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Wah
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Amanita Gemmata? (PNW)
#22400352 - 10/18/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is my understanding that a. gemmata contains the same active constituents as a. muscaria. I do not intend to seek thrills with deleriants, and though I am not adverse to cautious experimentation I don't know much about this particular species and its unique risks if any. Right now of course it's an unknown amanita, so for the foreseeable future it'll just be sitting pretty for me to look at. 
Habitat: Growing in the ground on the edge of a trail, at the edge of a wooded and open area. Gills: Whiteish (very light) yellowish looking between. Adnexed to free. See photo. Cap: Golden with white flakes. Some have more and smaller flakes than others, some with only several large flakes, some older specimens have upturned, flakeless caps. See photo. Slippery when wet! Bruising: None noticed. Spore print: In progress, presumably white. Location: Facing an open area where a petroleum pipeline cuts through a forest.
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Re: Amanita Gemmata? (PNW) [Re: Wah]
#22412146 - 10/21/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm researching a similar one. The closest looks like amanita breckonii so far.
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Wah
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Re: Amanita Gemmata? (PNW) [Re: cameal]
#22420097 - 10/22/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cameal said: I'm researching a similar one. The closest looks like amanita breckonii so far.
Interesting, thanks for that. A couple sites I've been on have suggested that many American sightings are in fact of species distinct from the European A. Gemmata. See the size and length of the stem and size of the zits.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Amanita Gemmata? (PNW) [Re: Wah]
#22420301 - 10/22/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Amanita gemmata sensu PNW. Contains the same toxins as A. muscaria.
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N05482
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Nice finds I love the look of those.
I spoke with Alan about this last year, and still haven't made a write up on it. I have ingested aminita gemmata in attempts to get similar effects as muscaria. No noteable effects produced and a mild gastrointestinal discomfort was noted.
Imo not worth it just let em sit pretty
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Re: Amanita Gemmata? (PNW) [Re: N05482]
#22420369 - 10/22/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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N05482 said: I spoke with Alan about this last year, and still haven't made a write up on it. I have ingested aminita gemmata in attempts to get similar effects as muscaria. No noteable effects produced and a mild gastrointestinal discomfort was noted.
Imo not worth it just let em sit pretty
Sounds like the exact same toxins as A. muscaria.
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Wah
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Alan Rockefeller said: Amanita gemmata sensu PNW. Contains the same toxins as A. muscaria.
Thank you! I'm half-tempted to kick out muscimol & friends by parboiling and see if it is as palatable as a. muscaria is said to be but I doubt I will. I'm not inclined to do much with them at this point. I've seen nothing to suggest that it is toxic in the amatoxin sense but I'm more comfortable letting a couple of mushrooms rot back into the ground than I am approaching an amanita species that I didn't even known the name of a week ago. Would you mind sharing why you decided gemmata instead of breckonii?
Here's the page that lead me to be a bit doubtful at first. I'm sure this site is fairly well-known here:
http://www.svims.ca/council/Amanit.htm
If the mention of a 'double' ring on the stem means what it sounds like then that would certainly be one reason.
Thanks again for the help, both of you!
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Re: Amanita Gemmata? (PNW) [Re: Wah]
#22420508 - 10/22/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wah said: Thank you! I'm half-tempted to kick out muscimol & friends by parboiling and see if it is as palatable as a. muscaria is said to be but I doubt I will.
You should. David Arora has and he said it was good.
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I've seen nothing to suggest that it is toxic in the amatoxin sense but I'm more comfortable letting a couple of mushrooms rot back into the ground than I am approaching an amanita species that I didn't even known the name of a week ago. Would you mind sharing why you decided gemmata instead of breckonii?
You shouldn't be scared of Amanitas. The deadly ones are in a completely different section of Amanita than this is.
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Wah
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Alan Rockefeller said: You should. David Arora has
I might give it a try tomorrow. I have to see how they're holding up. In Mushrooms Demystified he states that it's sometimes listed as edible, other times as you described above. This inconclusiveness made me a bit weary - deliciousness or delerium? Or what else? Obviously not death, or at least it is obvious to those who know more than me and I know consciously that I have no reason to be afraid. I'd like to think that my lack of eating stems from my lack of knowledge rather than an erronerous belief that it is deadly and I'd tell you that I'm not just superstitious but then you'd tell me that I doth protest too much. This certainly wouldn't be the first time for me to find that the current consensus has changed since the nearly 30 years ago that the second edition of Mushrooms Demystified was published.
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and he said it was good.
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Alan Rockefeller said:You shouldn't be scared of Amanitas. The deadly ones are in a completely different section of Amanita than this is.
That's true. It would be a bit silly of me to think of Amanita as just one huge bushy branch point on the evolutionary tree. I'll certainly be doing some more reading in that area.
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