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Groo
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Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!)
#22410467 - 10/20/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Grandma says edible mushrooms when put into direct contact with garlic; The garlic will always stay white.
In the case of poison it will oxidize the garlic green blue ect.
Anyone hear of such a thing? Grandma is like a million ears old and hunting mushroms as long as time has been ticking. I would dream of a lady of her stature to never speech out of line with spoken word. \
Speaking in unsure generalities percluding to mushrooms is idiotic at best. Hence thereto I must bregrudiatingly allow a public opinion to aquire some gettothobbomofthisshitness.
Now then Please tell me if anyone knows anything about this "Myth."
Edited by Groo (10/20/15 05:58 PM)
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Groo]
#22410515 - 10/20/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love "folk lore" and give a lot of credence to knowledge possessed by elders...but that one sounds far too simplistic to be true. I'd vote "myth" but there IS a way to test it using modern methods. Just use known edibles versus known poisonous mushrooms that are foraged this time of year.
No big deal there. Frankly, it doesn't sound as reliable as my Field Guide to N. American Mushrooms, though. 
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Groo]
#22410552 - 10/20/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Garlic can not be used to detect any mushroom toxins.
The fact that your grandmother is still alive illustrates how safe it is to eat random mushrooms. Or perhaps she only picks a few that she knows and does not use the garlic test.
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Groo
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#22411209 - 10/20/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well folks, Looks like This one is busted. Thank you to Nature Boy Alan RockefellerM (Trusted Identifier.) Every time I have some one ansawer my ? Especially a TI I always feel the biggest respect and gratitude to the Mushroom Community.. Thanks guys. She is pretty open minded. She is seeking treatment for a serious neurological disease. Shes ramping up her knowledge so she can heal brains in a most fungal way perhaps. Every single mushroom I find I can ID 100% we add it to her ongoing medical regement. From Pollen to bee propolis, essential oils to, ganoderma and other mushrooms birch poly pore ect to cabbage compresses and visits from her grandson. I pray she will live forever..
I will get to the bottom the mushroom garlic thing with her and see where tha came from and despell her mind of it. Unless I can find it is truly based in fact which all are welcome to check and try themselves and let me know if you tried something please!..
Edited by Groo (10/20/15 08:54 PM)
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Groo]
#22411240 - 10/20/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The mushroom for neurological issues is Hericium erinaceus.
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#22411262 - 10/20/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: The mushroom for neurological issues is Hericium erinaceus.
Sorry to hijack, but do you know any for mood stabilising?
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#22411299 - 10/20/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually most medicinal mushrooms do absolutely nothing. I know of none that are said to stabilize mood except for psilocybin, which also destabilize moods.
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Groo
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#22411323 - 10/20/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Groo
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#22411340 - 10/20/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hericium erinaceus. Prepared in which way is best suggested also what is your personal opinion about Nomsumpsion regularity. Cost is of low/no consideration. Raw looked raw dried powedered. compress on skin raw?
Abstract
A double-blind, parallel-group, placebo-controlled trial was performed on 50- to 80-year-old Japanese men and women diagnosed with mild cognitive impairment in order to examine the efficacy of oral administration of Yamabushitake (Hericium erinaceus), an edible mushroom, for improving cognitive impairment, using a cognitive function scale based on the Revised Hasegawa Dementia Scale (HDS-R). After 2 weeks of preliminary examination, 30 subjects were randomized into two 15-person groups, one of which was given Yamabushitake and the other given a placebo. The subjects of the Yamabushitake group took four 250 mg tablets containing 96% of Yamabushitake dry powder three times a day for 16 weeks. After termination of the intake, the subjects were observed for the next 4 weeks. At weeks 8, 12 and 16 of the trial, the Yamabushitake group showed significantly increased scores on the cognitive function scale compared with the placebo group. The Yamabushitake group's scores increased with the duration of intake, but at week 4 after the termination of the 16 weeks intake, the scores decreased significantly. Laboratory tests showed no adverse effect of Yamabushitake. The results obtained in this study suggest that Yamabushitake is effective in improving mild cognitive impairment.
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#22411362 - 10/20/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would encourage everyone so far involved in this conversion to read the opening and concluding paragraphs (that's two paragraphs, friends).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3339609/
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#22411380 - 10/20/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: Actually most medicinal mushrooms do absolutely nothing for mood.
There, fixed it.
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: The Lightning]
#22411462 - 10/20/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Lightning said: I would encourage everyone so far involved in this conversion to read the opening and concluding paragraphs (that's two paragraphs, friends).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3339609/
It's because of studies like that that I make a point to eat raw maitake once in a while, even though I find eating any and all mushrooms revolting. Actually, I've been recently considering adding a piece of maitake to my fruit smoothie every day.
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: DavidReishi]
#22411484 - 10/20/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
DavidReishi said:
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Alan Rockefeller said: Actually most medicinal mushrooms do absolutely nothing for mood.
There, fixed it.
Oops. I misunderstood.
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: DavidReishi]
#22411524 - 10/20/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
DavidReishi said:
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Alan Rockefeller said: Actually most medicinal mushrooms do absolutely nothing for mood.
There, fixed it.
I meant that they do nothing in general. No one knows when they should be taken, how many to take, etc. Most of the people who are super enthusiastic about them are making money from it. In my opinion this is basically taking advantage of sick people.
I have seen lots of people with cancer rely on medicinal mushrooms, thinking that they could cure cancer with mushrooms (or mushrooms + chemo + radiation, which is what I recommend). Most of those people are dead now.
I have read the clinical trial data on pubmed, and I am not impressed. They seem to do something, for some people, some times.....But just barely.
A couple times I tried to cure my colds with Trametes / Ganoderma, and I got even sicker than I usually get.
Another time I told some people that it was safe to make tea from a Ganoderma, and it would be good for them. They experienced nausea and lightheadedness and dizzyness which stopped when they stopped taking the Ganoderma tea. I no longer recommend that people take medicine unless they are sick.
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#22411609 - 10/20/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those are all fair points, but I think a connection is being made here between wild-harvested, ingested fungi to fight disease.
These studies are interested in making a different connection: Taking a standardized amount of a mushroom chemical to heal a specific condition. That's a significant leap.
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#22411716 - 10/20/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
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DavidReishi said:
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Alan Rockefeller said: Actually most medicinal mushrooms do absolutely nothing for mood.
There, fixed it.
I meant that they do nothing in general. No one knows when they should be taken, how many to take, etc. Most of the people who are super enthusiastic about them are making money from it. In my opinion this is basically taking advantage of sick people.
I have seen lots of people with cancer rely on medicinal mushrooms, thinking that they could cure cancer with mushrooms (or mushrooms + chemo + radiation, which is what I recommend). Most of those people are dead now.
I have read the clinical trial data on pubmed, and I am not impressed. They seem to do something, for some people, some times.....But just barely.
A couple times I tried to cure my colds with Trametes / Ganoderma, and I got even sicker than I usually get.
Another time I told some people that it was safe to make tea from a Ganoderma, and it would be good for them. They experienced nausea and lightheadedness and dizzyness which stopped when they stopped taking the Ganoderma tea. I no longer recommend that people take medicine unless they are sick.
"I meant that they do nothing in general." Right, but look at your argument. You give your verb do such a limited meaning...imprisoned in the realm of personal anecdotes. Do can also refer to those things scientists around the world are finding on a daily basis that medicinal mushrooms do in the human body.
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Re: Is my grandma crazy? (Musrhoom Identification Myths and the busting thereof!) [Re: DavidReishi]
#22412530 - 10/21/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sure eating some mushrooms some of the time might heal some people a little bit sometimes. But when you do everything in the book it gives you the best fighitng chance.. Sleep well low stress eating 100% organic and well. Dr huld clarks zapper, exercise.
Freshly capped bee brood honey (crushed mixed with honey.
Zeolite, bentonite clay., Kombucha, obbeswa tea. The list goes on and on and on aond on and we are doing them constantly. Moomia, soon psillysybhun, andmore. Visits from grandson, BIG Whole house dehumidifier, Doing JUST enough yard work that Grandma can finish the rest pretty easy but still have to work hard (for an old layday.) I told grandma as soon as she stopsworking in the yard shes gonna die. So shes been working in the yard for close to 80 years now... Also her frineds have been commenting at her lack of shaking lately since the freshly capped brood honey.
Grandma WILL live forever. Positive thought. ect.
Edited by Groo (10/21/15 08:00 AM)
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