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zzripz
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Re: Fear and Repression in Religion [Re: laughingdog]
#22465274 - 11/02/15 02:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: If you have access to the internet where you can watch videos without family interfering you might find putting in Sam Harris name helpful. Also Richard Dawkins.
They are fundamentalists!
it seems when you feel offended, you go on the offense and denounce in a rather dogmatic manner, doing exactly what you accuse others of ...
chill dude ...
errr pardon me...? lol I quite calmly am stating that they are fundamentalists themselves
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BreathlessVision said: Hello, Perhaps this thread is me attempting to inquire into what other people have to say on this issue, I'm not too sure on this myself and wanted some external input.
Many human beings are brought up in a religion where there are set rules that you must follow, otherwise you are a sinner and a damned creature who will suffer everlasting pain and damnation - I admit, here I am dramatizing the way it is presented, but from an early age we are conditioned into believing in these so called sins and the hereafter.
It seems absurd to me to put such fragile creatures into a cosmic battle between good and evil, to have this tiny little creature on a little rock ball, with all of its desires and hopes and dreams be the centre stage of a great cosmic battle, where we ourselves do not have a clue to our own true nature, or the true nature of the whole cosmos. I apologize if I am not making sense, I am still searching.
Now I will use Islam primarily as an example because it is what I grew up with and have seen many peers exhibiting the same pattern.
In islam many things are not allowed, such as pre-marital sex, alcohol, pork, even music/art, interactions with the opposite gender (so restricted that you are not even allowed to look at a woman); all free expression is forbidden.
Now I have seen close friends who I love dearly, I do not mean to judge them I am making an observation, deny all of this sins and participate in them - to then go and submit their will to the religion completely - but why?
I don't want to impose any ideas on my friends or for them to believe in anything I do, I just feel that they are denying their authenticity, their chance to enjoy life by limiting themselves - I am trying to come from an empathetic place. (Let it be noted that I don't think that I am a messiah that has all the answers to the problem of being).
In fact, some of my closest friends have spoken against the fact that I question Islam and want to inquire into the universe and science etc...
Is religion ultimately the cause of duplicity in many human beings, to somehow related to it?
Is religion merely used to suppress and manifest fear in people? Is religion used to deny people their authenticity? But why use fear? Why do people revert back to something they think they SHOULD believe in, rather than having true faith? Because if you really BELIEVED in Allah and Muhammad's great message you would be absolutely terrified at your every action, your every thought.
What are your opinions or questions on this issue?
Thank you for taking the time to read and reply if you do.
Peace
i think religion is bullshit. i am not sure any of us asked to be here, so how can we be blamed for what we think or do? do what ever it is that you want!
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Yeah I try to but hey the argument is always:
Islam is the truth. You haven't even read 1% of the quran. So you can't prove it wrong. Therefore islam is the truth.
You are right, why can I just not LIVE. Why are there all of these restrictions and limitations on an already constricted being.
We are bound - not totally - by our own human-ness. We are an animal that grew out of this Earth and our human form is adjusted or adapted for this planet, we are restricted in a physical sense. You or I cannot physically leave the Earth - by simply walking off into space. I do not mean for this to be a put-down on humans. We are not merely slime on a rock but we are restricted in our intelligence and our physicality - something we are starting to/might overcome via our technologies.
But the argument remains... why cannot I just live?
That is my folly I guess as being human - I do want transcendence but I am cynical whether as to I will achieve it.
Right now I'm just heading down my own path, finding my own way and being with it - trying to enjoy my life for whatever it is. Do not take my words too seriously, I type them down then question each sentence so I don't know myself all the details etc...I do not know the absolute truth.
P.S Dawkins is a fundamentalist I believe, he is funny and he does help to break free of some traps but I personally find no solace in his -personal- ultimate model of reality or existence. Materialist/reduction-ism is not the game I want to play.
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We are bound - not totally - by our own human-ness. We are an animal that grew out of this Earth and our human form is adjusted or adapted for this planet, we are restricted in a physical sense. You or I cannot physically leave the Earth - by simply walking off into space. I do not mean for this to be a put-down on humans. We are not merely slime on a rock but we are restricted in our intelligence and our physicality - something we are starting to/might overcome via our technologies.
The idea that we are bound comes from the myth of 'spirit' descending into 'mattetr' and becoming trapped. THis myth derives from Eastern mythology, and also Western mysticism like Orphism and Gnosticism all of which have influenced the major religions, including Islam, and also the co-called New Age beliefs which also see the body and natural world as illusory, and traps preventing 'ascension'. I am just saying that all the patriarchal beliefs, including the secular ones have us thinking we are limited. But really what limits us is not the sensual body, and nature, but the oppressive regimes that grow out of patriarchal control-freak oppressive systems.
A big drive now is for the culture to make us feel very inadequate as humans, and in doing so will hold out the carrot of 'trans-humanism' which they will promise their technology will give us---an 'upgrade' for our bodies. This makes us more and more dependent on their matrix IF we fall for this mind-control Many people now are fearful to leave their homes without a mobile phone! I do not have one and when I tell people you should see the expression on their faces. And of course this social pressure will continue till we feel the necessity to get this techno crap inserted into our very bodies. This is why you must become aware of what is going on so that you have the wherewithall to not conform with this technocratic fascism.
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Re: Fear and Repression in Religion [Re: zzripz]
#22554198 - 11/21/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are many religions out there and here it is complex. It can be like a tribal control system, but they are also expressions of the divine. They can be insightful and it is interesting that there are religions made from a religion. There are many interpretations of a certain belief system, those that you speak of BreathlessVision seem to be following blind faith. Direct contact with the divine changes your under-standing of life. Some people look at a ancient book and think it is a absolute truth but by following that it is like living in the past. We are here now and always growing.
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