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GeneralShroom
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B+ are these aborts?
#22407170 - 10/20/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi,
I've noticed two things on the first flush of B+ cake (rye + verm):
- bluish streak along some of the caps - brown spots at the base of some stems - thinner stems right beneath the cap
The cake itself seems to be healthy - no visible molds or bacterias. Cakes are sitting in SGFC.
Check out the photo:

For brown spots - look at the fruitbodies at the right - what is it? For bluish streaks - they are on most of the fruitbodies
Clubbase wrote in the article - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18381574 that bluish streaks can be aborts - but can grown fruitbodies (not pins) be aborts too?
And I don't know what to think of these brown spots...
Thanks in advance for your suggestions
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not aborting but they are dry, hence all the fuzz
no clue about the brown spots, maybe something got on them?
i wouldn't worry unless it is growing
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: micro]
#22407197 - 10/20/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Should I mist them with spray more often, and then fan, so as to evaporate some of the sprayed water?
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are you using an actual mister? as opposed to a spray bottle
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: micro]
#22407210 - 10/20/15 04:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you are - then no, there is no reason or desire to evaporate any of the water the mushrooms need
if you are using a spray bottle I'd probably say spray the perlite and maybe the walls a bit and make sure it's covered
uncased like that makes it easy to dry out
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: micro]
#22407231 - 10/20/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is wet vermiculite at the bottom, I don't use additional mister. I just spray the water at the walls. But seems like not often enough.
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LocN9ne
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good job on the shrooms they look good, if those to the right do abort...fuck it...the rest look healthy AF...don't spray the walls, it doesn't matter how heavily you do mist them, them walls just will not pin.
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: micro]
#22407239 - 10/20/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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micro said: not aborting but they are dry, hence all the fuzz
no clue about the brown spots, maybe something got on them?
i wouldn't worry unless it is growing
Fuzz is an indication of high humidity. They also have large disfigured stipes which indicates high CO2, though not too bad.
The brown spots may be bacteria due to stagnant conditions, not sure. I'd eat'm either way. Let them bacteria burn in the acidy hell of your stomach.
The large fruits are not aborts. Those little guys that are downing in fuzz are on their way to being aborts.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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no, it is not a sign of co2
what does mycelium do when you case it?
why does it do that?
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: micro]
#22407257 - 10/20/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Brown spots seems to be Verticillium, which apparently appears with humid, stall air.
I'm confused - is that kind of fuzz an indicator of high humidity or low?
Edited by GeneralShroom (10/20/15 05:33 AM)
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low
it is increasing its surface area
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: micro]
#22407273 - 10/20/15 05:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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All right 
Seems like the solution may be - increase the humidity and fan more often.
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I've always found fuzz appears in high humidity low FAE conditions, as I believe most others have. Afaik vert doesn't grow if there's good air exchange, and you wouldn't have those deformed fatty tapering stems with more FAE either.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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I have to disagree. Fuzzy feet IME are either genetic or a symptom of low FAE. Signs of dryness are cracking caps and yellowing of the substrate. A fuzzy substrate is the colony repairing and recolonizing. If conditions were too dry it would be unable to do this. While the substrate is not really moist, I would not yet call it dry, its a bit on the fence. But those stipes are clearly from poor FAE. Small caps and necrosis on the stipe from either pseudomonias or verticillium would also support that as both thrive in anaerobic conditions and cannot tolerate high FAE.
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22407299 - 10/20/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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now it's FAE
Explain to me what that means again, in scientific terms.
I know it is airflow but I don't quite remember how it differers from non-FAE airflow :V
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: micro]
#22407308 - 10/20/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good FAE for cubes is generally considered to be CO2 levels below 600ppm. We usually suggest between 3 -6 air exchanges per hour to keep levels from getting too high. When they exceed that there are definitive phenotypical responses to the elevated levels. Responses like these will happen with nearly all species though the levels needed and whether the results are considered undesireable will vary.
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: micro]
#22407315 - 10/20/15 06:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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also, it is definitely *not* too humid in there
there is zero condensation
there is also zero anything to hold in moisture and there are holes in it
get some perlite at least, you can add water to that
make sure the myc is not directly on the perlite though
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22407320 - 10/20/15 06:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Good FAE for cubes is generally considered to be CO2 levels below 600ppm. We usually suggest between 3 -6 air exchanges per hour to keep levels from getting too high. When they exceed that there are definitive phenotypical responses to the elevated levels. Responses like these will happen with nearly all species though the levels needed and whether the results are considered undesireable will vary.
with casing that could work
with the above, obviously it won't
and yeah, less co2 is better especially when fruiting
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: micro]
#22407348 - 10/20/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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micro said:
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Pastywhyte said: Good FAE for cubes is generally considered to be CO2 levels below 600ppm. We usually suggest between 3 -6 air exchanges per hour to keep levels from getting too high. When they exceed that there are definitive phenotypical responses to the elevated levels. Responses like these will happen with nearly all species though the levels needed and whether the results are considered undesireable will vary.
with casing that could work
with the above, obviously it won't
and yeah, less co2 is better especially when fruiting
How would casing make a difference in this situation?
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Re: B+ are these aborts? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22407359 - 10/20/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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holds in moisture
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