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Gr0wer
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King Oyster on lipa Pasteurized Fuel Pellets / brewers spent grain trials
#22397270 - 10/18/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Giving fuel pellets a go for the first time and figured play it safe with lipa tek and 7% gypsum. First I made a test batch to find 1200g water per kg substrate is about perfect with only a few drips of water when squeezed, 1300g was too soaked and dripped excessively when squeezed.
Here is how it went down,
140g gypsum per bag filled each bag to 2000g with 100% oak fuel pellets placed bags on scale and added 2400g boiling water using kettle with valve and hi temp hose Placed probe into one bag, read 176F to start Placed six bags into cooler and allowed to sit overnight Come morning the bags were still 105F so i removed from the cooler to speed up cooling Spawned each bag with 1qt king oyster millet spawn Plans are to cut the bag, case with verm


culture is from amp 244 storebought clone same as grown in this thread
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22274612/page/1
Edited by Gr0wer (11/30/15 12:03 AM)
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22398087 - 10/18/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gr0wer
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22398272 - 10/18/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I actually switched the substrate to XL grow bags. The large bags were too small for almost 10 lbs of sub + quart of spawn. I left the first bag in the L bag since i already went through the effort of mixing the spawn in, took about 5 times longer than the XL bags to thoroughly mix. I'll rinse out the L bags for sterilization use later. My shelves are all full with jars and pink oyster bags so these guys get the floor.
now we wait...
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22398274 - 10/18/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let me just squeeze in right here....
Nice going Gr0wer! I cant wait to see how this goes.
Did you notice how aggressive and fast that mycelium was? It just tore through my WBS jars.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: amp244]
#22398330 - 10/18/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its some real dense fast growth, hopefully i have equally as good results indoors and out. I think ill give one bag to my friend to fruit outdoors, probably break it up into more pellets and bury it. Nighttime temps are forecast to be in the mid 50s starting next week so i think timing was perfect!
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22406644 - 10/19/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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minor update, growth started. I have 14 more jars colonizing for more bags this weekend. Now i need to build my new fruiting chamber for more space!
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22406678 - 10/19/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
#22406687 - 10/19/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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King oysters require cold temps in order to initiate fruiting?
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
#22406796 - 10/20/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are a cooler weather oyster. Prior to a few weeks ago my chamber would be 70-80F which is a bit hot or so i've read. Im now down in the low 70s to high 60s in my garage. I actually have another strain of kings in route so i'm interested to see how these two do side by side.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22410756 - 10/20/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking good

Moved them to the top shelf after moving around some junk.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22411671 - 10/20/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just prepped up another 7 lipa bags. Added 100g red wheat bran to three of the bags for 5% bran. I also decreased my temps from a 205 boil to 195 since last time i saw 176 substrate temp and now i'm at 171 start. I'm still on the fence on figuring out the logic of this is lipa tek. Should i attempt to lower the temp for a more typical pasteurization temps with supplements? Or leave it at a boil and shoot for more of a low temp fractional sterilization? Either way i really need to get some cinder blocks and expanded steel for my drum to sterilize some 15-20% bran bags in the next few weeks. Sq ft is at a premium at my place and these unsupplemented bags are for the birds.
Edited by Gr0wer (10/20/15 11:40 PM)
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22412240 - 10/21/15 04:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would use the boiling water if you're going to use supplements.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22416039 - 10/21/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Opinion taken, keep to the tek is prolly best. Go for more of a fractional sterilization as there are really no beneficial bacteria in pellet fuels vs say manures or composts. I spawned the bags today so we will see how it all turns out over the next week. Hopefully no contams. I spawned outdoors and it was raining so there should be minimal airborne spores and dust for the supplemented bags. The first 6 bags are about 25% colonized now, hopefully finish up this weekend and case early next week.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22417030 - 10/22/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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contaminants usually show up around day 5 for me when I have an under-cooked batch. just a thought.
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Gr0wer
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: drake89]
#22421785 - 10/23/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking good. Ill case with verm this weekend. These are the first bags with no bran. Ill have to PC my verm as it was packing material and not a clean bag.
total lipa bags 13 king oyster bags 3 with 5% bran 5 blue oyster multispore bags
190 lbs total!! I'm hoping for 2 lbs harvested per bag, especially with the bran bags if they don't contam.
now i need to buy more pellet fuel
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22421822 - 10/23/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks a little early to case those yet. I'd let em colonize a bit longer.
My kings always take an extra week or two longer then regular oysters before I start seeing pins.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: poofterFroth]
#22421834 - 10/23/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you get 2# per bag I'll fly you down to my farm and pay you $1000
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: drake89]
#22422180 - 10/23/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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handshake lol?
I've seen posts where people claim to get a lb off a bag half the size. These are XL bags with 2 kilos of DRY substrate 5 kilos total wet and spawned . I would only need to hit 50% BE and i have a large sum of my grow paid off.... 
On second though my straw bags which get 1 lb first flush and maybe another 1/2-3/4 2nd and third flush weigh in at 6-7 kilos wet.. so 2 lbs off 5 kilos of sawdust might be a stretch without bran. But that's pinks which are known for lower BE and these are king and blues.... Stay tuned.
Edited by Gr0wer (10/23/15 09:58 AM)
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: Gr0wer]
#22422567 - 10/23/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gr0wer said: handshake lol?
I've seen posts where people claim to get a lb off a bag half the size. These are XL bags with 2 kilos of DRY substrate 5 kilos total wet and spawned . I would only need to hit 50% BE and i have a large sum of my grow paid off.... 
On second though my straw bags which get 1 lb first flush and maybe another 1/2-3/4 2nd and third flush weigh in at 6-7 kilos wet.. so 2 lbs off 5 kilos of sawdust might be a stretch without bran. But that's pinks which are known for lower BE and these are king and blues.... Stay tuned.
I couldn't tell they were the XL bags. but good luck! 2lbs would still be pretty impressive with little or no supplements.
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Re: King Oyster and Pasteurized Fuel Pellets with gypsum [Re: drake89]
#22433837 - 10/25/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So. 4/5 of the first batch are laden with green nasty. And these were unsupplemented bags. Id be willing to bet the bran ones will contam 100%. Looks like ill be converting my pasteurizer to a steamer real soon. Looks like the outdoor king path will be sooner than expected. The only thing i didn't do to TEK was i spawned at 1/2 the rate, that might have been the culprit. Also i'm not sure if kings were the best choice for this TEK. Looks like ill be prepping up jars tomorrow to reset with.
Edited by Gr0wer (10/25/15 09:28 PM)
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