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Kush_Zombie
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Can I make my own Ayahuasca?
#22397345 - 10/18/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've smoked DMT several times, I've done several LSA and Amanita Muscaria trips as well. I know these are mild compared to taking Ayahuasca. I don't have nor do I ever think I will have the money to travel to the Amazon to have this experience. I will not die without trying Ayahuasca, that's just not going to happen. Can I make my own Ayahuasca brew and drink it in my bedroom? I understand that there is a certain diet I need to follow prior to the experience but is this okay for me to do without a shaman? What risks am I taking if I do the experience in my bedroom? Also, what herbs can I use to help clear the air of negative energy? (Sage, Frankincense, etc.)
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cvh
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22397387 - 10/18/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes you can.
Look at this site and order the ingredients from one of the shroomery sponsor sites.
It's best that you buy a kit with extracts (or liquids), so you'll have it ready in minutes instead of hours.
Link to kits with extracts/liquids
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Kush_Zombie
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: cvh]
#22397414 - 10/18/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cvh said: Yes you can.
Look at this site and order the ingredients from one of the shroomery sponsor sites.
It's best that you buy a kit with extracts (or liquids), so you'll have it ready in minutes instead of hours.
Link to kits with extracts/liquids
Thank you for the quick reply, I'm reading the first link right now. I would rather spend the hours it takes to make it though, this is something I want to do traditionally and put my time and energy into.
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22397457 - 10/18/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I want to do traditionally and put my time and energy into.
I can respect this.
This is also an interesting site. Both sites that I have given you also have forums.
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: cvh]
#22397711 - 10/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cvh said:
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I want to do traditionally and put my time and energy into.
I can respect this. This is also an interesting site. Both sites that I have given you also have forums.
....wow....very Interesting
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Sabnock
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Yes, you can brew the Ayahuasca up in your home, and take it in your bedroom or out in your back or front yard or whatever, as long as it's a comfortable and safe setting. You do not have to follow a diet, you don't even have to fast for a few days, i myself usually go without eating all day anyways and eat dinner at night, so my Ayahuasca nights aren't any different, i still eat after i come down, but it is better to have an empty stomach before taking it though.
Just make sure the dosage and timing between taking the Harmala and DMT containing plants is right, have a good headspace/mindset, going into the experience, be in a good setting, and you should be absolutely fine
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: Sabnock]
#22427668 - 10/24/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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As said can be made. I've just received a load of White Banisteriopsis caapi and Chacruna (Psychotria viridis) leaves and am following a slow spiritual recipe. I believe diet is very important as some foods are very advised against and medication is even more important as some can cause fatal reaction. You need to read the ayahuasca diet and want drugs to stop taking. It's not the DMT containing plant that you need to be careful with it's the caapi as its an MAO inhibitor so it changes the way your stomach breaks down chemicals. Reason is DMT is not orally active because the gut breaks it down.
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: KingMutley]
#22427776 - 10/24/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KingMutley said: I believe diet is very important as some foods are very advised against and medication is even more important as some can cause fatal reaction. You need to read the ayahuasca diet and want drugs to stop taking.
A good, healthy diet is always important, Ayahuasca or not. However, because the Harmalas in Rue and Caapi are reversible inhibitors of MAO-A while leaving MAO-B alone, there is no dietary risk/interaction with certain foods, that is for pharmaceutical non-selective and irreversible MAOI's only. Not only does the science support this, but people's experimentation also supports this. I'm not saying to not avoid certain foods, if you truly want to or feel it may make a difference, but it is not necessary, it's not a requirement.
As for certain medications, there are some substances which you shouldn't mix with Rue or Caapi, though i and some others feel some of the supposed dangers of mixing things with MAO-A inhibition is a bit over-exaggerated. There's been a couple of studies where they mixed Moclobemide with pharmaceutical SSRI's, and the outcome was pretty good with really no additional side effects, was well tolerated, and did not induce Serotonin Syndrome. Though i still say to be careful with what one may mix with the Harmalas, and always research things before you attempt something or experiment around. It's best not to be on an SSRI if you're taking a Psychedelic in general (due to possible need for a higher dose of the Psychedelic), and even something like a Benadryl has SSRI properties as well. But i myself have even used Benadryl at night for sleep several times while still experimenting with Ayahuasca and it's never given me any negative interactions. I've also mixed Kanna (which is said to be a potent natural SSRI) with some Rue, and things went just fine.
Overall, just be careful, play it safe, be cautious, research things, but don't be afraid to experiment around just because no one's ever done it before or it says not to mix with MAOI's, if you're going to experiment, do it wisely, just my two cents.
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: Sabnock]
#22428124 - 10/24/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: A good, healthy diet is always important, Ayahuasca or not. However, because the Harmalas in Rue and Caapi are reversible inhibitors of MAO-A while leaving MAO-B alone, there is no dietary risk/interaction with certain foods, that is for pharmaceutical non-selective and irreversible MAOI's only. Not only does the science support this, but people's experimentation also supports this. I'm not saying to not avoid certain foods, if you truly want to or feel it may make a difference, but it is not necessary, it's not a requirement.
Most of the foods that are restricted for the pharmaceutical MAOIs are very uncommon. An article entitled 'MAO Inhibitors: Risks, Benefits, and Lore'* states: The dietary restrictions classically advised for patients taking oral MAO inhibitors were established to prevent hypertensive crises associated with tyramine ingestion. However, some of these restrictions were unsubstantiated,38 and evidence from more recent studies suggests that they are unnecessarily strict39 and may lead to resistance by the physician, the patient, or both to using this potentially beneficial therapy.14
This article lists the following foods as "unnecessarily restricted":
avocados; bananas; beef or chicken bouillon; chocolate; fresh and mild cheeses, eg, ricotta, cottage cheese, cream cheese, processed cheese slices; fresh meat, poultry, or fish; meat gravy (fresh); monosodium glutamate; peanuts; properly stored pickled or smoked fish (eg, herring); raspberries; and yeast extracts (except Marmite).
And these are the foods listed as "absolute restrictions":
• Aged cheeses and meats • Banana peels • Broad bean (fava) pods • Spoiled meats • Marmite • Sauerkraut • Soybean products • Draft beers • Tyramine-containing nutritional supplements • Wine (not to exceed two drinks a day)
This is an interesting comment from someone who took the MAOI, Nardil:
It's very rare to have a hypertensive crisis while on MAOIs, but the danger is there and you can get one when you least expect it. Took me two years to find out how it felt like. I ate spoiled meat and it gave me a splitting headache, felt like my head was about to explode. Before that incident i had been eating everything and paid the diet no concern at all.
I still don't care about the diet, but gourmet cheese and spoiled food should be avoided at all costs.
Re: MAOI "diet" by psychiatrists - a joke? ChopSuey 09-22-2014.
*MAO Inhibtors: Risks, benefits, and lore. Wimbiscus, Molly MD; Olga Kostenk, MD; Donald Malone, MD. Cleveland Clinic Journal of Medicine. vol. 77, no. 12, Dec 2010
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: s240779]
#22430257 - 10/25/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It sounds like you two know a heck of a lot more about Ayahuasca than I do so I'm going to follow your advise instead lol. The restricted diet was a bit of a pain for me as most of the things I eat were on the avoid list, lots of ripe cheeses, avocados, dairy and home brewed ales but as I'm not a fussy eater I was willing to eat rice and chicken for a couple days. The weed and booze though is a bit tougher to go with out I just wanted to insure I didnt provoke a bad experience. As it happened I kept the rue down fine for about 40mins but as soon as I knocked back the 50 or so mil of Hostilis I puked in seconds and had no effect other than feeling crap. I was taking ssri's though so this time I've cut them out and will brew a better load out of the traditional plants. For me it's an ongoing learning process which is why I ordered quite a lot of plant matter as I fully expect to mess up some brews and fail along the way...I don't think a shaman is needed though haha, every ceremony I've watched has looked like the shaman is trying his hardest to freak everyone out, crazy people and sod all that spitting and blowing smoke in people's faces
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: KingMutley]
#22431757 - 10/25/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah the purge sucks. One thing you could perhaps try, is take a dose of Rue regularly for a week or so, and the purge is less likely to happen, ime. I'm thinking it may have to something to do with the down-regulation of the Serotonin 3 receptor once your body gets used to the Harmalas. The tannins in a Mimosa tea can also make you purge.
You could perhaps try making some residue out of the Mimosa. I take up to 8 grams of root (which is strong btw), put it in a jar with some room temp bottled water, shake periodically and let it sit overnight, then pour/filter the liquid off through a coffee filter into a stainless steel cake pan to evaporate, sometimes i'll even do a second water wash on the root, shake, let it sit, and filter again, and once all the liquid is evaporated in the cake pan, the residue can be easily scraped up and loaded into a few capsules. The residue works quite well, and is pretty potent especially from 8 grams of root so you'd may wanna try 5 grams of root to make residue.
As for Mimosa teas, the tannins are a big problem for me, i've used egg whites and freezing/thawing to cleanse the teas, but usually end up with potency loss, but at least the tea is drinkable and doesn't contribute to nausea when clean. I'm still trying to find a way around the potency loss when making teas though, a couple of people have said to keep the brew pretty diluted while doing the egg white cleansing, others have said to add a bit of an acid in there to change the DMT's salt form (as they believe it's in tannate form and could possibly bind to the egg whites with the tannins).
Ime, the most powerful experience i've had was with Mimosa residue, and some capsules of ground Rue seed. The Mimosa and Acacia teas are wonderful, but idk, it just feels a bit different drinking a tea compared to taking something in capsule form, plus capsule form tends to kick in slower and last a bit longer.
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Kush_Zombie
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: Sabnock]
#22431791 - 10/25/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was just going to do the Psychotria Viridis leaf with the Caapi Vine. Does that make a difference in anything?
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22432450 - 10/25/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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From what I've read apart from containing different quantities of chemicals essentially they all contain the same stuff. I like the sound of caapi and viridis as it seems to be the traditional mix plus rue is from a different region so surely the harmony in the plants can't be quite the same. As of yet I've not experienced it so can't say other than puking eat quick from the Hostilis and just not really liked the feeling of the rue on my limbs? I've got a Hostilis brew ready for drinking I just need to boil some caapi to go with it. I boiled the root three times for two hours each in about 2ltr of water each time then reduced to two litres and sat over night, next day I syphened off the liquid and chucked the sediment, then reduced to 500ml and bottled. Yet again there is sediment and yet again I'll chuck it, see what happens. Tonight though I'm going for 3.7g of Liberty Caps in lemon tek
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Kush_Zombie
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Re: Can I make my own Ayahuasca? [Re: KingMutley]
#22432577 - 10/25/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always felt like throwing up was part of the experience. I heard that's how it "cleanses" you
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