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The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article)
    #22406761 - 10/19/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Article I threw together about memes and psychology and stuffs.

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In this article, we will discuss the feedback cycle through which memes instantiate, propagate, resonate, and mutate: the axiological transmutation.






I know I made another thread with the image but I didn't have an accompanying article yet so don't close this please.

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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22406772 - 10/19/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

functional tension in the field of consciousness? that sounds super dum


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22406778 - 10/20/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's a complex way of saying that new ideas are trying be measured against old ideas to find a good mental fit.


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
    #22406797 - 10/20/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nice flow chart


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #22406804 - 10/20/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

But its not, you're losing sight of common ground and turning a phrase into something nobody else really understands but you. Nobody thinks of that when they hear that. Even with you explaining it it still doesnt make any sense the way its phrased. "Functional tension between mental orthodoxy and new ideas" might be a little more effective at conveying your ideas to other people.


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22406835 - 10/20/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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But its not, you're losing sight of common ground and turning a phrase into something nobody else really understands but you. Nobody thinks of that when they hear that. Even with you explaining it it still doesnt make any sense the way its phrased. "Functional tension between mental orthodoxy and new ideas" might be a little more effective at conveying your ideas to other people.



Not so subtle "I didn't read the article and am I just complaining about how I opened up a book and I don't understand one of the diagrams on one of its pages" post.

It's not just "orthodox" or "new" ideas. It's just functional tension. It's a mental tension brought about an idea that is trying to incorporate itself somehow into one's worldview.


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
    #22406858 - 10/20/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's evolution or how we change and grow ideas. The internet is classic for this;pressing boundries on our previous knowledge.

Like James says "we are these changes, hallelujay*"
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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
    #22406880 - 10/20/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've read through you're article twice, that specific term is the least expanded on. Its not even mentioned in your first example, and in my opinion it is the one that's most relevant to the evolution of memes. I dont know how well you take criticism, personally I welcome it with whatever I do but your writing could use some work. Its difficult to read, and I dont think its because its beyond my comprehension.


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22406971 - 10/20/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

LMAO if you think that is difficult to read I feel bad for you dude. I work really hard to break things down into the simplest terms possible without compromising semantic integrity. In any case, I didn't "invent" this cycle, the image was located on a philosophy forum and I am simply discussing it. Sorry it's hard for you to see past the words to the ideas being conveyed. And functional tension in the field of consciousness IS mentioned in the first example, just not "by name": "The idea then spreads on the internet, and begins to resonate first at the level of mind, as simply a set of facts and a theory." I don't want to bog the reader down with memorizing a system of terminology: I'm not trying to "push this meme" (the axiological transmutation scheme), to sell a theory that is true. The truth of the theory isn't that important, and neither are the terms it is cached out in. The point is for people to register what is going on at the level of social dialogue, so that they can be more conscientious about what they what they say and do.


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
    #22407037 - 10/20/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I work really hard to break things down into the simplest terms possible without compromising semantic integrity.




my ass u did. u were actually trying to sound smart. :smirk:


anyway u were making sense at the beginning but then u kinda went off the grid there like half way through the article..

i get what u were trying to say though, i think u did a pretty good job for the most part.. u've got the foundation down, but u need to rough draft that shit and make a final version or wutever

in simplest terms, its got potential. :cool::thumbup:



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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: zZZz]
    #22407049 - 10/20/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

"without compromising semantic integrity" is compromising semantic integrity, its called "double-speak".

For example, why not just say "I kept it in its simplest terms." the rest is implied.


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: hTx]
    #22407072 - 10/20/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

wow. just, wow. trying to sound smart? give me a fucking break.

it's called having ideas and using the words the mean what you the ideas you want to convey. sorry my article on the specific mechanisms through which memes spread through and influence society isn't written in "fucks" and "shits"


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
    #22407075 - 10/20/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you think Neil DeGrasse Tyson is "trying to sound smart" when he talks about physics? Should he be like "Den u know like da electron be changin positions yo"


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
    #22407077 - 10/20/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

u said spread :butthead: hhhuh hhuh


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
    #22407079 - 10/20/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

calm down there buddy, i like it.

essentially it boils down to the butterfly effect, a phrase, a picture, or some unintelligible utterance takes on a deeper if not artistic meaning or idea and influences society.

its why i feel we should continually challenge what we know, if even just a little bit, it could potentially snowball into something great.


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: morrowasted]
    #22407082 - 10/20/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

some people gottem some people dont :shrug:

for example Terrence mckenna, he got em, they come natural to him,


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22408699 - 10/20/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I've read through you're article twice, that specific term is the least expanded on. Its not even mentioned in your first example, and in my opinion it is the one that's most relevant to the evolution of memes. I dont know how well you take criticism, personally I welcome it with whatever I do but your writing could use some work. Its difficult to read, and I dont think its because its beyond my comprehension.



like i said before, stress. stress.


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    #22408852 - 10/20/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you think Neil DeGrasse Tyson is "trying to sound smart" when he talks about physics? Should he be like "Den u know like da electron be changin positions yo"



Neil degrasse tyson doesnt use fancy words to obfuscate. He's successful because he can communicate complex ideas and concepts in simple terms and analogies. If you can't simplify you dont really understand it. Not everyone here thinks about this stuff all the time like you so you can't expect us to get it exactly how you get it. I think ultimately you just want to show off all the fancy words and terms you know to tell everyone how smart you are. And your defensiveness is just making you into an ass.


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Re: The Axiological Transmutation (Full Article) [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #22409038 - 10/20/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

In the past I've seen some of morrow's stuff that I thought at the time was intended to be unreadable by non-initiates to his field of study (or maybe it's not intentional, I don't know,) but in this case I wouldn't say that. The title is likely to be pretty incomprehensible to many people without a dictionary in reach, but IMO the article itself is written in a very readable style for the most part, and the examples he's chosen are pretty easy to relate to. Good piece of writing overall I would say.


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    #22409308 - 10/20/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you think Neil DeGrasse Tyson is "trying to sound smart" when he talks about physics? Should he be like "Den u know like da electron be changin positions yo"



Neil degrasse tyson doesnt use fancy words to obfuscate. He's successful because he can communicate complex ideas and concepts in simple terms and analogies. If you can't simplify you dont really understand it. Not everyone here thinks about this stuff all the time like you so you can't expect us to get it exactly how you get it. I think ultimately you just want to show off all the fancy words and terms you know to tell everyone how smart you are. And your defensiveness is just making you into an ass.



good lord, you people are ridiculous. stop thinking of words as "big" or "small". some words just have more specific meanings that convey more specific kinds of ideas. You're obviously not a writer. I didn't even use the word obfuscate in the article by the way


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