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anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs?
    #22405745 - 10/19/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Curious to see how effective they actually are? I could use a little boost in my athletic performance. Are there drugs similar steroids that are legal? My goal is not to be noticeably bigger, for looks, its just to run faster, jump higher and better endurance of course.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22405763 - 10/19/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Like test. boosters? Probably the only legal things out there, next step is anabolic steroids.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: The Moose]
    #22405767 - 10/19/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what test?


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22405773 - 10/19/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00] * 1
    #22405809 - 10/19/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've never tried performance-enhancing drugs, but why not train harder?
Do you have a physical impediment that's keeping you from training insane?


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22405822 - 10/19/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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FruitOfLife said:
Testosterone




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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #22405828 - 10/19/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Chakra Shock said:
I've never tried performance-enhancing drugs, but why not train harder?
Do you have a physical impediment that's keeping you from training insane?



I have always struggled with endurance..but nothing documented as a physical impediment.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22405937 - 10/19/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Creatine. Creatine is proven to increase power output. Various studies confirm this. Just do your research on dosing and stay hydrated. How old are you by the way?


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: PositivePerception]
    #22405944 - 10/19/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ha. performance enhancers is slang here for cocaine. yeah, ive tried performance enhancers :lol:


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Ogla]
    #22406769 - 10/19/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I got a bottle of stanozolol (winstrol) but never will use it. Tried to get rid of it but then just gave up. I guess it works really well for runners. I take L-DOPA time to time.

Something that I always felt helped my mental performance was tramadol. Might sound strange but I scored insane test scores on that shit.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22407088 - 10/20/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cowb0yNeal00 said:
Curious to see how effective they actually are? I could use a little boost in my athletic performance. Are there drugs similar steroids that are legal? My goal is not to be noticeably bigger, for looks, its just to run faster, jump higher and better endurance of course.





Wtf? Are you in high school?


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: lowbrow]
    #22407466 - 10/20/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Actually yes, I have some limited experience with using Stanozolol (winstrol), an anabolic steroid, in quite low doses. I used this to recover from injuries, about once a year, for some years.

Lately I have been thinking of getting a few grams of Oxandrolone (Anavar) for the same purpose.

Now though, I actually exercise (swimming) so I think it will have some performance enhancement qualities.

Oxandrolone is superior to Stanozolol in terms of tolerability, low side effects and its easier on your natural testosterone. It doesnt shut your natural test down in modest doses (only 50% at 20mg doses) and as a big big plus: it is far less toxic to the liver. Its also weaker than Stanozolol but, you get a better drug for it.

It doesnt aromatize so no gyno (growing breasts) and you don't retain water. Stanozolol shares that property.

Neither one requires injection, neither are bulking but rather cutting steroids. If you gain weight, its lean muscle mass.

Its got those highly enticing properties of most steroids, that they strengthen just about any tissue in your body including bone density and speed recovery.

With winstrol I was doing 2mg doses for a few weeks, with anavar, if I decide to do it, I'll probably try the therapeutic ratio of 5-10mg daily.

I'm not after turning into he-man, I'm just an obese guy who is dieting and exercising and who wants to optimize fat loss, minimize muscle loss or even gain some, strengten all my tissues including bone and have superior recovery in case of sports injury.

If its a little boost in performance you are after and you are not competing with anyone but yourself, look into modest doses of Oxandrolone.

Oh, these are of course Schedule III anabolic steroids, they outlawed all the good stuff.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22407477 - 10/20/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Gorlax said:
I got a bottle of stanozolol (winstrol) but never will use it. Tried to get rid of it but then just gave up. I guess it works really well for runners. I take L-DOPA time to time.

Something that I always felt helped my mental performance was tramadol. Might sound strange but I scored insane test scores on that shit.





Gorlax whats your experience with stanozolol?


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22407494 - 10/20/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No never, when it comes to running/cycling I am a beast, but when it comes to lifting weights not so much.

I don't take any supplements, legal or illegal, get everything I need from food.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22407542 - 10/20/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cowb0yNeal00 said:
Curious to see how effective they actually are? I could use a little boost in my athletic performance. Are there drugs similar steroids that are legal? My goal is not to be noticeably bigger, for looks, its just to run faster, jump higher and better endurance of course.



You should practice and train more. Also, look into a prescription for man the fuck up RX :lol:


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22407559 - 10/20/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Caffeine is actually one of the best and most versatile performance-enhancing drugs

If I crush a black coffee a half hour before running I can definitely run harder longer


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00] * 2
    #22407641 - 10/20/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's called not being a pussy and pushing yourself to finish that last rep. Listen to some hype music while working out and take some preworkout a half hour before hand. If you're desperate try testosterone boosters and "natural anabolic enhancers" like animal stack.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #22408243 - 10/20/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Anabolic steroids are usually used to train harder.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Asante]
    #22408429 - 10/20/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I use cannabis to enhance my endurance for bullshit and appreciation for sex, food and music.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Asante]
    #22408433 - 10/20/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I play college sports and they do random drug tests. Oxandrolone Seems good for starts, maybe ill try it in the offseason or until i learn more about the random drug tests. Thx. I also think i natutally have less red blood cells then the average person so this would help my endurance. By the way i am in shape, judt get out of breath easily for some reason.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22408434 - 10/20/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What do you play?


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Asante]
    #22408448 - 10/20/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Testosterone and Steroids have a nad rap in america from propaganda. It's a familiar trend I think. This notion that you arent 'enough' of you take a hormone, or even creatine. There are many viable, safe ways to enhance performamce and optemise biology. It can be done safly if one has longevity in mind. I avoid testosterome now, but when I hit moddle age, time to supploment. Nothing against taking such though. Be the best you can be.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22408665 - 10/20/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dude if you get athletic drug tests then DON'T, they can find the minutest trace of steroids if they test for them.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22409480 - 10/20/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't smoke then. And don't go immediately for anabolic steroids man. You don't need that shit unless you lost a testicle or you're like 50 and unlucky with low T.

I assume you live at a lower elevation in NE or wherever. Personally I live at about 6,000 feet and the elevation does wonders for my cardio. Since moving up a mountain probably isn't an option, maybe get an elevation mask or something? I don't know much about those because I've never had to use one.

Get some creatine, eat protein. Make sure you get a good diet for what you're trying to do, it really makes a difference. I just don't think you need PEDs man, especially when you're probably like 20.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Asante]
    #22410019 - 10/20/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have none. I was given the bottle for free by a friend for having another friend blast some old trimming into shatter. It was like here you can have this. I thought I'd be able to sell it fast considering it's fucking Winstrol. Almost had it sold but then the person couldn't get Testosterone to use with it because I guess you need to combine both to prevent bullshit side effects. I have a rather large bottle thats like 50mg/ml or some shit I forgot. If an Apocalypse ever happens I'll begin to use it lol.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22410191 - 10/20/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cowb0yNeal00 said:
I play college sports and they do random drug tests. Oxandrolone Seems good for starts, maybe ill try it in the offseason or until i learn more about the random drug tests. Thx. I also think i natutally have less red blood cells then the average person so this would help my endurance. By the way i am in shape, judt get out of breath easily for some reason.




Your drug use may just be the reason you are out of breath easily.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #22410641 - 10/20/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Cowb0yNeal00 said:
I play college sports and they do random drug tests. Oxandrolone Seems good for starts, maybe ill try it in the offseason or until i learn more about the random drug tests. Thx. I also think i natutally have less red blood cells then the average person so this would help my endurance. By the way i am in shape, judt get out of breath easily for some reason.




Your drug use may just be the reason you are out of breath easily.



I've been sober for weeks now :smile:


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Asante]
    #22410707 - 10/20/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Asante said:
Actually yes, I have some limited experience with using Stanozolol (winstrol), an anabolic steroid, in quite low doses. I used this to recover from injuries, about once a year, for some years.

Lately I have been thinking of getting a few grams of Oxandrolone (Anavar) for the same purpose.

Now though, I actually exercise (swimming) so I think it will have some performance enhancement qualities.

Oxandrolone is superior to Stanozolol in terms of tolerability, low side effects and its easier on your natural testosterone. It doesnt shut your natural test down in modest doses (only 50% at 20mg doses) and as a big big plus: it is far less toxic to the liver. Its also weaker than Stanozolol but, you get a better drug for it.

It doesnt aromatize so no gyno (growing breasts) and you don't retain water. Stanozolol shares that property.

Neither one requires injection, neither are bulking but rather cutting steroids. If you gain weight, its lean muscle mass.

Its got those highly enticing properties of most steroids, that they strengthen just about any tissue in your body including bone density and speed recovery.

With winstrol I was doing 2mg doses for a few weeks, with anavar, if I decide to do it, I'll probably try the therapeutic ratio of 5-10mg daily.

I'm not after turning into he-man, I'm just an obese guy who is dieting and exercising and who wants to optimize fat loss, minimize muscle loss or even gain some, strengten all my tissues including bone and have superior recovery in case of sports injury.

If its a little boost in performance you are after and you are not competing with anyone but yourself, look into modest doses of Oxandrolone.

Oh, these are of course Schedule III anabolic steroids, they outlawed all the good stuff.





Great post and gives me some good food for thought.  I've never even considered it until reading this.  I will look into it more thoroughly


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22411027 - 10/20/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I saw you say you ate like 6gs of kratom the other day :aweshit:


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: The Moose]
    #22411081 - 10/20/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I saw you say you ate like 6gs of kratom the other day :aweshit:



ehh kratom is a drug? I just tried it a couple times this week.  I barely felt it to be honest.
I used to smoke weed heavy and haven't for weeks.
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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22411184 - 10/20/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My take on performance enhancing drugs is this, any results I get from them would be fake, the results wouldn't be because I was amazing at something, but instead a drug was amazing at something.

That is lame I think.  The sense of accomplishment I get from running a half marathon is a drug all on its own, that feeling motivates me to keep trying hard to become harder, better, faster, stronger.



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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Lucis]
    #22411199 - 10/20/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ehhh i know but you can say the same thing for caffeine if your trying to get work done or whatever. I just want to see if it is as bad as it seems. lol. at low doses of course


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22411208 - 10/20/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry if I came off as rude, that was not my intention, just for myself I wont partake of anything.  Do as thou wilt, your life my man.

I have always consumed a lot of caffeine though, don't know if it helps or not.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Lucis]
    #22411225 - 10/20/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Sorry if I came off as rude, that was not my intention, just for myself I wont partake of anything.  Do as thou wilt, your life my man.

I have always consumed a lot of caffeine though, don't know if it helps or not.



you didn't seem rude at all lol. Yea a lot of people take caffeine to work more efficiently, so its just a similar comparison.

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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: The Moose]
    #22411392 - 10/20/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cowb0yNeal00 said:
what test?



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FruitOfLife said:
Testosterone








For the love of God OP this right here tells me you should just stop where you are and start doing a lot of reading on your endocrine system.


How old are you even?

What sport are you playing?


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Lucis]
    #22411411 - 10/20/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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My take on performance enhancing drugs is this, any results I get from them would be fake, the results wouldn't be because I was amazing at something, but instead a drug was amazing at something.

That is lame I think.  The sense of accomplishment I get from running a half marathon is a drug all on its own, that feeling motivates me to keep trying hard to become harder, better, faster, stronger.







There are other reasons for steroids or performance enhancers like genetic limitation. You still put in the same amount of hard work. hormones and the like help with recovery and protein synthesis.

Another interesting way to look at it is performance enhancers level the playing field that genetics can drastically skew.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Mescalean]
    #22411467 - 10/20/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If a tranny can inject themselves with estrodiol because they don't like their body then why wouldn't a male be able to inject test to be more manly. Adding, also then why would one be considered extremely bad for the body while the other being medically accepted. Oh yeah it's not it's just prejudice to assume so. Steroids and other things similar aren't going to make you better at anything they will just add muscle and the rest is up to you. If you took roids and did nothing you'd just get fucking fat.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22411500 - 10/20/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Steroids don't "add" muscle.  They help the process. You still have to put in extreme amounts of effort, time and dedication. 

Mescalean said it well enough.  Once I reach my genetic peak, I will consider it.


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    #22411509 - 10/20/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22411590 - 10/20/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would consider it a drug. You are or were taking it with the intent to get high :shrug:

Not smoking will really help your lungs, but it will take them some time to recover.

IMO the adhd pills won't matter as long as you take them as prescribed.

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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #22412201 - 10/21/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If a transgendered person can inject themselves with estrodiol because they don't like their body then why wouldn't a male be able to inject test to be more manly.





This. The taboo on anabolic steroids is absurd.

Know how old people get weak and prone to break bones? Anabolic steroids prevent that quite well.

They are given to cancer and aids patients who suffer "wasting" to put on some healthy weight so yes, they WILL affect you even if you exercise little.

If you take not an "athletic" regimen but a medicinal one, for instance 4 weeks of 5-10mg Oxandrolone daily, your body tissues
including muscle, bone and connective tissues simply get an upgrade.


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    #22412244 - 10/21/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If a transgendered person can inject themselves with estrodiol because they don't like their body then why wouldn't a male be able to inject test to be more manly.





This. The taboo on anabolic steroids is absurd.

Know how old people get weak and prone to break bones? Anabolic steroids prevent that quite well.

They are given to cancer and aids patients who suffer "wasting" to put on some healthy weight so yes, they WILL affect you even if you exercise little.

If you take not an "athletic" regimen but a medicinal one, for instance 4 weeks of 5-10mg Oxandrolone daily, your body tissues
including muscle, bone and connective tissues simply get an upgrade.



Taking steroids on the reg without working out seems like such a waste. I will never use test boosters or roids, but if I did, packing on muscle would be stupidly easy. Steroids are cheating :shrug:


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Webster10]
    #22412254 - 10/21/15 04:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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if I did, packing on muscle would be stupidly easy



 

Steroids arent a magic pill where *poof* you are jacked.  :lol:  It still takes major dedication and a solid workout program


Do steroids make it 'easier' to pack on muscle if you are willing to put in the work?  Definitely.  But like mescalean said, it levels the playing field where genetics stop short.  Genetics are everything

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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Asante]
    #22412336 - 10/21/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm also someone who was never intrigued (well, at some points maybe), but now kinda am. I do martial arts and I get winded pretty easy just starting out, plus I'm underweight.

What's like the best stuff you can get? Reasonably, since you said the best stuff was banned? Or is oxandrolone your best suggestion? I've seen a lot of steroids advertised from vendors.


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    #22412360 - 10/21/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I recommend against using "athletic" amounts of anabolic steroids and instead go for medicinal amounts which tend to create qualitative improvements rather than bulking up.

If you want to get into serious bulking and have a dream run, go for 400mg injected testosterone a week including PCT etc.for 8-12 weeks.

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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Asante]
    #22412410 - 10/21/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, yeah, no interest in bulking up at all, but would like to see strength and endurance improvements.

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    #22412413 - 10/21/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Not to be too much of an advocate because these drugs obviously literally alter your body, but, many professional athletes get into steroids because many sports injuries heal in half the time when you are on them.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Asante]
    #22412427 - 10/21/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, no problems here, knowledge is power. I'd be ignorant if I just said no without discovering the pros and cons (which you've done for me, thanks.).


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    #22412460 - 10/21/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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if I did, packing on muscle would be stupidly easy



 

Steroids arent a magic pill where *poof* you are jacked.  :lol:  It still takes major dedication and a solid workout program


Do steroids make it 'easier' to pack on muscle if you are willing to put in the work?  Definitely.  But like mescalean said, it levels the playing field where genetics stop short.  Genetics are everything

Side note:  I thought you were permed?



No, lol. And I looked through this thread and couldn't find anything posted by mescalean. I lift weights for over an hour a day and eat a great diet for body building. I am far far far away from my genetic potential, but roids would speed up the process easily 300%. Even natural supplements that boost testosterone would greatly expediate my muscle growth. So yeah, doing a cycle of anabolic roids would basically turn me into the hulk pretty damn fast.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Webster10]
    #22412470 - 10/21/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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300%





You are mislead and I find this highly unlikely.  30%....maybe 50% is more realistic

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    #22412483 - 10/21/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm an oyster farmer and that shit is an extreme manual labor job. They get pretty fucking heavy after 10 dozen in a bag and then deal with over 300 bags a day. So I have been thinking of taking protein to make it a workout as well.


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    #22412489 - 10/21/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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roids would speed up the process easily 300%





Steroids aren't Ben & Jerry's for bodybuilders. You don;t just eat it and gain weight like a motherfucker.


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    #22412602 - 10/21/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have been doing oral steroid cycles for about 15 years.  I do both bulking & cutting cycles, depending what my goal is, which is usually you do a bulk cycle to put on as much mass as possible, then after some time off doing a cutting cycle to shrink-wrap the muscle I put on.

I religiously take liver detox and many herbal anti-oxidants morning & night, even when not doing cycles.  I have never had any sides or health  issues due to them.

Do a lot of studying before beginning any PED's... Know your shit.


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    #22412703 - 10/21/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Jeez, so many to choose from... And this is just a short list, the entire list is more than twice the length. I do see the oxandrolone Asante was talking about so that's cool. That's probably what put me off was the amount of chemicals that could potentially fuck you up if you don't know what you're doing.

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    #22412719 - 10/21/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Dianabol
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    #22413589 - 10/21/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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roids would speed up the process easily 300%





Steroids aren't Ben & Jerry's for bodybuilders. You don;t just eat it and gain weight like a motherfucker.



yeah, you kind of do. I'm in college, so as you can imagine I work out with a lot of meat heads. And after seeing my buddy's max on the bench go from 250 to 325 in a month after starting animal stack, I now realize the power of supplements. Animal stack isn't even a "real" anabolic steroid btw. The real shit would've really made his progress insane. 300% is a bit of an overstatement but I'd pack on muscle easily 200% as fast. Easily.

Steroids might not do much for the average joe who is lazy, eats like shit and doesn't exercise. But for someone like me, who lifts heavy for over an hour a day, lives an active lifestyle and eats like a motherfucking monster, roids would boost my performance a ridiculous amount. It's an exponential effect. Be small and take roids, and you'll get a bit bigger if you put in some effort. Be bigger, constantly put in effort, take roids and it will tear down that anabolic wall that genetics builds up, turning you into a fucking beast if you stay at it.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Webster10]
    #22413639 - 10/21/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Webster10]
    #22414698 - 10/21/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I recommend against using "athletic" amounts of anabolic steroids and instead go for medicinal amounts which tend to create qualitative improvements rather than bulking up.

If you want to get into serious bulking and have a dream run, go for 400mg injected testosterone a week including PCT etc.for 8-12 weeks.

If you just want to firm up without growing, thats what 5-10mg Oxandrolone orally a day for 4 week runs with intervals is made for. Its very popular because its so benign.





400 a week... I'd say 300 is perfect ammount... keep it there.
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roids would speed up the process easily 300%





Steroids aren't Ben & Jerry's for bodybuilders. You don;t just eat it and gain weight like a motherfucker.



yeah, you kind of do. I'm in college, so as you can imagine I work out with a lot of meat heads. And after seeing my buddy's max on the bench go from 250 to 325 in a month after starting animal stack, I now realize the power of supplements. Animal stack isn't even a "real" anabolic steroid btw. The real shit would've really made his progress insane. 300% is a bit of an overstatement but I'd pack on muscle easily 200% as fast. Easily.

Steroids might not do much for the average joe who is lazy, eats like shit and doesn't exercise. But for someone like me, who lifts heavy for over an hour a day, lives an active lifestyle and eats like a motherfucking monster, roids would boost my performance a ridiculous amount. It's an exponential effect. Be small and take roids, and you'll get a bit bigger if you put in some effort. Be bigger, constantly put in effort, take roids and it will tear down that anabolic wall that genetics builds up, turning you into a fucking beast if you stay at it.





Animal stack is actually pretty good as far as herbals go but I guarentee it was way more than that animal stack that got your buddies bench up. Like you said you guys eat like animals. That's a big part of it. If you ate like bitches his bench would have gone up maybe 10 lbs if any.


OP you need to do some serious reading. Take it from someone who has been around fitness their whole life and has gained an interest in anabolism over the last few years.


I am glad to see that responsible steroid use is losing the negative stigma though.


IMO if anyone is to use hormones GO CONSULT A SPORTS MEDICINE PROFESSIONAL.

They will guide you through any problems every step of the cycle. Having problems with excess estrogen on the cycle they can help with that. They are Dr's who specialize in athletics. Take advantage of their services.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Mescalean]
    #22414723 - 10/21/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Good call on the sports medicine pro, I will probably contact someone like that. I probably won't take them under the table, but does I may go to a professional and see if I can take oxandrolone or some other drug to increase my red blood cell count and therefore increase my endurance.


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anyone have any advice for getting a script for Oxandrolone or similar drug?





You've gotta doc shop. Some are chill others play by the book. Best of luck to you in your athletic endeavors man. Just read. Don't make mistakes I have made or others. Stay away from oral and pro hormones. Your bile ducts failing ain't fun.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Mescalean]
    #22469443 - 11/03/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Asante or anyone else knowledgeable, my main plan at the moment is just to concentrate on losing fat and gaining functional endurance, power and strength, purely via cardio; walking, jogging, swimming and sprinting, and body-weight exercises such as calisthenics and plyometrics.
Is Oxandrolone (Anavar) THE best anabolic steroid for my plan?
The way I see it is = faster recovery and growth = the more jogs and exercising I can go for = more fat loss and functional gains.


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    #22469456 - 11/03/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Also, I bought these last year, from an online supplement store but never got around to trying it. It is marketed as Epistane and a pro-hormone.
Chemical name:

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

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Get big without cheating. You'll thank yourself later.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Webster10]
    #22469490 - 11/03/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Seems like an old thread but w/e

I've never taken any supplements beyond protein powder, but I know a few people who have used steroids and they told me a fair bit about it. It's pretty serious stuff and you really need to research it all and do it all properly. A lot of people don't realise that after taking a cycle of steroids your supposed to do this post cycle therapy thing that rebalances the body to prevent side effects.

In general steroids are something that I think should only be used to push ones limit or go further then they can naturally. As in someone who's been training and has reached the plateu where they genetically can't get further results. Not as an aid for someone looking to get into fitness and start training.

You don't need steroids. Just push yourself and do what you can naturally and sustainably. Pretty much anyone I've ever seen who used steroids always in time stopped training and shrunk back to their normal size.

In general to get results you just need to do 3 basic things: train hard and push yourself, ensure your eating enough calories to be gaining, and get a lot of good deep sleep. Lift big, eat big, sleep big. That was my mantra when I was training. It works.

That was mostly in regards to building muscle. In relation to losing weight I think there's some type of steroid called clenbyuterol or something? I hear people call it ' clen '. Some sort of steroid that speeds up weight loss. I think people who are competing in contests use it to shred before competitions. But I think I also heard it can cause heart problems of not used properly.

Again I'd say it's prob best to go without any kind of steroid or anything and just maintain your routines. If you are going to use supplements make sure you do your research and learn how to do everything properly.


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    #22469504 - 11/03/15 04:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Get big without cheating. You'll thank yourself later.




I have no interest in getting big. Why post something like that when it has been covered? i.e. the taboo on steroids.
Cheating? It's not like you take steroids and it automatically makes you "big" :ahahaha: You still gotta have a near-perfect nutrition and exercise plan for improvement.
I see it as a boost, extra rewards for working hard as fuck.


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Get big without cheating. You'll thank yourself later.




I have no interest in getting big. Why post something like that when it has been covered? i.e. the taboo on steroids.
Cheating? It's not like you take steroids and it automatically makes you "big" :ahahaha: You still gotta have a near-perfect nutrition and exercise plan for improvement.
I see it as a boost, extra rewards for working hard as fuck.



If you're just starting trying to get fit, steroids aren't for you. If you really do "have a near-perfect nutrition and work hard as fuck" you will see drastic improvements without steroids. They're a cheap cop-out for those who don't have the will to get fit on their own. Their only legitimate use is to surpass your genetic potential after you've already reached it through legitimate means.

If you eat well, do a lot of cardio and really push yourself to go hard when doing your calisthenics, you will get shredded in no time, steroids or no steroids.


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Seems like an old thread but w/e

I've never taken any supplements beyond protein powder, but I know a few people who have used steroids and they told me a fair bit about it. It's pretty serious stuff and you really need to research it all and do it all properly. A lot of people don't realise that after taking a cycle of steroids your supposed to do this post cycle therapy thing that rebalances the body to prevent side effects.

In general steroids are something that I think should only be used to push ones limit or go further then they can naturally. As in someone who's been training and has reached the plateu where they genetically can't get further results. Not as an aid for someone looking to get into fitness and start training.

You don't need steroids. Just push yourself and do what you can naturally and sustainably. Pretty much anyone I've ever seen who used steroids always in time stopped training and shrunk back to their normal size.

In general to get results you just need to do 3 basic things: train hard and push yourself, ensure your eating enough calories to be gaining, and get a lot of good deep sleep. Lift big, eat big, sleep big. That was my mantra when I was training. It works.

That was mostly in regards to building muscle. In relation to losing weight I think there's some type of steroid called clenbyuterol or something? I hear people call it ' clen '. Some sort of steroid that speeds up weight loss. I think people who are competing in contests use it to shred before competitions. But I think I also heard it can cause heart problems of not used properly.

Again I'd say it's prob best to go without any kind of steroid or anything and just maintain your routines. If you are going to use supplements make sure you do your research and learn how to do everything properly.




It's clenbuterol and it's not a steroid. It's "benefits" are also not confirmed, sort of like many other "health supplements" and fads.

In my case, I've been into "living healthy" and exercising as such, for around 8 years. I know how to make gains "naturally" but I lost 3 or so years when I fell mentally ill and lost nearly everything.
I need a head start, which steroids will give me.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: daz01]
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Also @Asante: what would the regimen regarding oxandrolone be like per your recommendation?


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I'm sorry everyone, but why are you asking an obese man for exercise tips?




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Yeah man, Asante is a great asset to this community. Your uncalled for insults are way out of line.


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    #22469550 - 11/03/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's not cheating at all, but I think people are too quick to turn to steroids and things to start. It's not just a scoop of preworkout buzz powder or a protein shake you drink after the gym. Steroids are serious things that mess with your body chemistry and have a lot of side effects if not done properly.

But yeah unfortunately it's much easier to put on weight then it is to lose weight. I could lift like a beast for 1 1/2 hours a day and be fine. But cardio is fucked. I'd run for like 10 minutes and feel like I'm literally going to die.

I've actually put on a bit of weight lately myself and was thinking of getting some clenbyuterol to help get me a bit of an edge and make it easier kind of thing. Soooo I know how it is.

Eitherway whatever you do the key is just to keep at it. The most difficult thing about training is sticking with it long enough to see results. Train regularly and eat right for 6 months and itll be a night and day difference.

Once you adjust to training you start to get addicted to it anyway. You start to get a rush from it and look forward to it. I used to love mountain biking down forrest trails and would ride up to 10-15km a day. It doesn't even really feel like exercising and you can easily cover heaps of ground on a bike. Way better then sitting in a gym staring at the walls.

But yeah I think clenbyuterol is what you're looking for but I also think it might be illegal too


Edit - just read your recent replies after writing out the above, yeah seems like you know what on about so I should probably stop telling you stuff you already know.

All the best with it anyways


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22469601 - 11/03/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I am, or was, asthmatic and I am prescribed albuterol, which has the same mechanism of action as clenbuterol.
I am a bit wary to abuse it though, the dosage required for "performance enhancing" and fat loss is hella high.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: daz01]
    #22472393 - 11/03/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Watched a fat friend go from fat and not jacked to stocky but not really skinny but the buffness outweights his looking of being fat. Yes he took anavar. You can find it online really easily from online shops also search hashtags on instagram for steroid labs. Sounds stupid but that's how a lot advertise. Usually you can be redirected to a website through that.

If you think cardio will deplete your muscle mass try winnie with test prop. Test doctors can easily be found on craigslist if you live in a relatively major city. I was quite shocked how open they were. If your going bald you can even get Testosterone Prop.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: daz01]
    #22473022 - 11/03/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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daz01 said:
Also, I bought these last year, from an online supplement store but never got around to trying it. It is marketed as Epistane and a pro-hormone.
Chemical name:

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

Thoughts on this?





Epistane is a designer steroid that was made in japan in I want to say the 60's if memory serves correct. It boosts testosterone while lowering estrogen providing a lean/dry look and feel. I suggest you flush or sell it if you really want your money back. Shit is liver toxic. Why don't you try gaining weight naturally. Give that a shot first before jumping to performance enhancers.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Mescalean]
    #22473052 - 11/03/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

caffiene is a great stimulant for what you're looking for. Also, creatine is excellent. a natural test booster will help as well.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Higher Love]
    #22479122 - 11/05/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So is oxandrolone the best bang for the buck? As in, it has all the wanted effects, and none of the bad ones? Is there something that's even better? I'm not looking to get jacked, but some endurance enhancing and burning off the little amount belly fat I have would be great.


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #22479518 - 11/05/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Stimerex ES, ebay. It's an ephedrine supplement. Careful with it


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: Higher Love]
    #22479521 - 11/05/15 05:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I knew a kid who would take a bunch of testosterone and then walk around the locker room with his inflated cock out


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Re: anyone try Performance-enhancing drugs? [Re: eehoo]
    #22479580 - 11/05/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You should research epistane if you want to increase strength. And clen or albuterol if you want to increase endurance... Neither would be illegal to have possession of, but both would be seen as performance enhancing if you were tested


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