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solarity
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22476332 - 11/04/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just be aware that the max ph of lime water drops with increased temps.
Also saturation of hydrated lime in water is around 1.5gr/L any more just precipitates out.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: solarity]
#22476491 - 11/04/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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solarity said: Just be aware that the max ph of lime water drops with increased temps.
Also saturation of hydrated lime in water is around 1.5gr/L any more just precipitates out.
Good to know.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: amp244]
#22477420 - 11/04/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's odd because most chemicals are soluble at a higher rates with temperature increase not inverse. I do know PH will drop with temperature increase though, but it will raise back up with temperature drop.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22477734 - 11/04/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: That's odd because most chemicals are soluble at a higher rates with temperature increase not inverse. I do know PH will drop with temperature increase though, but it will raise back up with temperature drop.
it's a weak base so it probably has more to do with thermodynamics than strictly chemistry. there is a significant difference (a pH point or 2) when you're talking about 70F water vs 50F well water.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: drake89]
#22478695 - 11/04/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys think maitake would do well with kings in the same chamber? Or should i place the maitake on shelving in my grow room with the oysters? I prepped up 12 jars of the aloha AZ strain and im trying to decide which chamber to go into.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22478950 - 11/04/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: azur]
#22492930 - 11/07/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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pins!! Ill cut the bag tops in a few days once the pins are more established.

the warm water lime bags are looking horrible. They look 90% colonized with tons of small green spots. I will wait and see how it turns out but its not looking so good. Ill try one last lipa tek combined with lime water before moving onto steam fractional or pressure cooker sterilization. I figure i can just use my 2nd bathroom as a still air room until i get my flow hood for inoculation, i've done it before for G2G's with no contams.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22493747 - 11/08/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: pins!! Ill cut the bag tops in a few days once the pins are more established.

the warm water lime bags are looking horrible. They look 90% colonized with tons of small green spots. I will wait and see how it turns out but its not looking so good. Ill try one last lipa tek combined with lime water before moving onto steam fractional or pressure cooker sterilization. I figure i can just use my 2nd bathroom as a still air room until i get my flow hood for inoculation, i've done it before for G2G's with no contams.
PINS!!! 
I've never had success pasteurizing wood substrates. I've never had any problem sterilizing them. If you are trying to boom on a budget, look into getting a shmuv box for inoculation. Its the exact same principle as a flow hood (minus the laminar flow) and can be had for $40 or so. All you do is take a True HEPA desktop air purifier and tape a large clear trashbag to it so you have an inflated trash bag with filtered air. You cut arm holes and an eye hole and do all your work inside the bag. I got lucky and found my desktop purifier at goodwill for $5. The filters were $30 at Walmart. I do all my sterile work in it. Petris, G2G, Slurries, and large bag inoculation. Works like a charm.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: amp244]
#22495810 - 11/08/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a glove box, just not large enough for 6 10 lb bags, impulse sealer and spawn jars. I actually just ordered a desktop HEPA to help make my bathroom a clean(er) room. I'll wear my HEPA respirator and do the whole fresh out of the shower with clean or no clothes method. I'm in the middle of a brew day but as soon as i finish ill move onto mushrooms, ill pressure cook 6 bags in my AA941 for 5 jars of shiitake 3782 and one jar of store bought king clone i set aside because the jar was left open, but it colonized fine.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22496787 - 11/08/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So i was just looking at my pile of spent brew grains and i figured why not. I've grown blues off it in jars so why wouldn't kings. So i tossed 2500g drained spent brewers grain 500 g dry pellets (to absorb excess moisture) and a 100g gypsum into 5 bags then made one control bag with pellets and 10% bran. Loaded up my PC and we shall see!! The bags were the used bag from the first post so there isn't much but time invested into this one. PC at 15 psi for 2:30 and ill move it to my cleaned bathroom for cooling.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22499774 - 11/09/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Total loss on the 3 warm water lime pasteurized bags. Black mold all over em. I'll be giving my king jars a few more days to better colonize then make some boiling water & lime lipa bags later this week. With lipa tek i was getting 10-20% contams, hopefully lime will bump that down to maybe 5-10% which is much more acceptable to me. The next set of XL bags will be 20% less substrate. I realized my martha doesn't have much headroom for fruits with the bags so full. I have the brewers grain and control bag cooling on the counter in my spare bathroom, i'll put one quart of spawn per bag this evening.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22499889 - 11/09/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for posting
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: azur]
#22499995 - 11/09/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why are you messing around with that silly lipa tek instead of just properly pasteurizing your subs.? 
Boiling water is well beyond target temperature.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: poofterFroth]
#22500346 - 11/09/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because fuel pellets don't take as well to pasteurizing like straw does, lipa tek seems to be almost fractional sterilization coupled with clean substrate. I realize boiling water is beyond the temp but it's the tek and it works even with bran supplements. I have 10 jars of the same king culture i can do a comparison with. 5 bags using boiling water and 5 using 173F water which should yield a 145 substrate start temp.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22500438 - 11/09/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: Because fuel pellets don't take as well to pasteurizing like straw does, lipa tek seems to be almost fractional sterilization coupled with clean substrate. I realize boiling water is beyond the temp but it's the tek and it works even with bran supplements. I have 10 jars of the same king culture i can do a comparison with. 5 bags using boiling water and 5 using 173F water which should yield a 145 substrate start temp.
Agreed. I have good success with the tek. I have tried it using lower temperatures and it was a disaster. Green everywhere.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22500552 - 11/09/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok maybe i'll make 2 bags with lower temp lol. I cant afford disasters, i still need to turn a profit!
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22522965 - 11/14/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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millions of pins but most aborted. I cut the bags 4-5" above the casing and pulled the sensor out of my chamber forcing my foggers on 100% duty cycle. It seems one fogger is keeping it with a nice layer of mist, two was soaking the chamber. Im using tiny 2" computer fans on both the intake and exhaust and i deleted the swamp cooler unit, considering making a heating chamber before the fogger bucket using a 150W light bulb style infrared heater in an old ammo box. I plan to drop the garage to 50-60 but want this chamber around 55-65 for kings, shiitake and maitake.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22523030 - 11/14/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said:

millions of pins but most aborted. I cut the bags 4-5" above the casing and pulled the sensor out of my chamber forcing my foggers on 100% duty cycle. It seems one fogger is keeping it with a nice layer of mist, two was soaking the chamber. Im using tiny 2" computer fans on both the intake and exhaust and i deleted the swamp cooler unit, considering making a heating chamber before the fogger bucket using a 150W light bulb style infrared heater in an old ammo box. I plan to drop the garage to 50-60 but want this chamber around 55-65 for kings, shiitake and maitake.
Wow! Nice pinset! As far as the aborts go, I'm wondering if they are getting too wet. I have noticed that when pins of oyster (not sure of other kinds) mushrooms are small, they don't like being too wet. After they get a little bigger, they seem to handle misting better.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22523327 - 11/14/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had them in the sealed bag so it could have been too high RH and not enough FAE? I don't mind getting 3-4 monsters per bag anyways.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22523358 - 11/14/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: I had them in the sealed bag so it could have been too high RH and not enough FAE? I don't mind getting 3-4 monsters per bag anyways.
I suppose that's possible. I'm still learning myself. Yeah, the only one I had grow on the contaminated straw bag I had, was like 4.25 oz or so. And that's a baby compared to allot I have seen here.
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