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Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help
    #22411726 - 10/20/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hello Shroomery! This is my first post, although I have been reading others posts for about a month.

After spotting these guys today in Northish Georgia (East Cobb), I decided to look up A. Muscaria hunting guides, habitat, and as many identification traits as possible. I am fairly sure these are both A. Muscaria var. Persicina, or whatever new species they are being named as from the recent DNA testing. My ither guess was A. Muscaria var. Guessowii but nearly all of the sources I found limited the southern extent of the distribution to northern carolina.

Anyways on to the mushroom
Habitat
-These were found in a cluster of four, all the exact same mushroom, in different stages of growth, two were left uncultivated due to being very yound, one still fully covered in that fuzzy egg like structure. They were found less than five feet from a small lake/pond amd growing extremely close to loblolly pine trees. They were found in a lower elavation than the surrounding ground, suggesting why they could grow in the fairly dry past few weeks, excluding a few scattered days of rainfall.

Physical Description
-Caps of both mushrooms are fairly bulbous, just beginning to broaden out, making me regret picking them so soon. They are an orange-red, with the red slightly darkening in the center. I would call them almost a salmon pink to peach color. Also noted that when wiped down a bit, the cap seems to darken to more of a light red/orange than orange/yellow. The warts on both caps are whiteish to pale yellow and evenly distributed, and cover nearly all of the cap, furthering my belief that these mushrooms are at an early stage of development. When cut in half the gradual lightening and disappearance of the red orange skin is apparent, fading to a light yellow and then white after a few miliimeters.
-Gills as well as the spores are white
-Stem. The larger of the two mushrooms has a partially attached veil, and the smaller still has the veil attached covering the gills, both mushrooms have concentric fuzzy looking rings right above the bulbous, egg shaped base. The stipes on both shrooms are equal in terms of not narrowing near the cap or beginning of bulb. The stipes are fairly white with parts being more offwhite to yellow, and I believe bruise slightly yellow when pressed (maybe not). The larger mushroom has a larger corkscrewing ring about halway up its stipe, which I am not sure is a trait of muscaria mushrooms.
-Smell
The mushrooms have a very pleasant, subtle earthy aroma

If I left any other important details about identifying the mushrooms out please let me know, I am fairly new to mushroom hunting/identification in general and very new to amanitas, so I am trying to proceed with extreme caution.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: Weiliin]
    #22411745 - 10/20/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nice find my fellow Georgian!  Although, I have no idea what those are?  I found it pretty ironic that your scream name is Weillin, and I just got some weilli today :wink:  Those look familiar for some reason, maybe I've come across them in the past, but I can't ID them off the top of my head.  Sorry.

Good luck in finding more and getting help with this batch!

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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: SwaggyJ]
    #22411759 - 10/20/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Congratulations on the Weilli! I haven't been able to find any since that streak of rain last month. Good to know someone's still having luck finding them. What habitat did you find them in, if you don't mind me asking? I have only spotted them in bermuda grass distinctly close to young sweetgum trees.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: Weiliin]
    #22411803 - 10/20/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I should have mentioned this in the original post but this mushroom is also known as the peach fly agaric or southern fly agaric/fly amanita. It is closely related with the mushroom the hookah catarpillar from alice in wonderland sits atop. The one that makes Alice grow or shrink which is a common effect of Fly Agaric mushrooms, this is known as micropsia/macropsia meaning it makes you feel much larger compared to your surroundings or much smaller.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: Weiliin]
    #22411849 - 10/21/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

A friend of mine has about 6 acres with a lake and dense wooded areas, in Flowery Branch.  I wasn't with him on this pick, I just was the benefactor of some of the tons he found.  Not sure of the exact habitat, but not to thick...slightly above average perhaps.  He did say he noticed the first couple under a tree about 20 yards from the lake and hit the jackpot another 20 yards past the first discovery.  I've been out there before, but never that far back.  But that will change soon, lol.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: SwaggyJ]
    #22411853 - 10/21/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Of course!  Geez, can't believe I didn't make that connection.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: SwaggyJ]
    #22411874 - 10/21/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Although the mushrooms depicted are A. muscaria var. Muscaria and are a much brighter, more distinguised red compared to these


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: Weiliin]
    #22412177 - 10/21/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Active amanita Come in a wide range of colors and are all considered common name fly argic, fly amanita, or santa shroom. The fly is because they have been used to kill house flies. Amanita muscaria is the proper name and will be white, yellow, red, or a mixture of yellow and red. I consider the vibrant yellow or/and red ones safe to dry and eat. They often grow in fairy rings.

A half cap of the wrong amanita will kill you, to much of the right kind will kill you so you must be careful.

Another note: those are very young mushrooms if you can wait until the caps are flat before you pick them in the future so they can multiply.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: ShadowRunner]
    #22412547 - 10/21/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Amanitas are definitely an interesting genus (?) Partly cus it feels weird knowing that half a cap could kill a grown man. The way they almost seem to hatch from "eggs" as well. I don't know if I'd ever use them for psychoactive purposes but I still respect them and their usage.

Very unique they are.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: Weiliin]
    #22412640 - 10/21/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

All of the toxic lookalikes have been ruled out, although they may not be active. I did leave two younger mushrooms in the cluster found to drop their spores and multiply


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #22412919 - 10/21/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And I could be mistaken but I believe the egg looking stage is when the mushroom is still encased in its universal veil, quite interestingly many poisonings occurred as a results of baby amanitas being mistaken for puffballs and eaten in large quantities.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: Weiliin]
    #22413404 - 10/21/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Weiliin said:
And I could be mistaken but I believe the egg looking stage is when the mushroom is still encased in its universal veil, quite interestingly many poisonings occurred as a results of baby amanitas being mistaken for puffballs and eaten in large quantities.



That's correct yeah, I just find it interesting and almost unnerving how they imitate puffballs through no fault of their own.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #22413986 - 10/21/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

They are pretty hard to mistake to anyone that knows what the mushrooms entail. Puffballs eat decaying wood and amanitas form bonds with the roots of trees. Just to be safe most people cut them in half before they are prepared. The gemed puffballs are kind of gross anyway easily my least favorite mushroom. As far as the mushrooms you picked they are active and I hate to see them go to waste they look great.


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: ShadowRunner]
    #22420856 - 10/22/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks so much ShadowRunner! Wanted a positive identification before I tried them, and sorry ahead of time for going off on this tangent in an identification thread, but do you have any advice on best way to consume such mushrooms? I've heard many mixed opinions about drying, eating fresh, boiling into a tea. As well as the effectiveness of vaporizing them, which I have thought, and hope to plausible, since the melting point of muscimol is 184-185 deg Celsius or 363-365 Farenheit. Was hoping to do a bit of experimentation with my highly underused mflb and the dried flesh just under the skin of the mushrooms. Thoughts?


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: ShadowRunner]
    #22420880 - 10/22/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And here is a pic of the two younger mushrooms left at the site for anyone who might want to see Georgia var. persacina in habitat; as well as an unexpected surprise that just popped up a few feet from the original cluster.



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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: Weiliin]
    #22421603 - 10/23/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, not trying to be a dick, but the preferred name for these is Amanita persicina.

Just trying to keep up with the name changes, not present any false info.

If you scroll down you will see a comment by Amanita expert Rod Tulloss saying this name is good to be used now.

http://mushroomobserver.org/name/show_name/43596


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Re: Northern Georgia A.Muscaria var. Persicina I.D. Help [Re: Lucis]
    #22422341 - 10/23/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for informing me :smile: I had seen in a few places that they had discovered it was distinct from DNA mapping, but hadn't seen any reports on official reclassification so I, i just mentioned in op that it might be a new name. Awesome to know that I can call it by its true name now! Much appreciated :smile:


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