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Too wet jars?
    #22405541 - 10/19/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I got these jars here. I just opened the PC. This is how all they look like. Isnit really bad? There is no water at the bottom, just these grains. The rye passed the paper towel wet test, otherwise i wouldn't of PC them. What should i do? Thanks!


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22405561 - 10/19/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I can shake them, to spread the wet grains around?


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22405603 - 10/19/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cam be shaken. Garbage... can i remove the undamaged grain and PC it again?


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22405610 - 10/19/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Id start by taking the foil off and giving each one a good shake then let em sit overnight and do the same tomorrow and noc em up...idk they do look very wet tho how did you prep them?


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22405615 - 10/19/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Those burst grains at the bottom of the jar might be a problem. But yea, shake it up really good. I suspect that the foil was burnt because it was pressed up against the side of the PC.


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22405640 - 10/19/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cam be shaken. Garbage... can i remove the undamaged grain and PC it again?



You mean cant be shaken? Did you use something to hit them against (phone book,bike tire)? Looks like you used tall pint jars how much room is left at the top? How did you prep your rye?


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: tetherface]
    #22405709 - 10/19/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

THe foil is always like that. All me 3/3 PC cooks its out like that. Where the burned foil ends is where the water level was.

I used standard rye prep. Soaked a little bit more than usual (24h), boiled till they feel soft and wet from inside. Dried till steam went away, spread them all on kitchen paper, wait 1h, they were dry from outside, passed the paper test (after 30 sec no water mark, nothing). Filled the jars to 2/3 capacity, PCed for 90min (only 2 jars). Waited a couple of hours for the PC to calm down, opened, got frustrated.

Tried to shake well, the bottom layer is completely unmovable, hit them with palm and book (no difference).


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22405761 - 10/19/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have your jars elevated off of the bottom of the PC? That's pretty much how I do my rye, I don't boil until they feel soft though... I hard boil for no more than 10 minutes, strain, put them back in the boiling pot while they are still hot and shake the pot for a couple seconds at a time over the course of around 15 minutes, load, then PC... I've never had a problem with burst rye... the only reason I even boil them is so they will be hot enough to steam dry.


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22405779 - 10/19/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I got the jars on a folded towel. When I didn't I got broken jars and burned rye.
I want to try a brf, verm and water tek. Any good suggestions?


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22405788 - 10/19/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Your foil is a problem. Plus you don't have to use that much water. Your jars don't need water touching them to sterilize.

Plus you put the foil to far down for the amount of water that you are using. Foil should never touch the water. When it does, the bubbles percolate up the side and water spills over into the jar.

You can reuse the grain. I have reused two month old grain before. It came out of the pc a little darker but it worked great.

How full are those jars? I suggest you invest in a new pc.


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22405793 - 10/19/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't give up on grains over a few burnt jars man... did your PC come with a rack for the inside?


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22405838 - 10/19/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My PC sucks the biggest dick in the world... Its probably 8 years old, its shitty as hell. I didn't buy it. There is no rack, I checked everywhere. I want to buy new PC, but hell... these thing are too god damn expensive for my pocket right now... Someone told me to buy AA, i saw it, i laughed couple of minutes, then cried.


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22405857 - 10/19/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:trololol: ...yeah them AA's are a pretty penny... how much room do you have between the top of your jars and the inside of the lid in your PC?


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22405875 - 10/19/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

exactly 1"...


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22405916 - 10/19/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck... ditch the towel, and put some jar lid rings on the bottom... it's hard to tell how much water your PC loses during your PC cycle with a towel because the towel soaks it all up, which in turns makes it difficult to know much water you need to begin with, measure the water before and after a 90 minute cycle, then add at least half a quart more than the amount lost...I'm faded right now if that doesn't make sense let me know


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22405952 - 10/19/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I bet tahoe s right about the water level being high enough to "percolate up and into the filter throwing your moisture levels way off I have a presto 23qt which is pretty big and I use 2qts of water for a 2hr cycle with no problems and the water is only 1/4 way up my jars you dont lose as much water as you might think..


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: tetherface]
    #22405962 - 10/19/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I read some opinions that I need to fill it up 3". That why I do like that.


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22406271 - 10/19/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you can't shake them, I would suggest simply doing a careful 2-4 point inoculation, like a PF cake.

Open it in an air box or tilt it as you inoculate if you're using injection ports/polyfill.

With a jar that small, it won't take that long to colonize without a shake.  I'd guess 1.5 weeks from germination if you can put a few drops of spore solution down 4 sides of the jar.  Use very small amounts of spore solution for each point, as you don't want a liquidy environment at the bottom anymore than is already present.

There is no need to go back to BRF aka PF tek if you have a pressure cooker.  What you can do is use a 2:1 ratio of prepared grains and field capacity vermiculite.  The vermiculite will buffer any water content problems you might have, and those things colonize very rapidly compared to PF cakes, but should perform about the same.  A guy did that (albeit accidentally) on here and had full colonization in 7 days.  The whole point of using flour is that heat penetrates it more quickly, so it does not require pressure cooking, only steaming in a pot.  If you have a pressure cooker, there are very few reasons to use a flour tek.

I assume that was PC'd in a water bath up to the foil.  Don't do that.  Using so much water keeps the jars really hot for a long time and delays the depressurization of the cooker.  This exacerbates any "starchiness" problems.


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: Jaboka]
    #22406721 - 10/19/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I read some opinions that I need to fill it up 3". That why I do like that.





You could still full it up three inches. Just don't bring the foil down so far. It's just got to cover the top. You will have faster start up times if you lower the water level. Just figure out how much water evaporates during cooking. Make sure you use more water than that


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Re: Too wet jars? [Re: tahoe]
    #22406786 - 10/20/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I will do this tomorrow, and keep you guys updated here. Thanks a lot. I also give the PC 45min to cool off meanwhile I shower it (outside the building) with a nice cold water, this helps releasing the pressure faster, BUT my concern is that the jars won't like it, they may crack from the fast change of temperatures. Thanks a lot again!


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