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Kalistis


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First pins. UPDATE AFTER ADJUSTMENTS WITH PHOTOS
#22405386 - 10/19/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think I have 2 pins in one of my tubs! Is in normal for just 2 to pop up at once... And is it a sign of poor pin set to follow? Last pic is of my second tub that hasn't pinned yet. 6 days since I put them into fruiting conditions.
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Pastywhyte
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It usually takes a few days for the pinset to come in. They will pop up sporadically at first then fill in fast.
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Kalistis


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So is it normal that some of the pins have brown tops while others have white?
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yea its normal - the rest will come. That all looks good, just relax and enjoy the every day fascination of the growing shrooms - i like!
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Kalistis


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There are pins everywhere. They popped up overnight. I can't fucking wait!!! I'm almost in disbelief that I didn't totally fuck this up.
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Kalistis


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Is it true that if the lining is shrinking with the substrate that my substrate is too dry?
Here are some of my first pins!
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Psilosoulful

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I see lots of aerial mycelium, you need to increase your FAE. Loosen up those top holes a bit.
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Kalistis


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It's barely in there. Should I just take it out? Temps are at 75 degrees.
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Psilosoulful

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I would take it out for a few hours to give your sub a good FAE boost! How'd you stuff your bottom holes, perhaps you could loosen them up too just a bit. Too tight or too loose is not good, you gotta find that happy medium. Keep re-adjusting until the mycelium looks healthy again
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Kalistis


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I noticed that the mycelium looked like it was lacking FAE last night so I loosened the polyfil on my bottom holes last night. I am pretty sure I over packed them. One tub looks like it took a bigger hit than the other, but since I removed the polyfil I have been getting pins like crazy. I notice some bruising where there was polyfil touching the mycelium in one tub.
The substrate was not leveled very well. Lesson learned. I can tell it is affecting the moisture on the surface. I have some pooling in areas. Based off comparissons to other people's tubs I think I should be able to get 1 to 2 flushes out of these tubs. My second set that are nearly colonized are much better than my first. Hopefully they perform better.
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Pastywhyte
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Pretty hard to over pack bottom holes. If they are loose be careful that the sub doesn't start to dry out. It can happen fast.
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Kalistis


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Thank you. I had a lot of excess polyfil hanging out the holes. I have adjusted the amount without making it too loose. Hopefully that helps.
There is some water pooling at the bottom of my tub. Should I drain it?
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Psilosoulful

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You should use a paper towel instead to absorb the water while trying your best not to put pressure on the sub.
Tilting the tub may disrupt the normal functioning of the mycelium and cause aborts. Better to be safe than sorry.
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Kalistis


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Bah. While trying to get water out of the bottom of one of the tubs, it flexed and the substrate cracked. The water is gone but I feel defeated. I know I'm going to feel the effects of this one. Bruising and aborts to come.
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Pastywhyte
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Water in the bottom is nothing to be worried about. Water pooling on the surface of the sub should be soaked up but if its at the bottom and you have a liner just leave it. I have seen subs floating with no issues.
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Kalistis


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I read so much conflicting info. I'm just going to go with the "do nothing unless a TC says otherwise" approach for now on. I was tripping about the possibility of Trich brewing at the bottom of my tub. Well.. It's gone now. There was minimal handling involved and it cracked only because it bent. If I'm to see any negative effects, how far out would I expect to see them?
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A cracked sub will still fruit no problem.
If you were using a liner the pooled water would be on the outside of the sub, and not effecting it much. if it really bugged you you couldve folded up a paper towel and pushed it down the side of the sub to soak it up.
The only negative effect would be on yield I assume, and energy wasted on the myc recovering. I think you'll still be able to get multiple flushes.
One thing I've been learning lately is sometimes it's best to just let your project do it's thing. Over thinking and over worrying have tripped me up more than once.
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Kalistis


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Re: First pins. [Re: newrook]
#22411724 - 10/20/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks. I did slide paper towels in there. That's how I broke it. I think I'll just leave it alone next time. You live and you learn! Right when I was getting pins!
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It'll still fruit fine.
Yeah tons of conflicting info, its tough. Cubes grow well and easy, people find they like different approaches.
So the tote flexed? I have some that do that easily, I hate it and why I dont like stacking some totes. Others stack them way up and move them around no problem. I've cracked some over the years and they turn out just fine. Probably wont see many more aborts than you normally would.
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Mad Season
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Re: First pins. [Re: DrCrumbs] 1
#22413266 - 10/21/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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DrCrumbs said: Yeah tons of conflicting info, its tough. Cubes grow well and easy, people find they like different approaches.
Try this...
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Step 1: Use The Search Function (UTSF)

I get no conflicting info doing this...
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Kalistis


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Really? No conflicting information at all? Because I regularly search things and find very experienced cultivators offering conflicting advice. And how exactly, other than the TC tag, am I supposed to know that a response to another list is the right answer? You may have been a part of this forum for a very long time and know whose opinions to trust and not trust, but I don't. Just look at this thread for example, the initial advice I was given was to use paper towels to soak up water below my liner. Clearly I'm trying to do things correctly and have been searching things like crazy but when I read multiple different opinions and get to a point that the info is older than 2 years old, I'm posting my question. You may have heard it before. Forgive me. But isn't this a forum with an archive and not just an archive?
I'm sorry. I think it's my lunch time and I'm cranky as shit. But I use the search feature regularly.
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Kalistis


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DrCrumbs said: It'll still fruit fine.
Yeah tons of conflicting info, its tough. Cubes grow well and easy, people find they like different approaches.
So the tote flexed? I have some that do that easily, I hate it and why I dont like stacking some totes. Others stack them way up and move them around no problem. I've cracked some over the years and they turn out just fine. Probably wont see many more aborts than you normally would.
Yeah, I have been good about not moving them too much but the liner has started to pull away from the side as it has been shrinking with the substrate. The bottom of the tub is not perfectly flat. When I reached in to gently slide the paper towel in I tipped a corner of the substrate! Lesson learned. The tubs seem pretty solid as far as for stacking and slow lateral movements.
I think I'm just hypersensitive because these are my first. I have barely even looked at the second pair current colonizing. Thanks for your help guys.
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Pastywhyte
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If you fill out the fields indicated on the screenshot that mad season posted you will get for the most part good and current info. Not all experienced people are going to agree on everything anyway. Nothing you can do but go based on results and ratings if the TC tag isn't enough for you. As far as the crack goes it shouldn't hurt anything, some species need to be beat up a bit before they will pin. I have busted subs into multiple pieces and still had a decent flush.
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Mad Season
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Idk what you're even saying. Youre complaining because the only way to find the right answers is the tc tag and stuff is outdated.. Correct? Well I gave you a screenshot that won't find anything older than 2 years old, eliminating outdated advice.. how to see single threads at a time, and posts ONLY posted by TCs.. Did you not click the pics I provided? Because I seriously don't get what you're saying. You shouldn't have problems.. Because I never have problems using the search function. Click it again:

And if you notice, on the bottom it says save these settings. I'd recommend clicking it when youve put it all in
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Kalistis


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No, you are clearly misunderstanding me or not reading what I am writing. I do use the search tool. I read through results from present date up to 2 years ago. It seems a lot changes in a short amount of time. I did not say that I cannot find anything newer than 2 years ago. I also search for TC posts. I appreciate that you think I am being lazy or ignorant of the tools of the website, but that simply isn't the case.
When I ask a question in a forum, giving me a screen shot and instructions on how to do something I already do is frustrating. I'm sure answering repetitive questions is also pretty frustrating on your part. Sometimes noobs need the reassurance that everything is going to be ok. That's why I really do appreciate having an open forum like shroomery.
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Kalistis


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I haven't been saving my settings. That is definitely helpful. Thank you.
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Mad Season
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Well I've been growing with Mono's for a good 5 years, I've never heard of slipping paper towels under it... I have left it overly wet, and I've also tipped a tub gently so everything comes out without damaging the sub as well. Very rarely would I say tipping is necessary. But I'd never use paper towels. Hell I just leave any puddles as is normally, and just up the fae a ton instead of dabbing with paper towels. Although dabbing works too. Hope that helps a bit.
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Kalistis


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Everything looks okay today. I was surprised that there was no bruising from cracking the substrate. Pins are still popping up. The first few pins are getting bigger. I moved one of the bind from a bedroom with a fan to a larger room that gets better air flow and stays cooler. The other is outside. The conditions are perfect and I am playing around with dialing in my tubs in different environments. I have to say that the tub that was moved outside looks healthier today. The aerial mycelium that had built up in the corners seems to have mellowed out a bit and I came home to more knots and pins.
I did notice that some of my pins look mutated- split from one stalk and some with white caps. I know I used MS, so genetically things like this is to be expected, but could it also be a sign that my conditions aren't right?I haven't seen many Golden Teacher grows with white pins.
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Kalistis


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Maybe low rh?
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Kalistis


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Update- The 2 monotubs were clearly suffering from lack of FAE. That would explain why my caps were white, but once I moved them to a better environment and adjusted my polyfil within 24 hours the new growth on the white pins turned the right color. The new pins are also coming in the correct color. As I suspected, the uneven substrate is an issue. The pins are growing at the lower points where the moisture is dominant making clusters of pins, but they are growing and not aborting..... yet. Check out my crack in the substrate too...
The aerial mycelium is backing off a bit and I see more knots. What do you guys think?
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Pastywhyte
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The pics are poor but it looks like its getting dry. The pins were white from the universal veil. That is normal. You don't want to dry out the sub right now or you will kill the pinset. Give it a mist and get the bottom holes tight. You want tiny beads of water on the sub. Just mist in the air and let it fall on the sub. The aerial myc you had was nothing to really worry about either IMO. People seem to not know what is bad and what is normal. Up the FAE once the pinset is in. Its not there yet.
If you case your tubs you can blast the FAE but with an uncased mono you need to dial in more carefully.
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Mad Season
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Wanna see cracked? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21715298
I'm sure you'll be fine. Just listen to my man pasty here
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Kalistis


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Thanks Pasty! I'll tighten the bottom holes right now and give it a misting. It looks like there are beads of water all over the sub... should I take a closer pic?
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Kalistis


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Mad Season said: Wanna see cracked? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21715298
I'm sure you'll be fine. Just listen to my man pasty here
LOL pretty impressive cracks. There are like entire subcontinents in there.
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Kalistis


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Alright, so the dropped tun has some more metabolites and bruising on the corner where I touched the liner to try and get the paper towel under the liner. The pins are also maturing a lot faster in the tub. When I spawned my 12 jars, I put my 6 healthiest in 1 tub, and 5 lesser in the second tub. 1 jar I discarded. The tub with metabolites and faster maturing pins is the tub with the lesser quality jars. I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not.
The surface has droplets of water now, temps are at 75 degrees, and there is condensation on the side of the tubs except for just around the lower holes where the polyfil is.
The last two pictures are of my first 12 jars of spawned oats 12 days ago. All 12 jars of Malabar MS were spawned, but like the first 11 jars of GT to WBS, I divided the most healthy from those looking less healthy. Looks like I am getting close to fruiting them!
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