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Count of Sabugosa
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Why do drug dealers still live with their moms?
#22410907 - 10/20/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Average to long post ahead.
If you remember this title from a "The Shroomery" post, you have been here longer than a year. That is the threshold that I found adequate to re-post something if it was touched upon before (wink-wink, moderators).
This is classic "Chapter 3" of Freakonomics. The explanation is simple, and you just have to read it, and it's a good read, so there's no reason to restate it, aside of explaining the topic (and why it is midway between philosophy, money matters and political discussions, so I just picked one). And the topic could be as follows:
Stephen Levitt basically makes a deep economic statement using, as was the catch with Freakonomics, examples that were as unconventional as relatable. After all, drugs and drug trade are everywhere and affect millions, and the media portraits soldiers and pawns as well as drug lords in its own fashion, seldom accurate. Therefore, this is not a post related to drugs, as much as it is related to the current financial status of the nation, an important topic for upcoming elections.
Since I am no economics expert, I learned plenty from this title. I also happen to have interviewed workers from this trade in my early days, and trust us, it was scary and difficult, because of the worldwide stigma. However, it is used not to speak, specifically, of the content of the Chapter and its implications. This one is about a sentence a professor once said that I can’t forget:
“Do you want to learn about capitalism? Learn about the drug biz.”
I guess I could never shake off the idea, but as he explained to me, it made sense, and I think we can safely sum it up for all sides of the political aisle as: “It’s a mad world out there,” or, “eat or be eaten,” or, “let´s make a killing,” etc.
However, comparing it to Levitt’s writing, many mistakenly think that the drug trade enriches all parties, a fallacy, known only to those who had a chance to know the world and not suffer any damages, or researched enough or even cared to do it. In this sense:
3. What do you think is Levitt’s message, and how does it relate to current candidates’ proposals and/or talking points?
2. One of the intention of Levitt’s, as seen under this prism, is that the violence correlated to drugs and the violence correlated to business – often the same, but altogether a different concept – seems to favor the very few in a vicious cycle:
Which candidate, assuming the aforementioned to be somewhat accurate, could tame a wild economy and bring it back to parameters where “drug dealers” don’t have to go back and live with their parents? Is there one at all worried about this discrepancy (both Dems and the GOP)?
3. How do you interpret, and do you agree with Levitt's argument?
4. Do you agree that capitalism and drug-trade and other forms of organized crimes can be compared, as Levitt's did?
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thebitterbuffalo26
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To answer the original question, it's probably because their dads were drug dealers when they lived there
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Are there rules in capitalism?
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Count of Sabugosa
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It is a very important part of the issue, although absent parents and parents who worked too much and had no idea of what kind of attention to give to their children seems to be the most common ailment.
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Count of Sabugosa
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: Are there rules in capitalism?
I think they are, but more than others, thy bend over to the heaviest gravitational pool
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burgerbrain
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royque1980 said: Average to long post ahead.
If you remember this title from a "The Shroomery" post, you have been here longer than a year. That is the threshold that I found adequate to re-post something if it was touched upon before (wink-wink, moderators).
This is classic "Chapter 3" of Freakonomics. The explanation is simple, and you just have to read it, and it's a good read, so there's no reason to restate it, aside of explaining the topic (and why it is midway between philosophy, money matters and political discussions, so I just picked one). And the topic could be as follows:
Stephen Levitt basically makes a deep economic statement using, as was the catch with Freakonomics, examples that were as unconventional as relatable. After all, drugs and drug trade are everywhere and affect millions, and the media portraits soldiers and pawns as well as drug lords in its own fashion, seldom accurate. Therefore, this is not a post related to drugs, as much as it is related to the current financial status of the nation, an important topic for upcoming elections.
Since I am no economics expert, I learned plenty from this title. I also happen to have interviewed workers from this trade in my early days, and trust us, it was scary and difficult, because of the worldwide stigma. However, it is used not to speak, specifically, of the content of the Chapter and its implications. This one is about a sentence a professor once said that I can’t forget:
“Do you want to learn about capitalism? Learn about the drug biz.”
I guess I could never shake off the idea, but as he explained to me, it made sense, and I think we can safely sum it up for all sides of the political aisle as: “It’s a mad world out there,” or, “eat or be eaten,” or, “let´s make a killing,” etc.
However, comparing it to Levitt’s writing, many mistakenly think that the drug trade enriches all parties, a fallacy, known only to those who had a chance to know the world and not suffer any damages, or researched enough or even cared to do it. In this sense:
3. What do you think is Levitt’s message, and how does it relate to current candidates’ proposals and/or talking points?
2. One of the intention of Levitt’s, as seen under this prism, is that the violence correlated to drugs and the violence correlated to business – often the same, but altogether a different concept – seems to favor the very few in a vicious cycle:
Which candidate, assuming the aforementioned to be somewhat accurate, could tame a wild economy and bring it back to parameters where “drug dealers” don’t have to go back and live with their parents? Is there one at all worried about this discrepancy (both Dems and the GOP)?
3. How do you interpret, and do you agree with Levitt's argument?
4. Do you agree that capitalism and drug-trade and other forms of organized crimes can be compared, as Levitt's did?
The drug market is not capitalism because of regulation by gov. The drug market is a black market.
It's an economic fact that voluntary trade results in enrichment of both parties - does not specify if one party will use the acquired item for good or evil. (Even with drugs)
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Count of Sabugosa
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Re: Why do drug dealers still live with their moms? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22413443 - 10/21/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://adventuresincapitalism.com/post/2010/09/19/The-Black-Market.aspx
The above is by no means a source I know. I clicked on keywords, and that's that. But aligned with Levitt's argument, the author does make good points. One that stands out is this, very true to current times:
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The more I travel, the more amazed I am at how compliant Americans seem to be when it comes to paying taxes. Many of us do not even use all our legitimate deductions. I think it comes down to a simple principle. Taxes are the cost of civilization and as Americans; we all understand that we must do our part. As long as we view our tax system as just, we grit our teeth and pay the tax. However, there does come a time when people begin to lose faith in the system and opt out. In many Third World countries, this is because the people resent paying money to corrupt politicians and stupid entitlement programs.
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Re: Why do drug dealers still live with their moms? [Re: Count of Sabugosa] 1
#22413487 - 10/21/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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royque1980 said: http://adventuresincapitalism.com/post/2010/09/19/The-Black-Market.aspx
The above is by no means a source I know. I clicked on keywords, and that's that. But aligned with Levitt's argument, the author does make good points. One that stands out is this, very true to current times:
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The more I travel, the more amazed I am at how compliant Americans seem to be when it comes to paying taxes. Many of us do not even use all our legitimate deductions. I think it comes down to a simple principle. Taxes are the cost of civilization and as Americans; we all understand that we must do our part. As long as we view our tax system as just, we grit our teeth and pay the tax. However, there does come a time when people begin to lose faith in the system and opt out. In many Third World countries, this is because the people resent paying money to corrupt politicians and stupid entitlement programs.
American tax law is complex, and that's by design, big brother knows the more complex it is, the harder it is for people to do them, thus, many choose the easiest route, in which they end up paying more taxes
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Re: Why do drug dealers still live with their moms? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22413966 - 10/21/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why do drug dealers still live with their moms?
Because they can.
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