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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22431420 - 10/25/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No we know CO2 causes heat to be trapped by the atmosphere. This is a precise measurable property of CO2. More CO2 causes more heat to be trapped. This is settled science without any reasonable detractors. A direct causal relationship between CO2 levels and heat absorption. The graph just provide concrete supporting evidence. this property of CO2 works on a global scale. Again, settled science that isn't going to overturned ever, epecially by an obnoxious liberal arts major.


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
    #22431554 - 10/25/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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As someone who knows a little about the happenings in Antarctica, I can confirm the ice cap is shrinking.





nasa says you have no idea what you are talking about

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

here's their charting of the antarctic since 1979, it shows it's pretty
much unchanged, a little shrinkage a few years and a little growth but
mostly unchanged




get on back to your global warming church now, you need to pray for some ice caps to melt




Here's how we know the ice is melting, bedside looking at the obvious images of less ice


Sea levels were actually decreasing slightly over the past 1500 years, then as humans started artificially increasing CO2 levels at the dawn of the Industrial Age, that changed and now the are increasing at an accelerating rate. There are only two ways sea levels rise: melting ice and thermal expansion from warming waters.





what about all the 'fossil water' being pumped into the oceans as was pointed out
in other threads, what about all that water that california used to have, where
did it go? you think maybe nestle stole all of it?


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
    #22431560 - 10/25/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No we know CO2 causes heat to be trapped by the atmosphere. This is a precise measurable property of CO2. More CO2 causes more heat to be trapped. This is settled science without any reasonable detractors. A direct causal relationship between CO2 levels and heat absorption. The graph just provide concrete supporting evidence. this property of CO2 works on a global scale. Again, settled science that isn't going to overturned ever, epecially by an obnoxious liberal arts major.





rising co2 levels are our attempts at a green initiative

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21829204-400-carbon-emissions-helping-to-make-earth-greener/


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
    #22431700 - 10/25/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Its pretty fucking arrogant for kid two or three years out of high school to smugly question the work of people who have studied these issues in a scientific manner for decades. This is science not politics. Good I hope you aren't studying a scientific field, because you are incapable of looking at data without being tainted by your political beliefs.



I hope you're not studying English. :facepalm:

You said C02 regulates the temperature. Now tell me why, in some areas of the graph, does the "regulator" drop but temperature continues its rising trend? Correlation is a well accepted fact, a causal relationship is something that you wish had been proven but in fact hasn't ever been.







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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
    #22431956 - 10/25/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No we know CO2 causes heat to be trapped by the atmosphere. This is a precise measurable property of CO2. More CO2 causes more heat to be trapped. This is settled science without any reasonable detractors. A direct causal relationship between CO2 levels and heat absorption. The graph just provide concrete supporting evidence. this property of CO2 works on a global scale. Again, settled science that isn't going to overturned ever, epecially by an obnoxious liberal arts major.




I was replying to Webster. He was asking about temps going down when CO2 was going up, and I said that CO2 isn't the only thing that affects global temps. I don't know if your post was supposed to be directed at me.


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22431982 - 10/25/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Here, now, at 6:30 in the morning, the outside temperature is 51°F below zero (just starting Spring now).

Many years ago this whole area was a tropical paradise.

Look back far enough (over 100 million years), and you'll see a repeating cycle of hot and cold. Look back far enough and you can see the tectonic plates move just by watching the temperatures.

This would show this to be a naturally occurring weather cycle.

BUT... look at the most recent data more closely and you'll see a huge temperature and CO2 spike within the last 200 years.

This is a man-made temperature increase since the industrial age. We should be on a downward temperature trend right now, but it now continues to spike upward.

The Earth's weather wants to continue its natural hot/cold cycle, but humans have interrupted this pattern.



One of the mass extinction events was caused by a massive natural release of CO2 from a huge collection of ancient trees that, after millions of years, finally began decomposing in mass quantities.

We are in the midst of another mass extinction, likely directly caused by our actions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/22/the-earth-is-on-the-brink-of-a-sixth-mass-extinction-scientists-say-and-its-humans-fault/


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22432029 - 10/25/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:spank: Bad humans.  You shall suffer for your crimes against nature.


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22432049 - 10/25/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:spank: Bad humans.  You shall suffer for your crimes against nature.



unless we begin to learn how to control the weather, might ultimately save us if possible.


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: hTx]
    #22432076 - 10/25/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We are in the midst of another mass extinction, likely directly caused by our actions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/22/the-earth-is-on-the-brink-of-a-sixth-mass-extinction-scientists-say-and-its-humans-fault/





well maybe you should show the actual evidence that people are the cause


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22432108 - 10/25/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Carbon isotopic ratios in the atmosphere are changing because of human CO2 emissions.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/outreach/isotopes/mixing.html


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22432127 - 10/25/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Carbon isotopic ratios in the atmosphere are changing because of human CO2 emissions.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/outreach/isotopes/mixing.html





yes, it's a great read for Dr.Seuss fans


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22432135 - 10/25/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm, blowing off evidence with ridiculous jokes. How surprising.


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22432141 - 10/25/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

they drew the conclusion before the evidence just as the IPCC is telling them to do

http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/05/whats-behind-the-good-news-declines-in-u-s-co2-emissions/


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22432210 - 10/25/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What does that link have to do with the Seuss effect? Also an underlying assumption of that entire article is that CO2 emissions are not a good thing. I wonder why that is.

Also what is with the conspiracy theory non-sense? Why would basically the entire scientific community agree that something is happening just because a government agency told them to? That's ridiculous. You're like a creationist denying evolution at this point.


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #22432250 - 10/25/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

back in the 70s the IPCC was established specifically to push an anthropogenic
global warming agenda, it's never deviated from that regardless of what is
actually been shown with the collection of studies done, they glean through
tens of thousands of papers seeking only those that support their agenda,
their entire goal is to effect policy, they're a political body made of of
politicians, they arent scientists and as politicians they can and often do
cut funding for those that dont produce results they want

the IPCC uses models and alters the inputs to affect the outcome, it's been
well established for quite some time and when the models dont hold to the
reality they release new models and new statements giving the same alarmist
bullshit. as I've said before, global warming alarmism is a religion


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22432308 - 10/25/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The IPCC was established in 1988. You're just talking out of your ass with all that shit. Also you didn't answer my question as to what that link you posted has to do with the Seuss effect.


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #22432374 - 10/25/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The IPCC was established in 1988.




lol... they've been lobbying since the 70s, it was then called the "UN
Environment Programme". UNEP was established in 1972 by Maurice Strong,
the same man that started the IPCC and was a billionaire oil man, now
why would this billionaire ol man be so interested in eliminating all
these fossil fuels? could it be because it served his $$$ interests

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You're just talking out of your ass with all that shit. Also you didn't answer my question as to what that link you posted has to do with the Seuss effect.





no, I simply dont gobble up what some political group slaps on their web page as
the 'official truth' so I read more, not simply what I choose to agree with


here's a little light reading for you on the IPCC

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Procedural Problems

In 2010 the Amsterdam-based InterAcademy Council (IAC), a scientific body composed of the heads of national science academies around the world, revealed crippling flaws in the IPCC’s peer-review process and other procedural problems – long pointed out by global warming skeptics but ignored by the mainstream media – that seriously undermined the IPCC’s credibility.<1> Two years later, the IPCC itself officially recognized the truth of the critique and promised to reform itself.<2>

The IAC reported that IPCC lead authors fail to give “due consideration … to properly documented alternative views” (p. 20), fail to “provide detailed written responses to the most significant review issues identified by the Review Editors” (p. 21), and fail to “consider review comments carefully and document their responses” (p. 22). In plain English: the IPCC reports are not peer reviewed.

The IAC found “the IPCC has no formal process or criteria for selecting authors” and “the selection criteria seemed arbitrary to many respondents” (p. 18). Government officials appoint scientists from their countries and “do not always nominate the best scientists from among those who volunteer, either because they do not know who these scientists are or because political considerations are given more weight than scientific qualifications” (p. 18). In other words: authors are selected by politicians from a “club” of scientists and non-scientists who agree with the alarmist perspective.

The rewriting of the Summary for Policy Makers by politicians and environmental activists – a problem called out by global warming realists for many years, but with little apparent notice by the media or policymakers – is plainly admitted, perhaps for the first time by an organization in the “mainstream” of alarmist climate change thinking. “[M]any were concerned that reinterpretations of the assessment’s findings, suggested in the final Plenary, might be politically motivated,” the auditors wrote. The scientists they interviewed commonly found the Synthesis Report “too political” (p. 25). In other words, the Summary for Policymakers and the Synthesis Report are political documents, not scientific reports.

Finally, the IAC noted, “the lack of a conflict of interest and disclosure policy for IPCC leaders and Lead Authors was a concern raised by a number of individuals who were interviewed by the Committee or provided written input” as well as “the practice of scientists responsible for writing IPCC assessments reviewing their own work. The Committee did not investigate the basis of these claims, which is beyond the mandate of this review” (p. 46).

Too bad, because these are both big issues in light of recent revelations that a majority of the authors and contributors to some chapters of the IPCC reports are environmental activists, not scientists at all. That’s a structural problem with the IPCC that could dwarf the big problems already reported.

Despite its pledge to reform itself, the Fifth Assessment Report reveals that the IPCC is still operating in defiance of the IAC’s recommendations. A widely circulated draft of the Summary for Policymakers prior to the all-night sessions in Stockholm held in late September show that politicians and bureaucrats made extensive changes that removed admissions of uncertainty and attempted to hide key walk-backs of past findings. And once again, the full report is being edited (as this was written in early October 2013) “for consistency with the approved SPM.” This is not how truly scientific reports are produced.




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False Consensus

While often said to represent the views of  nearly all climate scientists, the IPCC reports actually reflect the views of a small and unrepresentative minority of that community. Here is how we know this is true, and why claims to the contrary don’t hold up under scrutiny.

First, the history and organization of the IPCC virtually guarantee that it expresses only those views that its founders and government members support. It is a political organization, not a scientific body. It was created to advance an agenda: finding a human impact on climate in order to justify giving the UN the power to imposes taxes on businesses in the developed world. Its organization gives politicians and bureaucrats the authority to choose which scientists can participate and what ideas and evidence are allowed to appear in its publications.

Second, the IPCC’s procedures ensure that its reports do not reflect the views of most climate scientists. The Summaries for Policymakers are extensively revised and rewritten after scientists themselves have written and approved the summaries. These summaries systematically exclude expressions of scientific uncertainty that appear in the full reports and exaggerate the possibility of dangerous climate change. Then the full reports, including the latest Fifth Assessment Report, are revised after peer review has been completed to make the full reports conform to the Summaries for Policymakers.

Third, surveys that supposedly show a consensus in favor of the hypothesis of man-made dangerous global warming invariably ask meaningless questions, such as “is climate change real?” that any skeptic would answer “yes” to. See here and here. A close look at the latest “study” used by alarmists to back their claim actually found that barely 1% of published scientific articles support the claim of dangerous man-made global warming.

Fourth, the most detailed and reliable international survey of climate scientists reveals that when asked about climate models, the source of most of the alarmists’ claims and predictions, most scientists say they are too crude and unreliable to be useful for policymaking. For two-thirds of the questions asked, scientific opinion is deeply divided, and in half of those cases, most scientists disagree with positions that are at the foundation of the alarmist case. There is certainly no consensus on the science behind the global warming scare.

Finally, if there were really a “consensus” among scientists about climate change, why are there 78 different climate models that vary widely in their “parameters” (assumptions) and outcomes? Why isn’t there just one? The simple fact is that scientists disagree on basic matters such as how big the human impact on climate is, whether natural forcings and feedbacks partially or completely cancel any likely feedback, and whether man-made global warming rises to the level of being a serious problem.

The skeptics who disagree with the IPCC’s proclamations don’t say humans are not “causing global warming,” because they acknowledge that agriculture, building roads and airports and water treatment plants, and emissions of various kinds (including carbon dioxide) may indeed affect regional climates and may even be enough to have a discernable impact globally. But is it enough to “disrupt the Earth’s climate”? There is no evidence that it is.






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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22432502 - 10/25/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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lol... they've been lobbying since the 70s, it was then called the "UN
Environment Programme". UNEP was established in 1972 by Maurice Strong,
the same man that started the IPCC and was a billionaire oil man, now
why would this billionaire ol man be so interested in eliminating all
these fossil fuels? could it be because it served his $$$ interests




The IPCC was established by that group and another group when Strong wasn't even the head of the UNEP. Maybe he was interested in forming an agency dedicated to the environment because he was concerned with the environment. Is that so hard to imagine? You sound like the liberals you are always criticizing saying that one billionaire is involved in some giant conspiracy. Except yours doesn't make any sense because how would a billionaire oil man starting an agency dedicated to helping the environment help make himself more money?



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no, I simply dont gobble up what some political group slaps on their web page as
the 'official truth' so I read more, not simply what I choose to agree with




When did I post anything from the IPCC? I posted a page from NOAA. I don't just follow what some political group says, I follow what the science says. The science says that CO2 levels are rising. The science says that carbon isotope ratios are changing because of fossil fuel emissions. The science says myriad things that support human accelerated climate change.

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here's a little light reading for you on the IPCC

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Procedural Problems







Why are you obsessed with the IPCC? I didn't even mention them, you are the one who brought them up as if they are the head of a global conspiracy.

The IAC, the group talked about in your post, clearly agrees that climate change is a problem. Just because they criticize the methods of the IPCC doesn't mean they are on your side. Furthermore, if you look at the report posted in that link, it says that the review was funded by the UNEP and WMO, the two groups that started the IPCC, as well as by the governments of several nations. Now why would the two groups who started the IPCC pay for a separate group to review the practices of the IPCC? Especially when they came back with negative opinions.

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What is the source of these quotes? It's obviously from some climate change denying site.


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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22432796 - 10/25/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Pris has totally misrepresented the IAC assessment .their goal is to make then IPCC less vulnerable k right wing attacks . They are not questioning the science


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    #22432832 - 10/25/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Has Pris ever not totally misrepresented something?


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