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Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light?
#22396236 - 10/18/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well??
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
#22396248 - 10/18/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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are you talking about some cern shit or something?
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: luvdemboomers]
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I'm saying, for example, when you look at your computer, it is already there. It would take the speed of light to register in your brain it is there but nonetheless is was already there. So wouldn't that make it faster than light?
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead] 5
#22396259 - 10/18/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you look at your computer you are seeing light Thats why we can't see shit when its dark
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: nice1returns]
#22396261 - 10/18/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I said for example. When you see anything you are seeing light.
I am saying if something is, then it is faster than the speed of light. No?
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
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No, the position of light waves move, for example when you turn on a light switch, waves are moving from that bulb into your eye. Matter on the other hand is not moving at all. It is not changing positions. Your brain is registering it as "there" because of the visible light entering ones eye. And even if you were able to get matter to move, it could still never reach the speed of light. Thats one of the fundamental laws of physics, that no matter can move at the speed of light
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: OliverJames]
#22396278 - 10/18/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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But particles are also moving inside the glass off that light-bulb and we don't know it until we can define it with light so wouldn't that light-bulb or any object and its makeup be faster than the light that is reflecting off it into our brains?
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead] 2
#22396279 - 10/18/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You didn't add "should I sober up" to the poll
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
#22396284 - 10/18/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, you don't need light to define the position of a particle/group of particles. Just because you cannot see something (due to the lack of visible) does not mean it is not there. Again, faster is a word related to velocity and acceleration. For there to be acceleration, there needs to be velocity. In this case, the "things" you see have no velocity, they are not changing positions. The particles that make up that light bulb will remain in the exact spot.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
#22396396 - 10/18/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look into quantum entanglement.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: nice1returns]
#22396402 - 10/18/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice1returns said: Look into quantum entanglement.
and then realize that even it does not allow information to travel faster than light.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: DieCommie] 1
#22396434 - 10/18/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats debatable some scientists say we havn't learnt how to use it to send information yet. Since we don't understand it we can't fully know if its possible yet.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: nice1returns]
#22396440 - 10/18/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Imagine a guy sitting in a train smoking a cigar. He exhales, and the smoke billows peacefully in all directions.
Meanwhile however the train is going 90 miles an hour.
Just because all we can observe (particles of the smoke cloud) is moving slow and gentle relative to one another doesn't mean we can't actually be moving at bedazzling speed.
Our observable universe could have been ejected at incredible velocity and still travel at that speed.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Asante]
#22396464 - 10/18/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is Fatter Master Than The Leed of Spight?
do I have some sort of neurological disorder for wanting to read/rewrite the title in that fashion? Or am I just high?
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Everlong]
#22396616 - 10/18/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I bump into stuff I tend to think so
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: nice1returns]
#22397161 - 10/18/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice1returns said: Thats debatable some scientists say we havn't learnt how to use it to send information yet. Since we don't understand it we can't fully know if its possible yet.
No, its not debatable. Communicating faster than light might be possible if existing theories are overturned... but it would not be had by entanglement which exists under our current theories. Its a ridiculously simple exercise to see that no communication is sent by quantum entanglement.
If you care to understand, I wrote about it here; http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15901428#15901428
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
#22397180 - 10/18/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: I'm saying, for example, when you look at your computer, it is already there. It would take the speed of light to register in your brain it is there but nonetheless is was already there. So wouldn't that make it faster than light?
your perception is that it's already there, what travels to your eye travels at the speed of light, it's something that humans are unable to perceive visually
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
#22397716 - 10/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Matter does not equal light.
But matter can turn into light (nukes, bonfires, glowsticks etc).
Could matter travel faster than the speed of light.
Not sure
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22397777 - 10/18/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Matter could already be traveling faster than light, and you would never know.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: total]
#22397796 - 10/18/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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total said: Matter could already be traveling faster than light, and you would never know.
If so then many things we take for granted and observe would be necessarily falsified (like conservation of energy, causes preceding effects).
Why would we never know? We can observe an effect preceding a cause and that would be evidence of matter going faster than light. We can observe that physics is not the same in every reference frame, thus the postulate of relativity is undermined and conservation of energy is not held (per noether's theorem).
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397826 - 10/18/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What makes you think you could "observe" it? Those 2 spots on your face that see light? Im sure they will catch something moving faster than what they observe. If not that, then maybe you can feel it. Im sure that will feel nice.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: total]
#22397854 - 10/18/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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vandago said: You didn't add "should I sober up" to the poll
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Everlong said: Is Fatter Master Than The Leed of Spight?
do I have some sort of neurological disorder for wanting to read/rewrite the title in that fashion? Or am I just high? 
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: total]
#22397855 - 10/18/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I already gave you two observations that would support the notion of faster than light matter... Observing an effect preceding a cause would be possible with faster than light matter. Observing a violation of relativity's postulates would be possible with faster than light matter (and conservation of energy is implied by relativity's postulate as well, so observing a violation of that principle also supports faster than light matter).
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
#22397873 - 10/18/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: I'm saying, for example, when you look at your computer, it is already there. It would take the speed of light to register in your brain it is there but nonetheless is was already there. So wouldn't that make it faster than light?
I've read this three times and it hurts my head every time.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead] 1
#22397885 - 10/18/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Well??
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
#22397945 - 10/18/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Mad_Larkin] 1
#22398409 - 10/18/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It appears OP doesn't know what "matter", "speed", or "light" are.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: KevinDontWave]
#22398411 - 10/18/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KevinDontWave said: It appears OP doesn't know what "matter", "speed", or "light" are.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22398435 - 10/18/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Matter cannot reach the speed of light because as it approaches C (the speed of light) it requires more energy for acceleration. Given mass = energy & energy = mass this proposes a problem. Simply giving it energy gives it mass.
This is the reason rocket ships taper off, they are designed to readily loose mass when they hit that acceleration curb.
It's fascinating, but pearls before swine at any rate.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: OliverJames]
#22398519 - 10/18/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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OliverJames said: No, the position of light waves move, for example when you turn on a light switch, waves are moving from that bulb into your eye. Matter on the other hand is not moving at all. It is not changing positions. Your brain is registering it as "there" because of the visible light entering ones eye. And even if you were able to get matter to move, it could still never reach the speed of light. Thats one of the fundamental laws of physics, that no matter can move at the speed of light
If it did, it would conceivably make time travel possible. Go past the speed of light for 100 years in say a train going round the world and you will have aged only 20. It is an unbreakable rule of physics.
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OliverJames said: No, the position of light waves move, for example when you turn on a light switch, waves are moving from that bulb into your eye. Matter on the other hand is not moving at all. It is not changing positions. Your brain is registering it as "there" because of the visible light entering ones eye. And even if you were able to get matter to move, it could still never reach the speed of light. Thats one of the fundamental laws of physics, that no matter can move at the speed of light
If it did, it would conceivably make time travel possible. Go past the speed of light for 100 years in say a train going round the world and you will have aged only 20. It is an unbreakable rule of physics.
Is it time travel if you're still traveling through space? Isn't that just regular old travel?
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: KevinDontWave]
#22398649 - 10/18/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: KevinDontWave]
#22398655 - 10/18/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KevinDontWave said: Is it time travel if you're still traveling through space? Isn't that just regular old travel?
If you go faster than light you can do both.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: DieCommie]
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
#22398680 - 10/18/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are connected and related via the space-time interval, but they not the same thing. They have different fundamental units (meter vs second) and mathematically the "metric" component of time is different than the metric component of space, they have opposite signs.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: DieCommie]
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KevinDontWave said: Is it time travel if you're still traveling through space? Isn't that just regular old travel?
If you go faster than light you can do both.
I guess the point I was getting at is that time is inextricably linked to space.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: KevinDontWave]
#22398750 - 10/18/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, but you cannot go backwards unless you go faster than light. At slower than light speeds you can only go forward, forward at different rates depending on your relative velocity, but forward only.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: DieCommie]
#22399292 - 10/18/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The answer to this thread is E=Mc2, noobs.
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: KevinDontWave]
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OliverJames said: No, the position of light waves move, for example when you turn on a light switch, waves are moving from that bulb into your eye. Matter on the other hand is not moving at all. It is not changing positions. Your brain is registering it as "there" because of the visible light entering ones eye. And even if you were able to get matter to move, it could still never reach the speed of light. Thats one of the fundamental laws of physics, that no matter can move at the speed of light
If it did, it would conceivably make time travel possible. Go past the speed of light for 100 years in say a train going round the world and you will have aged only 20. It is an unbreakable rule of physics.
Is it time travel if you're still traveling through space? Isn't that just regular old travel?[/quote}
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Re: Is Matter Faster Than The Speed of Light? [Re: Shiithead]
#22399340 - 10/18/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes, clearly it is
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