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Gr0wer
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22458626 - 10/31/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks ready to case right? I think i'll do a coir verm casing since it's what i have on hand.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22458867 - 10/31/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it necessary to cut the bags? I seem to recall reading that if if you keep the temps low >200F the bags will last 5-6 times?
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: moonlightmushrooms]
#22459247 - 10/31/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess i could open the top and peel it back for later re use. Yea i've heard even with PCing you can get 3 or so cycles out of them.
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Gr0wer
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22460016 - 10/31/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cased with coir/verm, should have made more as i barely covered the substrate. Ill let them colonize some of the casing for a few days until i have room in my martha to fruit.
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amp244
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22460229 - 11/01/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here go. From Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms by Paul Stamets




-------------------- How to Convert a Normal 24-hour Light Timer into a Short Cycle Repeating Timer "Monopoly, besides, is a great enemy to good management, which can never be universally established but in consequence of that free and universal competition which forces everybody to have recourse in it for the sake of self-defense." -Adam Smith
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Gr0wer
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: amp244]
#22461362 - 11/01/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks for sharing but you might want to take that down due to copyright infringement.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22461374 - 11/01/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't intend on profiting from its distribution. The property is Paul Stamets' and not my own.
Just type "Growing gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms PDF" into google and multiple sources offer the entire book in PDF form absolutely free.
-------------------- How to Convert a Normal 24-hour Light Timer into a Short Cycle Repeating Timer "Monopoly, besides, is a great enemy to good management, which can never be universally established but in consequence of that free and universal competition which forces everybody to have recourse in it for the sake of self-defense." -Adam Smith
Edited by amp244 (11/01/15 10:07 AM)
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Gr0wer
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: amp244]
#22461653 - 11/01/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh ok i didn't know he released it like that. Well thanks for sharing, interesting about the spawning sawdust onto straw for larger yields.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22461738 - 11/01/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The last page he talks about slicing the bags 3-4" above substrate level to create the perfect microclimate for fruiting.
-------------------- How to Convert a Normal 24-hour Light Timer into a Short Cycle Repeating Timer "Monopoly, besides, is a great enemy to good management, which can never be universally established but in consequence of that free and universal competition which forces everybody to have recourse in it for the sake of self-defense." -Adam Smith
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: amp244]
#22462500 - 11/01/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok cool thanks will do!
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22464346 - 11/01/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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you don't have to case if you can keep the humidity fogged. better yet to let the bags 'ripen' a few weeks, cold shock, and let them pin in the bag. then cut the tops off the bags if you're going for a trumpet shape.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: drake89]
#22464454 - 11/01/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the pointers drake. Glad i didn't cut the bags open yet. I'll place them outside later this week, the nights have been down in the 50s lately. I should be able to fog my grow chamber, especially once i get the pinks out of there and into my grow room.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22470167 - 11/03/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Casing is 1/2 colonized. One bag has two spots where the myc is popping through the casing. I just have paperclips on the folded over ends so hopefully the FAE, cold shock tonight, and lighting will induce some invitro pins. All the bags are solid white now.
Edited by Gr0wer (11/03/15 09:35 AM)
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22470391 - 11/03/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What do you do for a cold shock?
-------------------- Jim Morrison's Trade List Live Long and Myceliate! The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Ayn Rand
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22470645 - 11/03/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll place them outside since its been in the 40s lately. My other option is a chest freezer with stc-1000
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22470684 - 11/03/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: I'll place them outside since its been in the 40s lately. My other option is a chest freezer with stc-1000
You just leave them out for a day or how long.
-------------------- Jim Morrison's Trade List Live Long and Myceliate! The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Ayn Rand
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22470838 - 11/03/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll do it for one night. This is my first time growing kings, drake how long and cold do u shock for?
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22470947 - 11/03/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've just started trying kings, that's why so many questions. I love all the info I get from this site. I have some pinning now, but I didn't really know what I did. They took forever to start pinning and I had them in the garage. I know the temperature here has fluctuated wildly lately.
-------------------- Jim Morrison's Trade List Live Long and Myceliate! The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Ayn Rand
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22471827 - 11/03/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gr0wer said: I'll do it for one night. This is my first time growing kings, drake how long and cold do u shock for?
i dunno. if you can keep them around 60 that's ideal. around 50 and they take forever to grow. closer to 70 and they'll grow hollow stems. not to mention you'll have flies and bacteria to deal with.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: drake89]
#22474032 - 11/03/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have the 5 king bags sitting outside tonight for a cold shock. I also mixed up 3 more bags with lime and just warm water. I also used 2 quarts spawn vs 1. I made a solution of 60g lime in 4 gal 100F water. Bags are made as follows,
1800g pellets 200g wheat bran ~10% 100g gypsum ~5% 2200g 100F lime water 2 quart jars of milo spawn king oyster storebought clone
I stole the lime water solution idea from aleon, makes for a much better distribution of lime. If i have high contams ill add the heat back in and do a heat and lime pasteurization. If all else fails i can fall back on my AA941.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19367080/fpart/all/vc/1
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