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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Is your POV biologically scripted?
    #22409186 - 10/20/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Biologically scripted by neuro-trasmitter ratios which predispose you to thinking and feeling a certain way?  Or is our POV pure consciousness (what ever that means)?


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #22409207 - 10/20/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd go with the former. I don't think awareness has a POV. It just is. More and more, I think awareness & love are one & the same.


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22409223 - 10/20/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So you're POV isn't generated from the sensory input of your body?


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #22409236 - 10/20/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Its quite obvious an lsd or psilocin molecule has profound changes on consciousness, so of course it is influenced by neurochemistry, but the channel for the transmissions remains the same. There is only awareness.


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Khancious]
    #22409256 - 10/20/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I suspect my POV is generated by neurological processes in the brain. That's all.


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22409370 - 10/20/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do we have any free will over our thoughts and feelings if they are decided by the ratio of neuro-transmitters in the brain or other scripted biological processes?


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #22409432 - 10/20/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No idea man, I kinda lose interest when free will enters a discussion. Whether we do or not, my life won't change!!

Sorry I've got nothing useful to add brother!


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #22409473 - 10/20/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Everybody knows something as simple as being hungry can make folks cranky on occasion. And being ill or in pain long term can lead to depression.
On another level genetics also has effects on mind as well as body.
Some people inherit certain talents for example.
So we have predispositions.

On the other hand some individuals, like Zen monks for example, gain great control over the body-mind.

So it would seem being more mindful is a work in progress if one so chooses. In the Gurdjieff tradition this is called 'self remembering'.
'Mindfulness' may be a modern translation of a Buddhist word.

They say it ani't easy.

On a secular level the army uses basic training and such like to train men to overcome their predispositions. This is discipline from the outside.

As predispositions and 'self-ish' habits are so difficult to overcome some folks join ashrams and monasteries etc., to get the help of outside discipline to realize the subtleties of awareness you refer to.


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #22409564 - 10/20/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Biologically scripted by neuro-trasmitter ratios which predispose you to thinking and feeling a certain way?  Or is our POV pure consciousness (what ever that means)?




Both? A biological-machine to sustain the brain, the brain to be conscious.
Self is composed of body and mind, both are biological in form and will behave as such.
While consciousness is present with reason unknown as of yet, but seemingly continues to take some presence in decision making.


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #22410021 - 10/20/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think one's point of view is not only biologically determined, but also and perhaps to an equal extent culturally as well.  Hardware and software both play a fundamental role.  And of course language shapes what and how we think in a very major way, and that's cultural. 

I do not feel we choose how we think or what the contents of our thoughts are, for the most part.  There are always certain exceptions, whatever they might be.  But I do feel in certain very limited ways our conscious faculty can be efficacious in our behavior.  It's all very complicated.


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #22411151 - 10/20/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yup, it appears so. Perception (point of view) and reaction create our emotional responses and in turn our conscience.


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: sudly]
    #22411167 - 10/20/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've stated my views above, but I think conscience is a little more complex than you're making it out to be.  I don't think it involves just emotional responses.


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Re: Is your POV biologically scripted? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22412189 - 10/21/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that the type of conscience someone has is shaped by their culture but I believe the actual conscience itself isn't. In my view a rudimentary conscience really is just the ability to have control of perception.


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