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lost87
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aa/na plans to shit.real quick
#22411748 - 10/20/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am about to finish a six week dui program that was court ordered.i am also supposed to do 24 aa/na self help meetings in order to get my certification.i was planning on getting friends to sign and just making it out to look like i did four classes every saturday for six weeks.heres my problem i overheard the teachers talking about how they have access to the logs and that the chairman of the class has to sign the form.any advice or stories of any one that has had experience with this will be greatly appreciated.i am eligible to get my license back as soon as i show proof of certification after 5years of being revoked.please help i dont ask for much here but right now i really need the community's help.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: lost87] 3
#22411760 - 10/20/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just go to the meetings...
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: lost87]
#22411762 - 10/20/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just do it. Trying to cheat the system rarely works in your favor. All you have to do is bullshit your way through it and it's a breeze. Say everything they want to hear.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: Shroomslip]
#22411788 - 10/20/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah that crossed my mind im just ready to have my life back and be able to drive again.i feel like ive been disabled since i lost my license.i have kids and know how much more i can do compared to only being able to do what people will help me do if you know what i mean.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: lost87]
#22411822 - 10/20/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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considering that your posting on a monitored site that the police state will read/view I would say its a mistake to cheat. You would be in the clear but a year or so down the road you will be detained if lucky, more likely swat raided and nailed with all kinds of charges from fraud to contempt of court and these costs (lawyer-legal/fines/lost wages and driving privileges and time in a cage)will outweigh any gains you get right now. finish the program and move on with your life, trust the advice its not worth the crap you will be buried in otherwise.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: lost87]
#22411837 - 10/21/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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24 meetings isn't all that many. Obviously it depends on your schedule but you could do that many in a week if you have the time. AA is cool too because you're free to put in input, to not put any in at all.
Get it done and you never have to go back
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: perikleous]
#22411856 - 10/21/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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perikleous said: considering that your posting on a monitored site that the police state will read/view I would say its a mistake to cheat.

Really, just wtf LOL. You think a case simple enough to be resolved by just doing 24 AA/NA meetings is worthy of them trying to catch him up?
Even if someone in law enforcement monitoring this place, is close enough to him for it to come back on him, how would it? Do you have his name? I sure don't. As far as they're concerned he's another faceless forum poster.
Holy shit you're paranoid.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: The Moose]
#22412178 - 10/21/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Some courts have held that it’s unconstitutional for authorities to order people who declare a religious objection to attend AA meetings. In 2007, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in San Francisco, found that a parole officer can be sued for damages for ordering a parolee to go through AA." -- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/31/fremont-man-sues-state-over-aa-requirement/
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: Shroomslip]
#22412252 - 10/21/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Just do it. Trying to cheat the system rarely works in your favor. All you have to do is bullshit your way through it and it's a breeze.
Say everything they want to hear.
Actually, you won't have to say anything. My group doesn't require active participation. They have meetings at 7AM, Noon, 7PM every day, plus midnight meetings on the weekends.
At the most you might be asked to raise your hand if you're counting days, and say "Hi. I'm lost87 and I have 40 some days(or whatever)" I've got 656 days dry, btw and I wouldn't have been able to do that without the help and support of AA. Who knows? You might even learn something...
Did you have to do community service and drug testing?
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: vinsue] 1
#22412347 - 10/21/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've got 656 days dry,
Congrats.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: perikleous]
#22412403 - 10/21/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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AA/NA meetings don't typically have "logs" that can be accessed. Just get your friends to sign it. I do it all the time without consequence.
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perikleous said: considering that your posting on a monitored site that the police state will read/view I would say its a mistake to cheat. You would be in the clear but a year or so down the road you will be detained if lucky, more likely swat raided and nailed with all kinds of charges from fraud to contempt of court and these costs (lawyer-legal/fines/lost wages and driving privileges and time in a cage)will outweigh any gains you get right now. finish the program and move on with your life, trust the advice its not worth the crap you will be buried in otherwise.
No.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: perikleous]
#22412441 - 10/21/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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perikleous said: considering that your posting on a monitored site that the police state will read/view I would say its a mistake to cheat. You would be in the clear but a year or so down the road you will be detained if lucky, more likely swat raided and nailed with all kinds of charges from fraud to contempt of court and these costs (lawyer-legal/fines/lost wages and driving privileges and time in a cage)will outweigh any gains you get right now. finish the program and move on with your life, trust the advice its not worth the crap you will be buried in otherwise.
I bet they have a whole department just watching shroomery for people cheating on probation. OP you might as well just turn yourself in now the internet police are for sure coming with a front door battling ram.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: my3rdeye] 1
#22412463 - 10/21/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got a dui back in July and am going through the motions right now. A.A. is most definitely not the hardest part of it all. Just go to the meetings. Sometimes I even leave meetings in a way better mood than when I walked in. You don't have to be an alcoholic to get something out of it. It's like free group therapy with coffee.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: lost87]
#22412471 - 10/21/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just go to the meetings, you're not the first one to try to pull this.
I've heard stories about the "teachers" communicating with the court about attendance, however unlikely...it's possible.
Go to the meetings..go to the meetings.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: 1234go]
#22413524 - 10/21/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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what they are referencing to is the different AA member that is heading up the meeting, the use different ones because they are all neurotic and want to feel important and it makes forging the signature much more difficult because it is supposed to be a different person every time, and if they had reason to believe you forged they can contact the meeting and check.
trust me these type of people love to catch stuff like this and really double dick you so you "learn".
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ReposadoXochipilli said: they can contact the meeting and check.
So AA/NA is a sham? How do you check on something anonymous The whole thing is that is anonymous and if you do get outed you probably could have fair grounds for a law suit. Personally I've never seen a productive AA meeting. But if OP likes Koolaid it may be worthwhile.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: r00tuuu123] 1
#22413671 - 10/21/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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it never ceases to blow my mind that courts can force you into religious, non governmental programs like NA/AA.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: Adolin]
#22413702 - 10/21/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't much like it either. I guess it really depends on how you look at it though. You don't go to jail because you broke a law by refusing to go. Agreeing to go is part of the stipulation of avoiding jail for whatever crime it was you actually did commit. 
I did it when I was on probation. It was annoying, but it's not really a huge deal. At first I even refused to stay sober, didn't smoke weed because it stays in your system too long, got caught with a random drug test. Judge didn't violate me and I decided my freedom was worth more than getting drunk. Spent the remainder of my year on probation sober. 100% bullshitted my way through all the meetings and stuff. I had no intention of staying sober once I was off probation, but acted as if I was really trying to get and stay sober.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: r00tuuu123]
#22413990 - 10/21/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ReposadoXochipilli said: they can contact the meeting and check.
So AA/NA is a sham? How do you check on something anonymous The whole thing is that is anonymous and if you do get outed you probably could have fair grounds for a law suit. Personally I've never seen a productive AA meeting. But if OP likes Koolaid it may be worthwhile.
no they cross check the date of the meeting with the persons signature directing the meeting to verify that you were there. obviously only court ordered people have to get signatures.
i believe that while it is supposed to be anonymous that situation has blown out many times.
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Yea they probably look more at the chairman's name so when it's your pothead buddy's they're gonna be like "Who da fuck is dat?"
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: Shroomslip]
#22416787 - 10/22/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes im paranoid because it is so hard to id his name from an IP address, its so hard to know which person in a household was in court for a DUI. Have you noticed how many people have been arrested/charged this past handful of years over social media postings? hundreds of thousands again hundreds of thousands... from a statement/comment or a photo and yes they were arrested because its the easiest way to charge someone, and reap the financial rewards from doing so.. Its alot of work to actually persue a criminal act but scanning social media is like shooting fish in a barrel similar to the war on drugs is easy pickings and extremely profitable
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: perikleous]
#22416793 - 10/22/15 05:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes you are paranoid.
I'm sorry, you're not that special. No one here is. No one gives a shit about you, me, or any other person on this website. It is not worth the effort of tracking you down through IP to get you on minor probation violations.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: perikleous]
#22418583 - 10/22/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This isn't "social media" like twitter and facebook where you have your 500 best friends looking at everything you post. If the cops look at facebook or whatever they'll see that Joe Butthurt is going to kill his wife, he even tagged her in the post!!
It's the fucking shroomery. What are they gonna go door to door throughout the entire world asking if anybody knows who perikleous is? No.
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: Adolin]
#22418961 - 10/22/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gresh said: it never ceases to blow my mind that courts can force you into religious, non governmental programs like NA/AA.
lol....ya know why???...It's because NOBODY or ANY INSTITUTION has come up with anything that works better....EVER.
When someone does, I'm sure the courts will send them there.
And, OP....just go to the damned meetings...You're probation monitor probably knows what signatures are on the court slips because he or she looks at so many. AA does not keep logs, like someone said. the program is centered on anonymity....it is in our traditions to not use last names. AA as an organization does not have a hand in this process...it is up to the individual group and some will not sign slips....actually many won't. The ones that do...do it as a service.
I was an out of control drunk with multiple DWI's that was forced to go to AA by the courts. I still attend meetings and sign slips at my group if necessary...I have been sober going on 17 years because of this program....Don't worry op....you can't catch sobriety by assmosis...so sitting and listening at a few meeting won't kill you.
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just get on their schedule books for your area and hit up 6 meetings a day for 4 days..
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Re: aa/na plans to shit.real quick [Re: Lucis]
#22418973 - 10/22/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario said:
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vinsue said:
I've got 656 days dry,
Congrats.
That's awesome vinsue.....How'd ya do it?
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Got it taken care of.didnt forge anything.they told me i could use ymca classes as self help.so i just used my gym attendance and wrote wellness on my form.they called and said i get my certification the 1st.thanks for the responses.good to know i can always turn to the community for opinions.
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