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Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD)
    #22412152 - 10/21/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

During the Cuban (nuclear) missile crisis, Mary Pinchot was giving LSD and Marijuana to JFK and encouraging him to take a peaceful route to end crises.

"A book by Peter Janney, called Mary's Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary Pinchot Meyer, and Their Vision of World Peace, the author claims that the the socialite would often bring marijuana and LSD to her trysts with the President.

During their conversations while on these hallucinogens, Ms Pinchot Meyer reportedly tried to appeal to Mr Kennedy's pacifist nature and urged him to seek peaceful solutions to such worldwide crises like the Cold War and the Cuban missile crisis.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132334/JFKs-mistress-Mary-Pinchot-assassinated-CIA-knew-much.html#ixzz3pBXA9Hj5

"Dangerously incorrect lessons are drawn when the ExComm (Executive Committee of the National Security Council) is credited with successfully managing the Cuban Missile Crisis. War was prevented for two reasons, and the ExComm's members were responsible for neither. The first, and most important, is that Khrushchev did not want a war. His objective was to protect Castro's government by deterring, not fighting, the United States. "Any fool can start a war," he often remarked; and he had experienced more than enough of war's horrors.

The second reason that war was avoided is that the President, not the members of the ExComm (and certainly not the Joint Chiefs, who unanimously and persistently recommended attacking Cuba), insisted on providing Khrushchev with a politically acceptable exit from his failed gamble. The challenge was to find a resolution that gave the Soviet leader options other than capitulate or fight. To do so, it was necessary for the President to empathize with his adversary, to see the crisis from Khrushchev's perspective.
https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2012/fall/cuban-missiles.html


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Edited by endogenous (10/21/15 02:04 AM)


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22412155 - 10/21/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Who is up for another 20 pages of article posting and ignorance?


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22417323 - 10/22/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:pipesmoke:


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: arago]
    #22417358 - 10/22/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl: I can guarantee you the Cuban Missle Crisis not erupting into a global scale nuclear holocaust was definitely NOT because of LSD. The things wooks will believe if you put it in front of them...


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: Cj-B]
    #22418369 - 10/22/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Did you read the articles? The Excomm was all for war while Kennedy staunchly refused. To many people it was a mystery as to why Kennedy was so strongly against war.

Meantime, he was having an affair and ingesting LSD and Marijuana with Mary Pinchot who was very into pacifism and was strongly encouraging Kennedy to not go to war.

LSD was behind the anti-war movement of the 60's. That's why Nixon wanted the death penalty for possession of LSD and called Tim Leary "the most dangerous man in America."


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22418418 - 10/22/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why is it so inconceivable to some that many people are not in favor of war and would seriously hesitate to plunge the world into a nuclear conflict without the aid of psychedelics?


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: koraks] * 1
    #22418455 - 10/22/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why is it so inconceivable to some that LSD would influence someone to become a pacifist?

Flower power.


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: endogenous]
    #22418461 - 10/22/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

because taking LSD isn't necessary for someone to become a pacifist... heard of Occam's razor?

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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22418493 - 10/22/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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endogenous said:
Why is it so inconceivable to some that LSD would influence someone to become a pacifist?

Flower power.



It isn't, but the statement that entheogens would make a person a pacifist (which it doesn't in all cases) doesn't imply it's the only condition under which a person can become (or remain) a pacifist.

Brain power.


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: koraks]
    #22418512 - 10/22/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

exactly, it's a well known fact that Hitler used to shoot LSD

ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: koraks] * 1
    #22418517 - 10/22/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

However, Kennedy wasn't a pacifist to begin with.

Mary Pinchot said that she believed that Kennedy was changing too fast (from the LSD) and that's why he was assassinated. He started to take steps to end the Vietnam war.

Pinchot was also murdered and the evidence strongly points to the CIA as the perpetrators.


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: endogenous]
    #22418519 - 10/22/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the evidence always does


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #22418521 - 10/22/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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exactly, it's a well known fact that Hitler used to shoot LSD

ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer



Wrong.

But methadone was invented by the Nazis.


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22418549 - 10/22/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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However, Kennedy wasn't a pacifist to begin with.




The second flaw in the argument is that you don't have to be a pacifist to try and prevent WWIII.


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: endogenous]
    #22418555 - 10/22/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

koraks said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
However, Kennedy wasn't a pacifist to begin with.




The second flaw in the argument is that you don't have to be a pacifist to try and prevent WWIII.




:lol:

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

Mad_Larkin said:
exactly, it's a well known fact that Hitler used to shoot LSD

ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer



Wrong.

But methadone was invented by the Nazis.




Wrong.

methadone was invented by William S. Burroughs in 1890 as a cure for Alzheimer's


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #22418558 - 10/22/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I keep forgetting that. Shh.


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: koraks]
    #22418592 - 10/22/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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However, Kennedy wasn't a pacifist to begin with.




The second flaw in the argument is that you don't have to be a pacifist to try and prevent WWIII.



The flaw in your argument is that all of Kennedy's advisers including all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, were in favor of going to war.

The question of why Kennedy didn't go along with them is a mystery to those who studied the situation.


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22418615 - 10/22/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And therefore, it could only have been LSD. Man, I totally see it now.


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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: endogenous]
    #22418623 - 10/22/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

koraks said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
However, Kennedy wasn't a pacifist to begin with.




The second flaw in the argument is that you don't have to be a pacifist to try and prevent WWIII.



The flaw in your argument is that all of Kennedy's advisers including all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, were in favor of going to war.

The question of why Kennedy didn't go along with them is a mystery to those who studied the situation.



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Re: Entheogens Saved the World -- (Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy & LSD) [Re: koraks]
    #22418650 - 10/22/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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And therefore, it could only have been LSD. Man, I totally see it now.


There was a witness to the fact that LSD was changing Kennedy - as I mentioned -- Mary Pinchot - and she said that that was exactly what was happening.


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