-in-three-years
same with in the US http://kchanews.com/2015/09/02/august-goes-out-cooler-wetter-than-normal-september-starts-off-hotter/
it's cooler all over the place and expected to stay cooler in places where warmth is more common http://www.weather.com/forecast/national/news/winter-2015-2016-temperature-forecast-december-january-february
you should give up on this silliness, it was nonsense from the start from a political body founded by the UN and populated with politicians, not scientists
http://www.examiner.com/article/harvard-astrophysicist-dismisses-agw-theory-challenges-peers-to-take-back-climate-science
This so anti-scientific.. The whole point is global average temperature, not in specific places. Some places are actually cooling, some are turning into desert. You think NASA can send a remote control car to Mars and back but it can't read a thermometer?
so wait, som places are cooling yet they're calling it global warming, oh wait, it's now climate change because the warming bullshit didnt pan out when al gore told us we'd be under water by 2007
NASA's thermometer says that humans arent the cause of global warming, it's posted in this thread and a dozen others, no one is saying that global warming isnt happening, it's not happening because of man, it's a natural cycle, as it stands, we're still emerging from an ice age... of course if you want to blame it on man, we should probably also blame the medieval warming period on man and his billions of vehicles on the roads and the millions of factories they had back then when the temperatures were higher than now... or do yu also want to pick and choose the science you believe in your religion just as the christians pick and choose what they believe from the bible
If you know the earth is warming why did you post all those links? I don't get it.
An no, NASA says its anthropogenic. http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/ but that is a UN conspiracy? Now you are sounding like a 9/11 truther.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Rebirtha]
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let's all throw shit at him and call it a day.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
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Prisoner#1 said: I dunno, why would drug dealers to turn in other drug dealers to the cops, surely it wouldnt help their own business if their competition was regulated out of existence
Terrible analogy. A drug dealer turning himself into the cops doesn't hurt himself. If the dude started the groups in order to push regulations on his competitors, he would be regulated himself. Your conspiracy theory is asinine.
who said a drug dealer turning himself in... reading comprehension is fundamental
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The IPCC is a UN thing. You are aware that the UN isn't the US right? Where are you getting the information that the IPCC provides funding for anything? Or are you suggesting that the IPCC is the puppetmaster pulling the funding strings of the US government agencies? That's ridiculous.
you understand that half of the UN budget comes from the US right, maybe the right thing to do was to cut funding to the UN/NATO and the IPCC as was a plan a few years ago
have i again failed to mention for a hundredth time, the IPCC is a political body, they drive policy, governments give them money from the public fund, the IPCC then tells them what to do to get more tax revenue by passing crazy new laws, if the researchers providing data do not play ball then the IPCC pressures those governments to cut research funding... this is how the policis of the system works, it's how it always has worked and will always work as long as government grants go toward science, it's known as funds driving research
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No one gets their funding from the IPCC. Being ignored by whom? There are other organizations in existence besides the IPCC. I don't think you understand how science works.
I know these are all difficult concepts for you to comprehend but try reading and contemplating the information. maybe the IPCC and all of these research outfits, universities and the like should be putting up kickstarter pages
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Rebirtha]
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Rebirtha said: If you know the earth is warming why did you post all those links? I don't get it.
maybe you should read my first post in this thread
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An no, NASA says its anthropogenic. http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/ but that is a UN conspiracy? Now you are sounding like a 9/11 truther.
no, nassa says that the IPCC says that it's caused by man
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The role of human activity
In its Fourth Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of 1,300 independent scientific experts from countries all over the world under the auspices of the United Nations, concluded there's a more than 90 percent probability that human activities over the past 250 years have warmed our planet.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22434228 - 10/25/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pris thinks that policy makers encourage science that will serve a partisan viewpoint. He thinks this because that is what the right does when it comes to climate change. He assumes policy drives science because that is how climate change denial operates. He doesn't understand that this is not how science actually works.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22434237 - 10/25/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pris is his own polity.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: akira_akuma]
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Don't feed into this pig shit. 12 pages... horse shit.. dog shit.. bat shit..
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: who said a drug dealer turning himself in... reading comprehension is fundamental
Obviously I meant turning other drug dealers in as I was responding to your terrible analogy. How convenient that my mistyping allowed you to completely ignore my point.
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you understand that half of the UN budget comes from the US right, maybe the right thing to do was to cut funding to the UN/NATO and the IPCC as was a plan a few years ago
have i again failed to mention for a hundredth time, the IPCC is a political body, they drive policy, governments give them money from the public fund, the IPCC then tells them what to do to get more tax revenue by passing crazy new laws, if the researchers providing data do not play ball then the IPCC pressures those governments to cut research funding... this is how the policis of the system works, it's how it always has worked and will always work as long as government grants go toward science, it's known as funds driving research
No, that's not how it works. Your theory doesn't even make any sense. So governments give the IPCC money. Those governments then in turn take orders from the IPCC. All to get more tax revenue by passing environmental regulations? That's ridiculous. There are much easier ways they could generate tax revenue that don't involve conspiracies.
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I know these are all difficult concepts for you to comprehend but try reading and contemplating the information. maybe the IPCC and all of these research outfits, universities and the like should be putting up kickstarter pages
Why don't you try reading a scientific journal instead of fucking retarded ass websites. Maybe we should continue funding science because it is in the best interest of humanity.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
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koods said: Pris thinks that policy makers encourage science that will serve a partisan viewpoint. He thinks this because that is what the right does when it comes to climate change. He assumes policy drives science because that is how climate change denial operates. He doesn't understand that this is not how science actually works.
marijuana causes cancer marijuana causes brain damage
remember these?
that's policy driven science... unless you want to dispute that and claim it's real science, it did come from peer reviewed studies
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
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koods said: Pris thinks that policy makers encourage science that will serve a partisan viewpoint. He thinks this because that is what the right does when it comes to climate change. He assumes policy drives science because that is how climate change denial operates. He doesn't understand that this is not how science actually works.
marijuana causes cancer marijuana causes brain damage
remember these?
that's policy driven science... unless you want to dispute that and claim it's real science, it did come from peer reviewed studies
Tell us what your thoughts are on regular milk versus organic milk. Everyone knows that organic milk tastes better than the regular.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
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In the graph that I posted, why, in some areas, do C02 levels drop but temperature maintains its upward trend?
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
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What graph?
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