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The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article)
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Article I threw together about memes and psychology and stuffs.
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In this article, we will discuss the feedback cycle through which memes instantiate, propagate, resonate, and mutate: the axiological transmutation.

I know I made another thread with the image but I didn't have an accompanying article yet so don't close this please.
Discuss intelligently.
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functional tension in the field of consciousness? that sounds super dum
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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It's a complex way of saying that new ideas are trying be measured against old ideas to find a good mental fit.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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Nice flow chart
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But its not, you're losing sight of common ground and turning a phrase into something nobody else really understands but you. Nobody thinks of that when they hear that. Even with you explaining it it still doesnt make any sense the way its phrased. "Functional tension between mental orthodoxy and new ideas" might be a little more effective at conveying your ideas to other people.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: But its not, you're losing sight of common ground and turning a phrase into something nobody else really understands but you. Nobody thinks of that when they hear that. Even with you explaining it it still doesnt make any sense the way its phrased. "Functional tension between mental orthodoxy and new ideas" might be a little more effective at conveying your ideas to other people.
Not so subtle "I didn't read the article and am I just complaining about how I opened up a book and I don't understand one of the diagrams on one of its pages" post.
It's not just "orthodox" or "new" ideas. It's just functional tension. It's a mental tension brought about an idea that is trying to incorporate itself somehow into one's worldview.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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It's evolution or how we change and grow ideas. The internet is classic for this;pressing boundries on our previous knowledge.
Like James says "we are these changes, hallelujay*" .[flash=,]http://flash]
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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I've read through you're article twice, that specific term is the least expanded on. Its not even mentioned in your first example, and in my opinion it is the one that's most relevant to the evolution of memes. I dont know how well you take criticism, personally I welcome it with whatever I do but your writing could use some work. Its difficult to read, and I dont think its because its beyond my comprehension.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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LMAO if you think that is difficult to read I feel bad for you dude. I work really hard to break things down into the simplest terms possible without compromising semantic integrity. In any case, I didn't "invent" this cycle, the image was located on a philosophy forum and I am simply discussing it. Sorry it's hard for you to see past the words to the ideas being conveyed. And functional tension in the field of consciousness IS mentioned in the first example, just not "by name": "The idea then spreads on the internet, and begins to resonate first at the level of mind, as simply a set of facts and a theory." I don't want to bog the reader down with memorizing a system of terminology: I'm not trying to "push this meme" (the axiological transmutation scheme), to sell a theory that is true. The truth of the theory isn't that important, and neither are the terms it is cached out in. The point is for people to register what is going on at the level of social dialogue, so that they can be more conscientious about what they what they say and do.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: I work really hard to break things down into the simplest terms possible without compromising semantic integrity.
my ass u did. u were actually trying to sound smart. 
anyway u were making sense at the beginning but then u kinda went off the grid there like half way through the article..
i get what u were trying to say though, i think u did a pretty good job for the most part.. u've got the foundation down, but u need to rough draft that shit and make a final version or wutever
in simplest terms, its got potential.  
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: zZZz]
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"without compromising semantic integrity" is compromising semantic integrity, its called "double-speak".
For example, why not just say "I kept it in its simplest terms." the rest is implied.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: hTx]
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wow. just, wow. trying to sound smart? give me a fucking break.
it's called having ideas and using the words the mean what you the ideas you want to convey. sorry my article on the specific mechanisms through which memes spread through and influence society isn't written in "fucks" and "shits"
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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Do you think Neil DeGrasse Tyson is "trying to sound smart" when he talks about physics? Should he be like "Den u know like da electron be changin positions yo"
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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u said spread hhhuh hhuh
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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calm down there buddy, i like it.
essentially it boils down to the butterfly effect, a phrase, a picture, or some unintelligible utterance takes on a deeper if not artistic meaning or idea and influences society.
its why i feel we should continually challenge what we know, if even just a little bit, it could potentially snowball into something great.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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some people gottem some people dont 
for example Terrence mckenna, he got em, they come natural to him,
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I've read through you're article twice, that specific term is the least expanded on. Its not even mentioned in your first example, and in my opinion it is the one that's most relevant to the evolution of memes. I dont know how well you take criticism, personally I welcome it with whatever I do but your writing could use some work. Its difficult to read, and I dont think its because its beyond my comprehension.
like i said before, stress. stress.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted] 2
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morrowasted said: Do you think Neil DeGrasse Tyson is "trying to sound smart" when he talks about physics? Should he be like "Den u know like da electron be changin positions yo"
Neil degrasse tyson doesnt use fancy words to obfuscate. He's successful because he can communicate complex ideas and concepts in simple terms and analogies. If you can't simplify you dont really understand it. Not everyone here thinks about this stuff all the time like you so you can't expect us to get it exactly how you get it. I think ultimately you just want to show off all the fancy words and terms you know to tell everyone how smart you are. And your defensiveness is just making you into an ass.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
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In the past I've seen some of morrow's stuff that I thought at the time was intended to be unreadable by non-initiates to his field of study (or maybe it's not intentional, I don't know,) but in this case I wouldn't say that. The title is likely to be pretty incomprehensible to many people without a dictionary in reach, but IMO the article itself is written in a very readable style for the most part, and the examples he's chosen are pretty easy to relate to. Good piece of writing overall I would say.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
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morrowasted said: Do you think Neil DeGrasse Tyson is "trying to sound smart" when he talks about physics? Should he be like "Den u know like da electron be changin positions yo"
Neil degrasse tyson doesnt use fancy words to obfuscate. He's successful because he can communicate complex ideas and concepts in simple terms and analogies. If you can't simplify you dont really understand it. Not everyone here thinks about this stuff all the time like you so you can't expect us to get it exactly how you get it. I think ultimately you just want to show off all the fancy words and terms you know to tell everyone how smart you are. And your defensiveness is just making you into an ass.
good lord, you people are ridiculous. stop thinking of words as "big" or "small". some words just have more specific meanings that convey more specific kinds of ideas. You're obviously not a writer. I didn't even use the word obfuscate in the article by the way
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: psi]
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psi said: In the past I've seen some of morrow's stuff that I thought at the time was intended to be unreadable by non-initiates to his field of study (or maybe it's not intentional, I don't know,) but in this case I wouldn't say that. The title is likely to be pretty incomprehensible to many people without a dictionary in reach, but IMO the article itself is written in a very readable style for the most part, and the examples he's chosen are pretty easy to relate to. Good piece of writing overall I would say.
Thanks, psi
Believe it or not, I try pretty hard to make my stuff readable to a general audience these days. As you know, in the past it was a lot more technical. And that is NOT because I used to want to "sound even smarter" than I do now, it just because, oh, you know, I was in graduate school in the field I was writing about and I happened to know a lot about it (in the case of linguistics), or had had a job related to what I was talking about and knew a lot about it (in the case of neuroscience).
I could just as easily turn this around and say that you guys are "trying to sound dumb" by using "small words."
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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people take offence over people's "smarts"...LOL.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: akira_akuma]
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It has nothing to do with "smArts", Thats the problem..
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no, it has to do with being unfamiliar with using language in a certain kind of way, such that using language in that way gives you the impression that people only do so in order to "make themselves seem X"
"thugs talk like thugs to make themselves them thuggish"
"geeks talk like geeks to make themselves seem geeky"
"academics use big words to make themselves seem smarter"
no. no. no.
people use the words they do because those are the words they have been exposed to that covey the kind of meaning they want to convey. When you want to convey very specific kinds of meaning without writing wordy and potentially vague sentences, you end up using less common words.
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morrowasted said: LMAO if you think that is difficult to read I feel bad for you dude. I work really hard to break things down into the simplest terms possible without compromising semantic integrity. In any case, I didn't "invent" this cycle, the image was located on a philosophy forum and I am simply discussing it. Sorry it's hard for you to see past the words to the ideas being conveyed. And functional tension in the field of consciousness IS mentioned in the first example, just not "by name": "The idea then spreads on the internet, and begins to resonate first at the level of mind, as simply a set of facts and a theory." I don't want to bog the reader down with memorizing a system of terminology: I'm not trying to "push this meme" (the axiological transmutation scheme), to sell a theory that is true. The truth of the theory isn't that important, and neither are the terms it is cached out in. The point is for people to register what is going on at the level of social dialogue, so that they can be more conscientious about what they what they say and do.
A philosophy forum, one full of people who've studied this type of subject matter for years. Which is almost precisely why its written in a dense, expert style format. Even with you elucidating on a few points theres still a very wide swath of knowledge anyone would have to be privy too to fully understand it in the manner its written. Which is stupid since your writing about a phenomenon that thrives on simple, easy to understand templates, and im positive that 75% of the chaff is simply there to look flashy in research articles. Half the shit really istn even necessary. Metaphysics in particular, like what in the fuck does that have to do with memes?
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 4
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Oh look,
Another one of morrow's "I'm so fuckin smart" threads
Get over yourself bro
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Im curious to how whoever wrote this decided that these four elements were absolutely fundamental to the evolution of memes. That you could really boil down something as loose as learned behavior down to four domains, and decide that those really were the definitive variables involved or even a few of the most pertinent. What else out there could possibly effect the propagation and evolution of mimetic behaviour? What effect does mob mentality have on them? or media and by extension economics? How much of this article is just loose amorphous bullshit that sounds pleasant to the ears? I might not have the linguistic furnishings that come with philosophic study, but I know enough to be thoroughly unimpressed with this articles substance, and direction.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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if you don't like the way the article is written, fine. don't like it.
the simple fact of the matter is that it is NOT amorphous bullshit that sounds pleasing to the ear, it is an article with a SERIOUS message about how the boundaries of conversation are dictated. this message has very SERIOUS implications in your life. the way you think about the world is structured by the dialogue of the culture in which you live, which is structured by the process I have outlined in my article. it is not my fault that you cannot see the forest for the trees.
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Another one of morrow's "I'm so fuckin smart" threads
Get over yourself bro 
oh look, another one of Malcolm_Xtasy's "I'm too cool for school" replies
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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ur threads about ur drug fueled escapades in indonesia i think it was, now those were well written.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted] 2
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I'm not even sure why you're so upset. I read your article three times and it just seems like you're too caught up on being wordy instead of getting your point across.
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I was in graduate school in the field I was writing about and I happened to know a lot about it (in the case of linguistics), or had had a job related to what I was talking about and knew a lot about it (in the case of neuroscience).
What happened with graduate school? Also, I'm curious as to what job you held regarding neuroscience.
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morrowasted said: if you don't like the way the article is written, fine. don't like it.
the simple fact of the matter is that it is NOT amorphous bullshit that sounds pleasing to the ear, it is an article with a SERIOUS message about how the boundaries of conversation are dictated. this message has very SERIOUS implications in your life. the way you think about the world is structured by the dialogue of the culture in which you live, which is structured by the process I have outlined in my article. it is not my fault that you cannot see the forest for the trees.
Theres several other variables I can think of that would easily hold just as much if not more sway on behavioral evolution then the 4 you listed. Physical form, emotional architecture, and language. Your picture of it is so laughably incomplete, and I can tell by the way you talk about your grand article you think its really something definitive and up there in value. You're touching on something so immensely broad that trying to boil it down to four talking points is nothing less then stupid.
Oh also
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Nah man he actually tried super hard to dumb it down for us. I guess we're just too stupid.
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I was in graduate school in the field I was writing about and I happened to know a lot about it (in the case of linguistics), or had had a job related to what I was talking about and knew a lot about it (in the case of neuroscience).
What happened with graduate school? Also, I'm curious as to what job you held regarding neuroscience.
If you think that article is wordy, you're a fucking imbecile.
I failed out of grad school. I worked as a research assistant in a cognitive neuropsych lab during undergrad.
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morrowasted said: if you don't like the way the article is written, fine. don't like it.
the simple fact of the matter is that it is NOT amorphous bullshit that sounds pleasing to the ear, it is an article with a SERIOUS message about how the boundaries of conversation are dictated. this message has very SERIOUS implications in your life. the way you think about the world is structured by the dialogue of the culture in which you live, which is structured by the process I have outlined in my article. it is not my fault that you cannot see the forest for the trees.
Theres several other variables I can think of that would easily hold just as much if not more sway on behavioral evolution then the 4 you listed. Physical form, emotional architecture, and language. Your picture of it is so laughably incomplete, and I can tell by the way you talk about your grand article you think its really something definitive and up there in value. You're touching on something so immensely broad that trying to boil it down to four talking points is nothing less then stupid.
Oh also

By all means, if you have something to contribute to the picture, please do so. But don't accuse me of "losing sight of common ground and turning a phrase into something nobody else really understands but me" and then turn around and use phrases like "emotional architecture". Also, Einstein can't elaborate the theory of general or special relativity in "simple terms" and be honest about what it means. He can create analogies to get people to arrive at an approximate understanding of relativity, but the theory of relativity itself cannot be elaborated in "simple terms."
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If you think that article is wordy, you're a fucking imbecile.
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I failed out of grad school.
Oh ok man. I'm the imbecile?
How did you manage to fail out of something you're obviously so good at? Your professors probably told you your papers were too wordy and you got all butthurt and told them to fuck off.
You might wanna get your keyboard checked out, bro. You should also look up the phrase "diarrhea of the keyboard" to get a more comprehensive explanation of your affliction
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Which is no different then you creating analogies so people can arrive at a basic understanding of the concepts your trying to convey, as it is your ideas are nothing more then over-educated bullshit that looks good on paper. Functional tension in the field of consciousness he says? Must be grade A shit! The point is that every single thing you get qurried on requires multiple, lengthy replies to accurately describe what it is you were accurately trying to state, and its never even close to what you orginally started out with. Its like you expect everyone just to follow this stupid little dialogue you invented over the years after reading countless texts and just pop into the know. It might cover a wide base of knowledge but its plain fucking stupid in the way its presented.
Axiological transmutation sounds like super duper cool though, and even that word is used incorrectly.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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I'm beginning to suspect that this is the crux of the matter. The real issue here is that it you both seem to be self-absorbed idiots with highly skewed perspectives. Solve that problem, and your understanding of what I've written ought to clear right up. Plenty of other people have read, understood, enjoyed, and responded to what I've written in useful and meaningful ways throughout the internet. They obviously understood the message I was trying to get across, despite the fact that it was shrouded behind a cloak of three-and-sometimes-even-four syllable words.
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#22411265 - 10/20/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I failed out of grad school. I worked as a research assistant in a cognitive neuropsych lab during undergrad.
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LMAO if you think that is difficult to read I feel bad for you dude.

that's not very nice. the majority of the people here who read your article probably aren't too pleased with those comments i quoted above. you know there's been lots of great thinkers throughout history who were illiterate?
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Oh ok man. I'm the imbecile?
How did you manage to fail out of something you're obviously so good at? Your professors probably told you your papers were too wordy and you got all butthurt and told them to fuck off.
You might wanna get your keyboard checked out, bro. You should also look up the phrase "diarrhea of the keyboard" to get a more comprehensive explanation of your affliction
I failed out of graduate school because I was addicted to oxycontin and I was teaching classes while high on oxycontin and got reported for doing so. I did well in my classes.
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Axiological transmutation sounds like super duper cool though, and even that word is used incorrectly.
I dont even know what you just said. Talk about horribly constructed sentences. No wonder I am the writer and you're not. Qurried on?
I guess the saying is true, you can't know you're doing something right until people start hating on you for doing it.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Hobozen]
#22411302 - 10/20/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LMAO if you think that is difficult to read I feel bad for you dude.

that's not very nice. the majority of the people here who read your article probably aren't too pleased with those comments i quoted above. you know there's been lots of great thinkers throughout history who were illiterate?
Are there any today? No because if you can't read in the modern age, when education is fucking mandatory, then you're an imbecile.
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#22411304 - 10/20/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm beginning to suspect that this is the crux of the matter. The real issue here is that it you both seem to be self-absorbed idiots with highly skewed perspectives. Solve that problem, and your understanding of what I've written ought to clear right up. Plenty of other people have read, understood, enjoyed, and responded to what I've written in useful and meaningful ways throughout the internet. They obviously understood the message I was trying to get across, despite the fact that it was shrouded behind a cloak of three-and-sometimes-even-four syllable words.
This is hilarious because I come into contact with people like you all the time, especially in my degree of study. If someone doesn't agree with you they're automatically dismissed as "dumb" or too" inept" to grasp your highly complex and verbose language. If you want to take personal shots at me, that's all well and good, but I'm still gonna think your little blog post is trash at the end of the day. It's just hard to take you seriously when you have an undergrad degree in spanish and clean up dog shit for a living after failing out of grad school. Please keep calling me and imbecile though, it really makes me laugh
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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It's not that you don't agree with me, it's that you're obviously an imbecile based on the content of the posts you make. Lots of people who disagree with me aren't imbeciles. Pris isn't. Zappa isn't. You are.
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#22411315 - 10/20/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now you're just full on melting, anyone whose seriously replied to this shits just been humoring you. It doesnt make any sense at any level and its an elementary take on something that so overarchingly complex that it totally flips off the tracks and eats shit long before it says anything worthwhile. Good writing, good ideas cut to the truth and are easily understood by all parties involved, because the truth is self apparent. It shouldn't take 5 paragraphs of cliffnotes to understand a single sentence.
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because the truth is self apparent

well bros, I am out of here. you all keep smoking that crack you must be smoking
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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LMAO if you think that is difficult to read I feel bad for you dude.

that's not very nice. the majority of the people here who read your article probably aren't too pleased with those comments i quoted above. you know there's been lots of great thinkers throughout history who were illiterate?
Are there any today? No
In cultures where reading isn't the norm, I'm sure you'd find many. Even a child can be extremely insightful. It's not like you'd be able to recognize them through your arrogance anyway.
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well bros, I am out of here. you all keep smoking that crack you must be smoking
"functional tension in the field of conscious" "Metaphysics" "Bio-kinetic resonance"
Good luck bro, whatever you're smoking is stronger then what we got.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: It's not that you don't agree with me, it's that you're obviously an imbecile based on the content of the posts you make. Lots of people who disagree with me aren't imbeciles. Pris isn't. Zappa isn't. You are.
You're obviously upset. You should probably take a few deep breaths and collect yourself. I'm sure its way past Zappas bedtime anyway. If he's still up I'd recommend your blog post instead of his nightly dose of ambien. It seems like a safer and more natural method for treating insomnia.
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Arnt you in the last year of neuroscience or something? Thats probably got him pretty upset since he bombed out of it even with all his big words.
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#22411367 - 10/20/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morrowasted is up there with Deepak Chopra in the ability to string a lot of words together and say nothing. Functional, tension, field, and consciousness all have their own meaning but string them together and it's just chicken scratch.
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#22411385 - 10/20/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Arnt you in the last year of neuroscience or something? Thats probably got him pretty upset since he bombed out of it even with all his big words.
Yeah man I'm taking my last two classes now. Done in December
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Exactly, The only reason I'm calling him out is because I used the same style of writing for my philosophy of mind/cognitive science papers. I would say a whole bunch of wordy bullshit for 12-14 pages and would get a B or an A- almost every time. The difference between morrow and I is that I actually know I'm full of shit. I don't try and pass it off like I'm some genius. Hey guys I just threw together this article about functional tension and the metaphysics of biokinetic resonance. It's just something I do in my spare time when I can't fall asleep at night. Get the fuck outta here
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22411679 - 10/20/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Axiological transmutation sounds like super duper cool though, and even that word is used incorrectly.
which word is being used incorrectly? tell me, explain.

i'd love for you to explain how wrong it is.
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