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Living bread upate
#22410704 - 10/20/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So as anyone who has been following my posts knows, I have been attempting to grow aminita muscaria mycellium on barley cakes aka "The Living Bread".
I am about ready to harvest now, but one of my jars appears to be contaminated by a small amount of blue mold. I am wondering, do I need to throw out the entire jar or can I just cut the moldy part off?
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How about a picture, friend?
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Why not update your original thread instead of starting a new one? Not being a smart ass, just wondering.
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: NDStepp84]
#22410814 - 10/20/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said: Why not update your original thread instead of starting a new one? Not being a smart ass, just wondering.
Also wondering. Now anybody who was interested in the last thread has to be lucky enough to see this one floating around.
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: NDStepp84]
#22410856 - 10/20/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It usually takes longer to get replies when you do that. I can if you want me to though.
anyway here are some pics. I apologize for the low quality all I have is my webcam right now, digital camera broke. I doubt youll be able to see much but in the first pic, that tiny bluish spot is what I think is contam.
Now in the second pic, there is a large grayish mass. Is that mold or mycellium? The amanita mycellium ranges from white to gray but that is very dark compared to the rest.
The third pic is of non contaminated mycellium


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Peyote Road said: It usually takes longer to get replies when you do that.
So you cheated the system to get faster replies, at the expense of creating clutter and not having anybody that cares see the thread? Golden priorities..
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: Inocuole]
#22410876 - 10/20/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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didn't you just inoculate those jars a few days ago
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: Inocuole]
#22410889 - 10/20/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: It usually takes longer to get replies when you do that.
So you cheated the system to get faster replies, at the expense of creating clutter and not having anybody that cares see the thread? Golden priorities..
My apologies, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I won't do it again.
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bodhisatta said: didn't you just inoculate those jars a few days ago
Yes. THe aminita muscaria mushroom contains the spirit of Christ, and thus it has the ability to resurrect in only three days.
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bodhisatta said: didn't you just inoculate those jars a few days ago
Yes. THe aminita muscaria mushroom contains the spirit of Christ, and thus it has the ability to resurrect in only three days.
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: LocN9ne]
#22410993 - 10/20/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Was wondering who would take the first poke at that.
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: Inocuole]
#22411099 - 10/20/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: didn't you just inoculate those jars a few days ago
Yes. THe aminita muscaria mushroom contains the spirit of Christ, and thus it has the ability to resurrect in only three days.
the 3 days in the tomb refer to the 3 days in the year the hours of daylight stay equal before the days start growing longer again. it is the sun that symbolically dies on the winter solstice and spends 3 days in a tomb to be resurrected.
the siberian cult that christianity is largely based on was also deeply into astrotheology. as well as fertility worship. not all symbolism refers to the amanita.
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Why can't it refer to both? The physical sun which gives light to the world, is the physical representation of the spiritual sun which gives light to the soul, which is physically represented by amanita muscaria.
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if there is mold i would toss the jar!
good luck man...IF it worked would you trade spore prints?
also according to the book you dont inoculate spores, but powdered amanitas, but i dont see why wouldnt spores works too, its the same as dropping a tissue into agar or grains to clone and/or how one can use spores to inoculate!
and again IF it worked, maybe you should start the official amanita thread or something.
and good luck.
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Peyote Road said: Why can't it refer to both? The physical sun which gives light to the world, is the physical representation of the spiritual sun which gives light to the soul, which is physically represented by amanita muscaria.
because jesus is the resurrectee, not the resurrector. jesus spends 3 days in a tomb because he is dead, waiting to be resurrected. not waiting to start resurrecting others. and don't forget jesus was a latter invention created nearly a millennium after the oldest known version of the story. the mushroom does not refer to jesus, jesus refers to the mushroom.
BTW: does anyone else want amanita prints? i'm pretty sure i have a decent shot at getting some from the wild here.
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Peyote Road said: Why can't it refer to both? The physical sun which gives light to the world, is the physical representation of the spiritual sun which gives light to the soul, which is physically represented by amanita muscaria.
because jesus is the resurrectee, not the resurrector. jesus spends 3 days in a tomb because he is dead, waiting to be resurrected. not waiting to start resurrecting others. and don't forget jesus was a latter invention created nearly a millennium after the oldest known version of the story. the mushroom does not refer to jesus, jesus refers to the mushroom.
BTW: does anyone else want amanita prints? i'm pretty sure i have a decent shot at getting some from the wild here.
I probably wont be able to do anything with them until next season but sure! as long as they are not a look alike lol
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no worries, amanita is one mushroom i am confident i can ID properly. and if i go out there i will be sure to take pictures n stuff.
ill see what i can do.
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DaveyJones6911 said: no worries, amanita is one mushroom i am confident i can ID properly. and if i go out there i will be sure to take pictures n stuff.
ill see what i can do.
hell yeah man, I have a little collection of cube prints so if you do manage to get something, hit me up.
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well i took a walk but i could only find one suitable specimen, and some bugs had eaten all the gills out of it :S
ill try again when the temperature drops some more.
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what you gonna do with amanita spores?
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Id be interested in print if you find any
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: Grim767]
#22417329 - 10/22/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you cant inoculate the barley jars with spores...only powdered amanita or live culture!?
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spacechildo said: what you gonna do with amanita spores?
I was gonna give them away or trade them.
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: oontribe]
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bummer. no biggie, like I said I wouldnt be able to experiment with it till next season anyway.
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spacechildo said: what you gonna do with amanita spores?
I was gonna give them away or trade them.
whats the people you trade with gonna do with them then?  just grow myc?
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spacechildo said: what you gonna do with amanita spores?
I was gonna give them away or trade them.
whats the people you trade with gonna do with them then?  just grow myc?
I dont know about other people but as for me, I want them for next season to see if I can get an outdoor patch going......and maybe experiment a little.
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so you're gonna bury spawn next to some pine tree roots?
amanitas are so normal around here it just never struck me as soemthing people would bother to do with such low chance of success..
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spacechildo said: so you're gonna bury spawn next to some pine tree roots?
amanitas are so normal around here it just never struck me as soemthing people would bother to do with such low chance of success..
believe it or not, I have NEVER seen not even ONE in my area in the whole 15+ yrs of being out there. I have pine trees, but never see any amanitas. so I think it would be something fun to try out and experiment.
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There not always that bright red. In many northern area's they're more of an orange.
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because that's not a muscaria, there's about 600 different amanitas out there.
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spacechildo said: because that's not a muscaria, there's about 600 different amanitas out there.
exactly, I have seen those(only like two seasons out of those 15yrs), but not muscaria.
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you sure it's not just a variation of muscaria? certainly looks like muscaria to me. and apparently there is even a green version of it.
out here it is all the classic bright/hard red though. though i did also spot what i thought was pantherina a while ago.
here's the specimen i saw:
 you can see the gills and veil are missing.
anyhoo i did bring home a small fruit, i could try to clone that.
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ohh on the cultivation of these things, i did notice something interesting. the place where these things grow is at the moment covered in tree seeds and pods, and both the pods and seeds themselves seem to be extremely receptive to being infected by mycelium. i have seen several of them being infected from simply lying against the base of a mushroom.
i wonder if the seeds might have something to do with the way it achieves the symbiosis.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria (I know not the most trusted source for citing stuff)
https://erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_muscaria_formosa.shtml (seems some ppl hate erowid here)
http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/dec99.html (I dunno how much to trust this, however it describes the different colors by region)
EDIT: Amanita muscaria (all fly agaric) has several variations, not just Amanita's.
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: DrCrumbs]
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tom volk is most definitely trust worthy 
but still that yellow one is not a muscaria, i'm not sure of its real name cause there are so many amanitas out there.
all mushrooms change color by weather and age, its nothing special for muscarias.
edit: of course I could be wrong. but I really dont think so, I'll try to find the scientific or english name for those yellow ones.
edit2: or try the ID forum, those guys are walking talking libraries when it comes to ID'ing mushrooms!
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spacechildo said: tom volk is most definitely trust worthy 
but still that yellow one is not a muscaria, i'm not sure of its real name cause there are so many amanitas out there.
all mushrooms change color by weather and age, its nothing special for muscarias.
edit: of course I could be wrong. but I really dont think so, I'll try to find the scientific or english name for those yellow ones.
edit2: or try the ID forum, those guys are walking talking libraries when it comes to ID'ing mushrooms!
i am familiar with Amanita pantherina, which starts out golden brown and turns into a golden yellow as it matures.
also i think you can cut down on the possibilities and see what is known to grow in your specific area.
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yeah its not a pantherina, they look much darker than that and usually dont have that shape. i'm still not confident in ID*ing pantherinas, a lot of different amanitas grow around here.
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I mean I dunno I could be totally wrong (I also just pulled this pic, but its what they look like up north).
Sorry to go off topic with this we should have probably started a new thread. Growing up this what we found and treated as normal ones. I really like this thread and would like to try this now, and grab a specimen from up north.
Amanita muscaria var. formosa is what Tom id'ed as the yellow ones.
Wiki: Amanita muscaria var. formosa sensu Thiers or Amanita muscaria var. guessowii
The wiki pictures are exactly what I've seen (I know two dif var.'s).
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spacechildo said: yeah its not a pantherina, they look much darker than that and usually dont have that shape. i'm still not confident in ID*ing pantherinas, a lot of different amanitas grow around here.
It's definitely a muscaria. Possibly var formosa. Post it in the hunting and id forum and they'll tell you its a muscaria
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lol guess what i found on my way to buy some weed :P
i found 3 specimens suitable for printing. it appears to be another variety then the deep red i found before or the light orange posted above. i forgot to take pics before printing, but all the attributes match A. muscaria.

the caps were dirty as hell so i didn't bother with any cleanliness measures.
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after only a few hours i can already clearly see the spores  we should get some nice fat prints out of this.
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Is there any possibility to germinate em on a barley grains or millet?
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: oontribe]
#22427496 - 10/24/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There may be some methods that could work like watering potted trees of the right species with spore slurries(very hit and miss) also growing these tree species in tissue culture and then attempting to germinate spores in these cultures may be an interesting experiment, the spores of Amanita spp may have a dormancy period or may be only viable for a short period of time after dispersal. Taking tissue samples from fresh fruit bodies directly to tissue culture grown trees may also be an interesting experiment. I'm interested to see if anyone can provide any useful data regarding these experiments not only for Amanita but for other Ectomycorrhizal Fungi also. Good luck.
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Peyote Road said: Why can't it refer to both? The physical sun which gives light to the world, is the physical representation of the spiritual sun which gives light to the soul, which is physically represented by amanita muscaria.
because jesus is the resurrectee, not the resurrector. jesus spends 3 days in a tomb because he is dead, waiting to be resurrected. not waiting to start resurrecting others. and don't forget jesus was a latter invention created nearly a millennium after the oldest known version of the story. the mushroom does not refer to jesus, jesus refers to the mushroom.
BTW: does anyone else want amanita prints? i'm pretty sure i have a decent shot at getting some from the wild here.
id be willing to trade you print for print if that is feasible?
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: kushroom]
#22427768 - 10/24/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sure. i wanna take one more trip at least to see if i can find any more of the dark reds and maybe some others before i start sending them n stuff.
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: kushroom]
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doubletapped.
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Managed to get 6 prints
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scored 3 more prints from the other location, though these seem to be the same variety, i didn't see the deep red ones this time.
though i wonder if the color isn't also influenced by conditions.
anyways i'm gonna try to print these twice too so ill have 6 of each and then ill send them in pairs. ill keep one set for myself so ill have 5 sets to trade or give away.
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I'm curious to see someone bust out a mono of these
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: YaMoonSun]
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I think you cant cultivate em!
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: oontribe]
#22466109 - 11/02/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Idk for sure...but yeah I don't think they grow indoors
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Re: Living bread upate [Re: LocN9ne]
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it's been said a couple times here already, they're mycorrhizal and need a (pine) trees roots to grow. there's a dude in GMM who picked one and stuck in a tub and it kept growing, he has the pic in his sig. dont remember which one of them right now..
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natedawgnow
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It's mr. cloudy
He picked a pin from the wild, bulb still attached and buried it in a mono tub substrate. If the bulb is still intact, then they have all the genetics and nutrients they need to grow to maturity, but it also wasn't a muscaria, it was a panth or something like that.
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spacechildo
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yep that's him! Thanks!
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natedawgnow
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No problem!
It's from this thread, scroll down to see the pics.
He's a pretty bad ass and knowledgeable member
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DaveyJones6911
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ok so i'm ready to start sending some of these out.
since spirit_shadow offered to trade cube prints he gets to go first :P
Grim767 and kushroom also expressed an interest, anyone else?
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DaveyJones6911
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unfortunately it seems i did not properly dry out the prints and they are all going green 
i will have to try this again after some rain.
oh well practice makes perfect i guess, and there will be more chances to print amanita i'm sure.
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