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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#22429507 - 10/24/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well the whole thing with confirmation bias is that people pick out the info that confirms the bias, and are blind to anything that doesn't.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#22429650 - 10/24/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said: No. Just no. The article you posted is about sea ice. Seriously read your article.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22429668 - 10/24/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Well the whole thing with confirmation bias is that people pick out the info that confirms the bias, and are blind to anything that doesn't.
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!
that's exactly what is done on both sides, the IPCC decides to ignore anything that goes against their charter which is to demand that global warming is caused by man
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22429786 - 10/24/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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True enough. It doesn't really matter either way if there's no solutions. One group wants to deny our extreme fragility in this regard, ant the other group wants to blame the first group for this fragility.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22429802 - 10/24/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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its already snowing in PA.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22429826 - 10/24/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: the statements were not about global sea ice, they've been about the ice caps, it's good you went ahead and started yucking it up to show you have no idea what the discussion is... now it's my turn to laugh
In the link you provided to NASA's website, can you tell me how many times the words "ice caps" appears in all that text? Can you tell me how many times the words "sea ice" appear?
Are you any good at math or averages? lol
Is your name Crystal?
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
#22430228 - 10/25/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: the statements were not about global sea ice, they've been about the ice caps, it's good you went ahead and started yucking it up to show you have no idea what the discussion is... now it's my turn to laugh
In the link you provided to NASA's website, can you tell me how many times the words "ice caps" appears in all that text? Can you tell me how many times the words "sea ice" appear?
Are you any good at math or averages? lol
Is your name Crystal?
you mind showing is these missing ice caps?
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22430301 - 10/25/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Arctic W. Fox said: As someone who knows a little about the happenings in Antarctica, I can confirm the ice cap is shrinking.
nasa says you have no idea what you are talking about
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
here's their charting of the antarctic since 1979, it shows it's pretty much unchanged, a little shrinkage a few years and a little growth but mostly unchanged

get on back to your global warming church now, you need to pray for some ice caps to melt
Here's how we know the ice is melting, bedside looking at the obvious images of less ice

Sea levels were actually decreasing slightly over the past 1500 years, then as humans started artificially increasing CO2 levels at the dawn of the Industrial Age, that changed and now the are increasing at an accelerating rate. There are only two ways sea levels rise: melting ice and thermal expansion from warming waters.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22430526 - 10/25/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said: That's a specious argument, absolute temperature does not have a one to one correspondence with atmospheric CO2. The vidence shows global temperature averages are rising, which is completely in line with what is expected.
I really don't understand why people would expect temperatures to rise immediately. Does a greenhouse immediately get hotter the moment you close the glass ceiling? No. It takes time for the heat to accumulate. The oceans are massive heat sinks. Water has a a huge heat capacity and it takes it a long time to respond to changes in atmospheric heating.
Nico and Koods, how can you explain areas in the graph where C02 drops but temperature continues to rise? Doesn't seem like a "regulator" to me. I love how both of you ignore the agricultural methane problem because it doesn't fit your argument. AGW worshipers are fucking stupid.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
#22430688 - 10/25/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You could not dream of a graph that demonstrates a correlation as strongly as the one you have problems with. There are many factors that modulate climate, but what that graph PROVES is that CO2 and temperature are correlated so strongly you could use CO2 levels as a thermometer.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22430704 - 10/25/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well earth was muchnwarmwr a lony time ago, we want things to be like they have been because we have done so well in the cureent climate. Koods, these people are just here to argue, and would deny the link between methane and carbon dioxide, and climate no matter what evidence there was. You would have to put them on a model earth and pump the gas in untill they could feel the temperature go up to convince them, and even then they would blame it on something else
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods] 3
#22430708 - 10/25/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its pretty fucking arrogant for kid two or three years out of high school to smugly question the work of people who have studied these issues in a scientific manner for decades. This is science not politics. Good I hope you aren't studying a scientific field, because you are incapable of looking at data without being tainted by your political beliefs.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: koods]
#22430722 - 10/25/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Its pretty fucking arrogant for kid two or three years out of high school to smugly question the work of people who have studied these issues in a scientific manner for decades. This is science not politics. Good I hope you aren't studying a scientific field, because you are incapable of looking at data without being tainted by your political beliefs.
I hope you're not studying English. 
You said C02 regulates the temperature. Now tell me why, in some areas of the graph, does the "regulator" drop but temperature continues its rising trend? Correlation is a well accepted fact, a causal relationship is something that you wish had been proven but in fact hasn't ever been.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
#22430737 - 10/25/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We know co2, and methane to a greater extent does trap heat. There is a corralation. You wont be convinced. People want shit spoon fed to them. Causation is hard to prove to people like you. Look ar the evidence we do have, not what we don't. Miami is gonna be under water in a century, so whatever. If tou don't see a factory or power plant pumping out smoke and wonder what it's doing, or doubt it has any effect on the air quality, I don[t know what to say. What's worse then loosing stupid costal cities is breathing all that crap when you live near it. Look at Bejing, noone wanta that.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22430771 - 10/25/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: We know co2, and methane to a greater extent does trap heat. There is a corralation. You wont be convinced. People want shit spoon fed to them. Causation is hard to prove to people like you. Look ar the evidence we do have, not what we don't. Miami is gonna be under water in a century, so whatever. If tou don't see a factory or power plant pumping out smoke and wonder what it's doing, or doubt it has any effect on the air quality, I don[t know what to say. What's worse then loosing stupid costal cities is breathing all that crap when you live near it. Look at Bejing, noone wanta that.
Whole bunch of opinions, no fact. I don't argue with amateurs.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
#22430785 - 10/25/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know, annoying people like younwant sources for everything, even stuff that is common knowledge and you wouldn't even have to source it 9on a colledge paper. What contributions besides denial of whatever is shown have you made?
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
#22430843 - 10/25/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: We know co2, and methane to a greater extent does trap heat. There is a corralation. You wont be convinced. People want shit spoon fed to them. Causation is hard to prove to people like you. Look ar the evidence we do have, not what we don't. Miami is gonna be under water in a century, so whatever. If tou don't see a factory or power plant pumping out smoke and wonder what it's doing, or doubt it has any effect on the air quality, I don[t know what to say. What's worse then loosing stupid costal cities is breathing all that crap when you live near it. Look at Bejing, noone wanta that.
Whole bunch of opinions, no fact. I don't argue with amateurs.
CO2 is partially opaque to frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum that warm objects radiate. This has been established through laboratory experiments. Increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere decreases the amount of heat being reradiated into space. When energy input is unchanged but output decreases, you have a net energy gain in the system. Unless you have a theory as to how the fundamental properties of the CO2 molecule do not apply in this case, there is nothing here to debate. You are just ill informed - or more likely - unwilling to accept any information that conflicts with your ideology.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22431035 - 10/25/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Arctic W. Fox said:
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Prisoner#1 said: the statements were not about global sea ice, they've been about the ice caps, it's good you went ahead and started yucking it up to show you have no idea what the discussion is... now it's my turn to laugh
In the link you provided to NASA's website, can you tell me how many times the words "ice caps" appears in all that text? Can you tell me how many times the words "sea ice" appear?
Are you any good at math or averages? lol
Is your name Crystal?
you mind showing is these missing ice caps?
Sure.
- First, say "please".
- Next, stop beating around the bush and answer my questions first.
- Then, you get your cookie.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
#22431296 - 10/25/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Its pretty fucking arrogant for kid two or three years out of high school to smugly question the work of people who have studied these issues in a scientific manner for decades. This is science not politics. Good I hope you aren't studying a scientific field, because you are incapable of looking at data without being tainted by your political beliefs.
I hope you're not studying English. 
You said C02 regulates the temperature. Now tell me why, in some areas of the graph, does the "regulator" drop but temperature continues its rising trend? Correlation is a well accepted fact, a causal relationship is something that you wish had been proven but in fact hasn't ever been.
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Re: September highest recorded temperature anomaly in recorded history [Re: Webster10]
#22431382 - 10/25/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not like CO2 is the only thing that has any effect on global temperature, you're being ridiculous. How exactly do you propose a direct causal relationship be proven in a situation this complex? Strong correlation is just about the best to be hoped for in some cases.
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