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Psilocybe Cyanescens from dried caps. First time
    #22412192 - 10/21/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hello reader,

I'm new here. New to grows, new to shrooms, new to psychedelics. Recently (4 years) acquainted with pot. I like pot

Backstory
In the past 6 months, some mushrooms were acquired after a 6-hour dealer-texting session. Dealer said something about "Psy-nesses" and how these are potent or something, so two eighths were purchased for two individuals, as is, of course, the standard dose.

Luckily each individual only enjoyed a very potent half eighth that night. Approx. two months later, it was decided the remaining eighth of dried caps may yield some more fruit yet, as it has been heard of to cultivate from even 3-year-old dried mushrooms. Sure beats buying mushrooms from inevitably phone-absent dealers. By now it is also known that these weren't your average mushrooms.

So here's me, Strob McFloghflin, in the middle of that. I will have a few questions along the way. I hope for this harvest to provide enough fruit for a friend and me for a perhaps two experiences.

Questions!

Cyanescens has been known, when in cultivated woodchip beds, to fruit especially where the colonized substrate is in contact with soil, or on the edge of the patch even without soil.
- Is it known whether arranging the beds in a strip-mine fashion to increase the length of the "edge" of the bed aids, does not affect, or hinders the fruiting process of woodlovers/cyans?
- Is a casing layer sufficient to support fruiting, or would mixing in soil with the woodchips provide additional support?

Cyanescens seems to enjoy growing along side plants and root systems. Have any indoor experiments been done using dirt/compost casing + transplanted vegetation? I cannot find any. Currently in the process of looking through some of waylitjim's posts and other indoor experiments, though holding off on indoor until I have the supplies/tek down to give it a solid shot

CULTIVATION
Summary of methodology:

- SEP 10 Dried caps were laid flat on iso-rubbed wax paper, covered & agitated (drummed bottom of wax paper under cups)
- SEP 11 Collected particulate (more dried flesh than spores) was added to liquid culture of honey
- SEP 18 Mycelium from LC (hopefully mushroom myc!:wink:) used to inoculate agar plates after 7 days
- OCT 1 Agar dishes cut and used to inoculate Jars (recipe taken from this tek, used 3/4 pint jars instead
Oct 19th: First jar to fully colonize!

Current state of grow:


Two tubs, containing 1.5 pints of myceliumn each, are occupying grow room of building in use for project. Three jars remain completely colonized in the fridge, and will likely be used for a tray-style tub that will be placed outside to fruit in December/January. Currently working out layout for substrate/soil within the tub, as it will not be homogenous. Depending on state of project come Dec/Jan (as well as state of knowledge on the subject of indoor cult), this tub may be kept indoors and will immediately be subject to indoor fruiting measures.

Considering:
- Use of freezer if temp can be adjusted slightly upwards
- Happy Light set to 12/12
- Colonized cardboard liner on tub
- Soil layer around bottom, sides & top
- Vegetation growing in tray
- ($$$ :thumbdown:) acquiring cheap flat-lying freezer/fridge to keep outdoors in backyard, replace lid with insulated clear cover

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Two tubs down


TRICH SCARE!!! :eek: Either false alarm or the myc toe it up


Tub #1 progress, day 4


Tub #2 progress day 2.5


A friend is helping with this project. I don't often get to drive out to see them, but it's probably for the best.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22412344 - 10/21/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Pics of those jars!


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22412387 - 10/21/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Grey]
    #22412658 - 10/21/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Kill it dude :rockon:


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22413880 - 10/21/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Tldnr.

Are you attempting this indoors? Too late to get fruits in the northern hemisphere. But the perfect time to start a patch hoping for next season


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: tahoe]
    #22416001 - 10/21/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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tahoe said:Are you attempting this indoors? Too late to get fruits in the northern hemisphere. But the perfect time to start a patch hoping for next season



Thanks for the reply. A small part will be set aside for indoor experiments. The second section, labeled 'Questions', is the paragraph I'd most like someone experienced to read. Could you explain about the time it takes for woodlovers to set up for fruiting?

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Pics of those jars!



Soon, I didn't get out other than work today. So tired from last night, writing this starting at midnight didn't work out in my favor.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22416116 - 10/21/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Moldy thumb]
    #22432864 - 10/25/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)


a pretty healthy one


metabolites  or contams?



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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22433130 - 10/25/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

In my limited experience with woodlovers (2 good seasons out of 3 attempts now) my smaller patches went better than my large patches. When spawn was mixed in naturally around my landscaping (under Hydrangea specifically) into 2-3" of mulch it did wonderfully. My larger patch in the woods (10' x 10' x 10"d) never fruited after 2 years. The thinner applications had clear mats of mycelium after a month or so, stayed basically dormant all summer and came to life on their own at the end of October in Northeast. The deep patch never colonized all the way through and after two years was well digested but gave nothing.


As far as I understand, they won't fruit unless fully colonized. When supplementing beds outdoors, it's said that you shouldn't add new chips past August or so to give them time to fully colonize before fruiting. I personally believe this is similar to the consolidation time with BRF cakes. As long as it is finding new food, it's not trying to produce. If trying to fruit quickly I would advise colonizing tub fully and wait rather than spawning to fresh chips.

They do not grow fast. Nothing is impossible with the right determination, but I believe 4 months is a bit fast to hope for. I used chips started in May and did not get fruits that year. When using a larger amount of spawn started in January, I got fruits in October the same year.

My fruits would take 10-14 days to mature outdoors and typically my second flush would freeze before mature. If your winters come on hard once they hit, I would suggest planting near a cement wall or some sort of heat sink to give off ambient heat at night to extend harvest a bit.

Fruiting indoors is incredibly difficult though some have succeeded somewhat. LOTS of FAE and humidity if you're going to try.

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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: psylo-not]
    #22434329 - 10/26/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the reply, the experiential evidence you provided was good to read. How many units of spawn were used for your smaller patches?

It's interesting to learn about the set-up time for woodlovers to be able to fruit within their surroundings. I've looked for threads and documents on the subject, and come across mainly a small number of threads that provide little info on soil, casings, sunlight exposure and circadian rhythms etc.

I'll go take a look at some metabolite threads. There are 6/7 jars fully colonized, the last image with no growth on the bottom is the final jar that will colonize. I'm deciding on a container for chips (tub type)


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22435424 - 10/26/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ba-dump

The jars have been placed in the fridge since they're gonna keep pissing metabolites all over themselves otherwise.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22435856 - 10/26/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that it needs to be thin. No more than two inches thick of wood chips.
I think most people try to get their patch established no later than July.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22436747 - 10/26/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Would the woodchips need to occupy from the surface down 2", or 2-3" thick underneath dirt casing? It probably just colonizes the dirt where its going to fruit anyway

Also decided on trash bags filled with chips lining tubs. bags will drain into tubs via holes in bottom, tubs will be placed in a bag as well and left uncovered.

Experimenting with a rather unwaxy, unshiny pine bedding I got for cheap ($8.00 for ~18 cubic ft) to see if it will work for the mycelium. Just got some aspen bedding and alder chips and chunks, will be soaking tonight and tossing together with some verm to get these jars of myc free of their glassy prison.

EDIT: Gypsum is also added to the mix.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22436805 - 10/26/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I never really measured to be honest. I took one quart of WBS, spawned to Aspen shavings (clean wood shavings in pet section for hamsters or whatever) after soaking with no pasteurization or sterilization. Colonized wood in a laundry basket in a garbage bag which allowed me to dunk every couple weeks for hydration and has plenty of air holes on sides for drainage. Once weather stopped freezing, I spawned whole basket to roughly 10' x 4' area that already had 2-3 inches of regular landscaping mulch, mixing thoroughly. A light layer (1/2 inch or so) of fresh mulch was used to 'case' the patch.

I've tried going from grain to hardwood mulch from home store without pasteurizing and it doesn't go well. I think it stays wet in those bags and has fair amount of mold and stuff in them already.

I'd suggest spawning to wood chips and colonizing before you spawn outside though as it'll have a better base to live on and less chance of birds or rodents digging for a concentration of seed/grain in your patch.

I noticed that the mat of mycelium will form underneath the surface and you'll have to dig an inch or so in the summer to check on it. Once the weather is right, you'll see it come to the surface on its own and eventually start to fruit. I did not put any soil on top of my beds, just mixed the chips into what was there.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: psylo-not]
    #22438046 - 10/26/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How can one deal with metabolites such as these? Carefully rinsing under water in the sink while wearing gloves? One of two jars which will soon be placed pointed to the floor inside of a tub (bag-lined) is suffering from yellow spots similar to these, although much less severely. Edit: decided against rinse.



Jars in question are 75% sawdust/25 oat bran, there should not be any rodent problems. Thanks for the tip about casing layers, although it appears you repealed the advice when you said you did not apply one to the 10x4' patch. Was that the patch that was an inch under the dirt come summertime? That would be good to know.

A batch of bulk substrate was boiled for 1.5 hours and is ready to be placed inside garbage bag-lined tub:
6L of alder chips/chunks
3 cups aspen shavings
~2 cups vermiculite
2-3 cups dirt/sticks/mossy debris (pasteurized for 20 minutes)
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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22438253 - 10/26/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The large patch was the one I made out of regularly bagged hardwood mulch from the home store. I did not give conditions because it was not successful.


This is a poor showing of some pins to give you an idea of what a newly prepared patch might do. The brown stick is a hydrangea stem and the green leaf is a Hardy Cyclamen to suggest the amount of sunlight I had them getting. This was the bed started in January and fruiting same year end of October. Note there is no visible mycelium, only the mushrooms coming through the chips. When you disturb the top however, there is ropey mycelium underneath. It helps to have some finer stuff mixed in with the coarse. The coarse gives it long term anchorage to help it come back next year.The fines are digested and depleted much faster than the coarse chunks, but I believe the fine stuff is where the mat forms and they truly fruit from. This is the bed that already had mulch and gets fresh every year to keep landscape nice and weeds under control. The laundry basket was mixed into this planting area that was roughly 10x4 feet by a couple inches deep, and a light layer (1/2" or so) of fresh mulch from the landscape supply store was put on top and left alone for the year aside from occasional watering with the plants.


If you want it to come back year after year, try to leave them long enough to drop spores. The mushrooms will still be fine if they freeze or dry, they just won't get any bigger. Had I watered these a couple times a day, they'd have probably done better, but I got plenty to get me there by setting and forgetting!:crazy2:

Again, only couple fruiting seasons here. Hopefully some more experience will chime in soon. I would personally advise not to birth those jars until 100% if they have oats in them.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: psylo-not]
    #22438307 - 10/26/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The jars that will be mixed in are fully colonized - at least, they've been colonized to the bottom of the jar for around a week now. There are some others that are more newly colonized and one that is just finishing, as well. There are grains of sawdust poking through, but I figure that's to be expected.

Am I understanding you right, it sounds like your casing layer of mulch is totally digestible by the mycelium, but it chooses to stay down underneath the casing layer except to shoot some pins up through the chips? If I wanted to fruit from these tubs, perhaps I should wait until I set them outside to fruit before adding a layer of soil and some mossy cover over the top.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22438744 - 10/27/15 02:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)


The bulk sub was prepped on the stove in some water for 1.5 hours.

6L of alder chips/chunks
3 cups aspen shavings
~2 cups vermiculite
2-3 cups dirt/sticks/mossy debris (pasteurized for 20 minutes)
.75 cups Gypsum

Sub glam


One jar waiting for its inoculate partner. Didn't quite slide out of the jar without breaking mush; likely due to "fmufmffffp-sy" texture. What a strangely inviting, rubber-spongy-mushroom-creamy-squoosh smell and texture mycelium has.


Dry verm layer poking through the salmon tint-edged myc in the top of the jar. Looking at the metabolites in these jars, I would not be surprised if this orange-pink hue around the edge was CO2 related. I base this on my 0 grows


The vermiculite that was colonized is coming along for the ride.

Now it is garbage-bagged in a storage area.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22439592 - 10/27/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the great posts Psylo-not. I am interested in your idea about small, digestible parts of the bed as fuel, and larger pieces as framework.

Today, we'll be experimenting with some of our large bulk of pine shavings to see if they will be around much longer. Most pine doesnt work with woodlovers. There will also be some oats, oat bran, BRF and sawdust. I want to see if the grain will allow for faster jar/tub colonization.

I think it will be optimal to lower bag of chips into the tub 2-3', as currently timberline is practically the lip of the tub and the garbage bag is hanging down into the chips and making contact. My guess is the contact point may start to mold, and FAE will improve with greater air capacity in the bag.


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Re: Noobs with woodlovers | ZOMBIE MODE [Re: Strob Mcfloghflin]
    #22439655 - 10/27/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, sorry I simply can not be of any service to you, as I never have worked with the more advanced species, only the standard cubies. But I must say you have definitely inspired me my friend, and I really appreciate it. That's a bold move to do what you chose to do, I wouldn't have even thought to do it if I were in the same situation as you were after you bought them.

So anyways just wanted to let you know you helped kick somebody into gear, Good luck my friend,
and thanks for the motivation. :fuckinawesome:

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