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Offlinejardinero
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almost 100% aborts on pf cakes
    #2239605 - 01/13/04 05:21 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

if you got good colonization on cakes and have them under good humidity and temp etc., yet are getting only mini-shrooms, as in less than 1/2", what could be wrong? assuming PC, a thai variety from HE. did searches, could not find answer. thx for any wisdom.


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: jardinero]
    #2239639 - 01/13/04 05:39 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

how is your air exchange? did they go thriugh a environmental shock..IE left lid of terrarium, severe temp drop anything like thgat?


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: jardinero]
    #2239746 - 01/13/04 06:19 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

what are air/light/temp conditions?


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: simplemachine]
    #2240034 - 01/13/04 08:26 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

85 DEGREES, dim light 6 hr. per day, air only when plexiglas lid is lifted once per day for a few minutes.


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: jardinero]
    #2240037 - 01/13/04 08:28 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

that's most likely our problem. fan those poor boys. you need to be checking them daily, and simply take off the lid, and even if you have to , use the lid as a giant fan and just fan them out real quick.

also, you say they're short, are they fat? if so, they might be water logged? what are they sitting on? directly on perlite? verm? anything?

need more details bro :smile:

as for the lighting, you may also not have enough? iono, when my fruiting is going on i have it on for 6 hours, off for 6 hours, on for 6, off for 6.

hope this helps, g'luck.


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: alienated]
    #2240047 - 01/13/04 08:33 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

short, skinny, very tiny, almost need magnification to see them. above perlite on a screen, not touching water. is a night lite enough in a small chamber? will up to 6 on, 6 off. how long with the lid off to give them air? thx senor


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: jardinero]
    #2240114 - 01/13/04 09:19 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

you have to fan that shit, not just remove the plexiglass, co2 sinks so it'll all be on the bottom not going anywhere when you remove the top, and a night light if enough yes


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: jardinero]
    #2240305 - 01/13/04 10:30 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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jardinero said:
if you got good colonization on cakes and have them under good humidity and temp etc., yet are getting only mini-shrooms, as in less than 1/2", what could be wrong? assuming PC, a thai variety from HE. did searches, could not find answer. thx for any wisdom.




An aborted mushroom never develops past a "pin" shape, tho they can abort at somewhat large sizes. The caps never detach from the body in any way. If your mushrooms are opening up that means that they aren't aborts, they are tiny mushrooms. I'd say it's most likely due to a lack of air exchange. Try to fan them a time or two more per day. It could just as easily be a lack of humidity, so make sure that is right too.

Let us know if anything worked, good luck. Make sure to dunk and roll those cakes!


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: simplemachine]
    #2240369 - 01/13/04 10:47 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

if you put polyfill in dime sized holes in the lids during fruiting, does this lessen or eliminate the need to remove the chamber lid and fan for air exchange? how tight do you need to pack the polyfill in the holes?


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: jardinero]
    #2240394 - 01/13/04 10:59 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

sounds like total lack of o2. you need to open that badboy up once, if not two times a day and fan it out. If you're using the tube in tube incubator, just take the top lid off, and heavily fan it out 5-10 times. Not heavy enough to knock over your babies, but enough to get a fresh set of o2.

are the pins dark in color, if not black already?

but then again, may be pre-birth?

you could be like "nah dawg, these are just the ones that start off, die then the big badass shrooms start growing in behind them".

if you tell yourself that you can maybe smile about this situation :smile:

gluck

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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: jardinero]
    #2240489 - 01/14/04 12:56 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

did you dunk?


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: four20snakeman]
    #2240881 - 01/14/04 06:11 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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four20snakeman said:
did you dunk?




yeah did you?
i'd bet you didn't.


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: jardinero]
    #2241222 - 01/14/04 12:00 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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jardinero said:
if you put polyfill in dime sized holes in the lids during fruiting, does this lessen or eliminate the need to remove the chamber lid and fan for air exchange? how tight do you need to pack the polyfill in the holes?




no, because CO2 is heavier than O2 you would have to place the holes at the bottom just above the perlite, filtering it would be better done with tyvek because it allows a little more gas exchange and for optimum exchange you'd need a fan at the top pushing fresh air into the chamber and with any of these you'll increase the amount of misting that you do.

Easyest way, fan for a minute, mist and recover. do it any time you look at it, or at least 4 times per day.


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Re: almost 100% aborts on pf cakes [Re: Granola]
    #2241581 - 01/14/04 02:34 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

have the same problem here, my last 3 grows were great, now this un has produced all aborts????they start out looking great than just seem to wither away,but my 2nd flush looks like it's coming in better than did the first. all r dunked and rolled cold shocked, temps 75-80, 100% humidity,air exchange every 4 hours i just dunno?


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