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top layer AND casing? and another casing question?
    #22404074 - 10/19/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

is it ok to add top layer after mixing the spawn with the substrate and then add a casing layer after fully colonization?!

and when is the best time to add the casing layer for P.Cubes and when to introduce it to fruiting conditions?
add the casing layer after fully colonization wait till its 30% colonized and fruit? or add and fruit directly?


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: oontribe]
    #22404227 - 10/19/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you can't ask best, there's more than one way to do it as you obviously have seen.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22406780 - 10/20/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so what you think about top AND casing layer


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: oontribe]
    #22406816 - 10/20/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Works fine,anything over 1/4 inch I wait till 30% anything under I just fruit as its applied


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: oontribe] * 1
    #22406920 - 10/20/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes you can use a top layer of coir and then a casing.  I like to use a thin top layer so the mycellium doesn't get flattened by falling condensation.  I don't think it really matters and usually I'm too lazy to do it.

I like to fruit at 25-50% surface area with mycellium poking through.  I find it fruits better from the mycellium poking through than from under the casing.

Many methods work.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22407133 - 10/20/15 03:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I had an experience with a top layer tub that fruited faster and gave more fruits than the other tubs without top layer!
But the fruits were thinner too.
However that was an MS tubs thinking about trying it next time with clones.

Thanks for the info guys


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22407140 - 10/20/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

peat and lime :V

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Yes you can use a top layer of coir and then a casing.  I like to use a thin top layer so the mycellium doesn't get flattened by falling condensation.  I don't think it really matters and usually I'm too lazy to do it.

I like to fruit at 25-50% surface area with mycellium poking through.  I find it fruits better from the mycellium poking through than from under the casing.

Many methods work.




No you are spot on here.

It should be poking out; it'll form hyphal branches to get to the water.

That's an indication that it is healthy.

Matting is bad (high co2) and no mycelium poking through is either dry or not airy enough or too much casing.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: micro]
    #22407152 - 10/20/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Iam going to use peat verm and a dash of lime!

Do you have a picture of matted myc and healthy one?

I cant really understand what is matted?


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: oontribe]
    #22407155 - 10/20/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i think it's 25% by vol to peat, if you use the horticultural stuff

i do not but it would be obvious; huge overlay of mycelium on top

it should only poke out

matted and overlayed are the same


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: micro]
    #22407158 - 10/20/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yea i get it now!

I thought its 50 verm 50 peat
i am going to use sphagnum peatmoss its used for agriculture.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: oontribe]
    #22407178 - 10/20/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

that's the best

make sure there are no sticks or leaves, etc. in it

easy to tell as you should strain it out and crumble/sprinkle it onto the myc anyway so it's airy

all the lime b/c the peat moss is pretty acidic


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: micro]
    #22407179 - 10/20/15 04:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

if ur using hydrated lime (calcium hydroxide) go easy.  strong stuff.  IME, too much can shock the mycelium, and delay pinning.

if ur using garden lime (calcium carbonate), u can add a good bit more.

i've seen both advertised as "horticultural lime" so u just need to look at the back label.

hydrated lime:


calcium carbonate


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22407186 - 10/20/15 04:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ouch. really?

quite a big difference there :lol:


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: micro]
    #22407276 - 10/20/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Iam using calcium carbonate thank you guys :smile:


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: oontribe]
    #22407281 - 10/20/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

standard is 10% by volume of peat
for 10 cups peat, use 1 cup limestone (regardless of verm amount)

adjust from there, and as micro said, sift ur peat if it feels chunky.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22407309 - 10/20/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ok one last question how many jars of peat/verm per 60l tub to reach 1/4" casing layer and should it be less than 1/4" if i have applied a top layer?


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: oontribe]
    #22407328 - 10/20/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

2 full qts.  whatever that comes out to.  1/4"+ or so.
thats what i do anyway.
u don't have to use both if it looks to thick.  u can save some to patch if u want to go that route.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22407346 - 10/20/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

oh, just a tip but it wasn't said - if you add a thin layer of vermiculite underneath the myc it will prevent it from sitting in a pool of water


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: micro]
    #22407382 - 10/20/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Patching as covering the areas after harvesting or patching as covering the myc. After growing on the casing layer?

And micro do you add a layer of verm to the tub before you adding the spawn/sub mix? Never heard about that before!


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: oontribe]
    #22407450 - 10/20/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i've never patched after harvest, but i guess people do that to?

patching isn't required, but i do it if part of the casing is getting ahead of the others too much.  usually around the edges.  just makes the pin set more even across the surface IME.

these days, i just apply all the casing, and when i go to fruit, i move it around with a fork or my fingers, and grab material that is uncolonized and move it to parts that are showing growth.

micro is talking about casing grains i think.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22407533 - 10/20/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is lime good for CV casings too?

Been thinking about picking some up.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22407545 - 10/20/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i guess if u were to lime it a bit, it would help prevent the culture from eating it quickly?
i don't think it would hurt.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: micro]
    #22407710 - 10/20/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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oh, just a tip but it wasn't said - if you add a thin layer of vermiculite underneath the myc it will prevent it from sitting in a pool of water



this is questionable IMO do you mean put a layer of verm on the bottom of your mono then spawn as usual? I don't see the point the myc will absorb the water from the bottom of the tub anyways if it needs it so why add a stagnant layer of un-colinized verm what are the benefits? IMO a liner is the only thing that should be under your substrate


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: tetherface]
    #22408428 - 10/20/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

vermiculite is very much dead and won't contaminate anything

and yeah, stagnant water is bad

the myc won't absorb it all, you using clear plastic you can see through?


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: micro]
    #22408650 - 10/20/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yea I much prefer water to having verm under my shit.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22408929 - 10/20/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

sorry to interrupt the verm conversation.

i have a question regarding the peat...its known in gardening that peatmoss shouldnt be dried or you wouldnt be able to rehydrate it!
is there any precautions should i be aware of when using it as a casing layer?


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: tetherface]
    #22409448 - 10/20/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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oh, just a tip but it wasn't said - if you add a thin layer of vermiculite underneath the myc it will prevent it from sitting in a pool of water



this is questionable IMO do you mean put a layer of verm on the bottom of your mono then spawn as usual? I don't see the point the myc will absorb the water from the bottom of the tub anyways if it needs it so why add a stagnant layer of un-colinized verm what are the benefits? IMO a liner is the only thing that should be under your substrate





I don't like the idea.  Any excess condensation should be easily absorbed by the sub or collect meaninglessly under the liner.


With peat casing, I like to add all my water to the Peat moss, as I think it hydrates more evenly and distributes the lime better.  Then I add the verm and massage it together with my hands, as I find peat to be intrinsically clumpy.


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Re: top layer AND casing? and another casing question? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22412269 - 10/21/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

thanks man your comments are always helpful!


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