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Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek?
    #22405673 - 10/19/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I had an idea.

What if instead of plain water in the PF tek recipie you used water from boiled rice?

And by boiled rice, i mean boiling one of those rice-in-bags "instant rice", save the water and use in the recipe.

Could it work With no issues?

Would it beneficially in a noticable way?


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #22405798 - 10/19/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It would probably work since it's all getting sterilized anyway and I've seen you around enough to know you can probably pull off a cake.

Where I see problems are in the nutrition content. BRF is already super nutritious, it's actually a substrate I wouldn't add MORE nutes to if I had to pick between a bulk sub or a cake, and the extra nutrient content might provide slower growth through sation but it may help the end result :shrug:

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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #22406476 - 10/19/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think violet did some experiments to determine the nutritional content of rice water.  Compared to flour, it will be pretty small.  Muda bottles sort of use this, since the bulk substrate is hydrated with grain water, as does violet's pom tek in a direct fashion.

One could determine this by taking a quantity of rice water, then boiling away the water and weighing the solid content.

I would guess that a PF cake hydrated with grain water and less flour would be texturally superior and colonize much faster though, so there might be some use there.


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22409583 - 10/20/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What about coffee instead of water?


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: hobowizard]
    #22409627 - 10/20/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I read a thread where's it was suggested to use coffe water rather than the grounds.


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22412430 - 10/21/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Heard that too somewhere.


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: hobowizard] * 1
    #22412450 - 10/21/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Brf cakes are boarderline too nutritious. More nutes might push them over that edge. The main thing preventing cakes from producing to their max potential is not a lack of nutrition but a lack of water. The idea of diluted coffee in the mix might have some merit tho as a slight nitrogen boost couldn't hurt.


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22423700 - 10/23/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

aLright, so im getting mixed suggestions.

How about a poll?
Which type of liquid is best in the PF Tek?
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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22423984 - 10/23/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How about tap? Diluted coffee might be okay, but I doubt the others would be of any benefit. Certainly distilled is only good for spore syringes and should be otherwise avoided. As for grain soak water etc, you should keep in mind that brf cakes are almost too nutritious already.


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22424003 - 10/23/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I thought tap was a no-no.

Doesnt tap has harmful chemicals in it that are bad for germination?

If i have the money, i like to use Fuji water. Cause it has some micronutrients.


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22424038 - 10/23/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Unless you live somewhere with really fucked up water, tap is the way to go. All I ever use for anything. Some chlorine and flouride or whatever in tiny concentrations is not going to prevent germination.

Really this is maybe a bit off topic but people are not seeming to understand. Brown rice is loaded with nutes. In a flour form you are massively increasing surface area and also able to pack far more into the same space a whole grain would occupy. BRF cakes are not low in nutes, they can deliver 300% BE. What they are low in is water. If your yield with cakes is low you will be far better served to provide more water than more nutes.

The cake king was and still is fahtster. He didn't make his cakes the way most people do and his cakes had half as much brf in the end from the standard recipe. Yet his results blew everyones conceptions about cakes out of the water. The reason? Because his cakes contained more water relative to nutrients. Think about it.


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22424057 - 10/23/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Damn!

Half the amount of BRF? Thats genius if its super nutritious. More water is more better.

Heres a crazy idea. What if you put some kind of tubing inside the cake to pipe water directly inside the cake during its fruiting cycle. Like underground irrigation for plants, but this would be from shrooms.

Would that work? Has anyone done it?


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22424079 - 10/23/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah people have tried that stuff but its not needed. Really what people need to do for better results is not cut corners on consolidation (2 weeks is best) so the nutes can be put to good use, do a proper dunk and not 8-12 hours a full 24 hours, a proper roll and spoon a nice pile of verm on top and if they get a huge pinset do the saucer of water trick. Most of the time people are cutting corners on that stuff then complaining that cakes suck. Do it right and watch them kick ass. I'm gonna make up some LC and do a damn cake grow here soon :awesomenod:


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22424163 - 10/23/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I use the water from a well.. So tap water


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22424165 - 10/23/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah people have tried that stuff but its not needed. Really what people need to do for better results is not cut corners on consolidation (2 weeks is best) so the nutes can be put to good use, do a proper dunk and not 8-12 hours a full 24 hours, a proper roll and spoon a nice pile of verm on top and if they get a huge pinset do the saucer of water trick. Most of the time people are cutting corners on that stuff then complaining that cakes suck. Do it right and watch them kick ass. I'm gonna make up some LC and do a damn cake grow here soon :awesomenod:





Im quoting all this cause this sounds like the updated 2015 version of the PF tek i need to stick to.

Looking forward to your cake grow Pasty. I wanna see how a *perfect* cake performs :yesnod:


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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22424387 - 10/23/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you're going to spawn cakes to coir or do cased whole cakes in trays (which are in a way more like a bulk substrate,) it would probably be better to go with the standard 2:1 verm flour, since the bulk or casing will increase the water supply.  That way you're packing as much viable material into your pot per run, instead of sterilizing more vermicululite which it is essentially a waste of enegery to sterilize.

Also, the less flour used, the better the texture is IMO.  Less gooey is a lot easy for the mycellium to dig into.  That's probably why cakes need to consolidate, casue the mycellium isn't that effective at penetratin the gooey flour right next to the verm.  There may be some difficulty accessing any water reserves in the verm before the flour around it is heavily colonized as well.  I think this problem is exacerbated with glutanous flours such as rye and whole wheat.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Use Brown Rice Water in PF Tek? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22424734 - 10/23/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cakes need to consolidate to digest the nutes and then in turn that will be used to put out a far better flush. I do mine for two weeks myself.

If cakes are to be used for spawn then the standard ratio is always better because some of the energy from the flour will be used to colonize the bulk. At any rate the main reason to spawn to bulk is to provide more water, that is the primary function of a bulk substrate. When I was talking about fahts cakes it was if you plan to fruit them as cakes.


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