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Machiavelliavore
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Can casing be disadvantageous for prolifically pinning isolates?
#22396249 - 10/18/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had a few isolates/clones that have been pinning an insane amount. I'm talking coast to coast solid matting of pins. Some of them have grown tons of tiny mushrooms. Others have aborted super hard (not many blackheads, but they basically cease to develop.) These tend to be coupled with early giants that get massive while the rest of the pins that come in at a normal timing are malnourished and small.
I case pretty much everything, since I have had no casing related contamination problems, and it seems there's no reason not too since it would be consolidating instead of colonizing the casing anyway. Also I need to feel validated for buying that 3cu of peat.
Anyway, my question is mostly for the pros who have a lot of experience with different strains (actual strains.) Have you found any that just pin too prolifically with a casing, but when fruited without one, produce a better quantity of pins for the substrate and yield better?
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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FriedEgg



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Re: Can casing be disadvantageous for prolifically pinning isolates? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22396409 - 10/18/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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what kind of spawn ratio are you using?
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Can casing be disadvantageous for prolifically pinning isolates? [Re: FriedEgg]
#22396428 - 10/18/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Between 1:1.5 and 1:2, based on the assumption of ~3 cups/"quart" Done WBS or Rice spawned to Coir + Gypsum or Straw + Gypsum.
Straw had especially bad results. Water capacity at low spawn ratio may be insufficient.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Can casing be disadvantageous for prolifically pinning isolates? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22396717 - 10/18/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If your pinset is too large for the water supply to support then your results are expected. I often will pour water in between the sub and liner if the sub starts to shrink fast as that is a sign that water supply is quickly being depleted. Heavy misting also can help. Occasionally I do run across a culture where this isn't even enough to help, tho that is rare. I suspect that in that scenario there may be too much pressure internally for the water to be transported effectively. Believe it or not I have found really deep substrates to be counter productive in those instances.
Also straw can hold a huge amount of water compared to other bulk materials. If the straw is being depleted too quick i suspect that you are either not getting it to field capacity or something is drying it out prematurely.
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Can casing be disadvantageous for prolifically pinning isolates? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22398849 - 10/18/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been pasteurizing 1.5-2 hours. Seems wet and limp-ish, about as hydrated as I could expect it to be. Been squeezing it out a bit so it isn't sopping wet.
One possible issue with that is it's random straw I got of craigslist. Might be the wrong type.
I think I'll try like 2 cups actual spawn to 2 quarts coir next time, see how it goes, while doing more small scale straw experiments, since I've had a lot of contamination problems with a straw coir mix I was trying.
Your 6oz from 2qt's in one flush result has really inspired me to keep working to get peak efficiency out of my coir and isolates.
I haven't seen huge shrinkage, and I'm trying to keep my sub depth at 3" or under.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (10/18/15 05:24 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Can casing be disadvantageous for prolifically pinning isolates? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22398909 - 10/18/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That tub was just coir and verm. it took me a while to find genetics that good. They are worth finding tho.
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FriedEgg



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Re: Can casing be disadvantageous for prolifically pinning isolates? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22401150 - 10/19/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: That tub was just coir and verm. it took me a while to find genetics that good. They are worth finding tho.
you should write a tek about finding good genetics  i'm sure a lot of people would benefit from something like that.
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