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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22452637 - 10/30/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/26/1500431/for-the-sixth-time-in-one-week-man-shot-at-gun-show/





that guy must have been a real asshole to get shot 6 times in a week,
you'd think he would be smart enough not to be a dick at gunshows
after about the third time he was shot

BTW, that article links to a twitter account that links to this

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/errors/404/

is twitter your news source?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22452688 - 10/30/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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By a lower court, or is your ignorance of the court system in this country equal to your ignorance on firearms?

Have some self respect.




Yeah. Lower courts set case law 98.5% of the time. The Supreme Court only takes 150 cases a year.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22452702 - 10/30/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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By a lower court, or is your ignorance of the court system in this country equal to your ignorance on firearms?

Have some self respect.




Yeah. Lower courts set case law 98.5% of the time. The Supreme Court only takes 150 cases a year.





lower courts upholding semiautomatic bans violates the laws established by the supreme courts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/21/2nd-circuit-upholds-n-y-and-conn-arms-bans-contradicts-heller-mcdonald/


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22452703 - 10/30/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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ohcrapitsnico said:
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What? London and Paris are bigger than any American city. London has twice th population of New York.



Lol you are delusional if you think london has twice the population of new york. Which ass did you pull that out of?




The same ass where he considers a 'jury instruction' to be a ruling/decision.




Yes, it is decision. The guy wanted a new trial because the judge gave the jury instructions that his gun was not protected by the second ammendment.The court found that his gun was not protected and his appeal was denied. That is what is called case law. You suck at this


In United States v. Gilbert, 286 Fed. Appx. 383, 2008 WL 2740453 (9th Cir. July 15, 2008), the Ninth Circuit approved a jury instruction that an individual does not have a Second Amendment right to possess a machine gun or a short-barreled rifle. The court explained that under Heller, “individuals still do not have the right to possess machineguns or short-barreled rifles, as Gilbert did . . .” 286 Fed. Appx. at 386.2
The Petitioner argues that the limitations placed on the Second Amendment right to bear arms by the majority opinion in Heller can not square with the Court’s earlier decision in Miller. Whatever merit there is to that argument, however, this Court is bound by the Heller opinion as written.
IV. Conclusion
For the reasons set forth herein, the Court concludes that Petitioner is not entitled to relief
under 28 U.S.C. § 2255. T


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22452709 - 10/30/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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By a lower court, or is your ignorance of the court system in this country equal to your ignorance on firearms?

Have some self respect.




Yeah. Lower courts set case law 98.5% of the time. The Supreme Court only takes 150 cases a year.





lower courts upholding semiautomatic bans violates the laws established by the supreme courts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/21/2nd-circuit-upholds-n-y-and-conn-arms-bans-contradicts-heller-mcdonald/




I guess we'll see if the Supreme Court takes up an appeal or not. If
Not that decision stands and becomes stare decisis.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22452818 - 10/30/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

ohcrapitsnico said:
Quote:

koods said:
What? London and Paris are bigger than any American city. London has twice th population of New York.



Lol you are delusional if you think london has twice the population of new york. Which ass did you pull that out of?




The same ass where he considers a 'jury instruction' to be a ruling/decision.




Yes, it is decision. The guy wanted a new trial because the judge gave the jury instructions that his gun was not protected by the second ammendment.The court found that his gun was not protected and his appeal was denied. That is what is called case law. You suck at this


In United States v. Gilbert, 286 Fed. Appx. 383, 2008 WL 2740453 (9th Cir. July 15, 2008), the Ninth Circuit approved a jury instruction that an individual does not have a Second Amendment right to possess a machine gun or a short-barreled rifle. The court explained that under Heller, “individuals still do not have the right to possess machineguns or short-barreled rifles, as Gilbert did . . .” 286 Fed. Appx. at 386.2
The Petitioner argues that the limitations placed on the Second Amendment right to bear arms by the majority opinion in Heller can not square with the Court’s earlier decision in Miller. Whatever merit there is to that argument, however, this Court is bound by the Heller opinion as written.
IV. Conclusion
For the reasons set forth herein, the Court concludes that Petitioner is not entitled to relief
under 28 U.S.C. § 2255. T




:lolsy:

"jury instruction" = "decision".  :lmafo:

It's good you're not a lawyer.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22452840 - 10/30/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You clearly didn't read the opinion.

It's obvious you aren't a lawyer


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22452857 - 10/30/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You clearly didn't read the opinion.

It's obvious you aren't a lawyer





you're still trying to push jury instruction as a ruling, why not post up the
'opinion' and the case you're referring to


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22452866 - 10/30/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I did.

I posted the entire decision on a previous page, and the relevant section appears twice on this page.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22452878 - 10/30/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I see a  link to a new york times article an a short snippet, I dont know what previous page you're talking about


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22452986 - 10/30/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I did.

I posted the entire decision on a previous page, and the relevant section appears twice on this page.




Repeating your claim does not make it so. A jury instruction is not a ruling/decision.

How can you not be ashamed to even say it is?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22453003 - 10/30/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The petitioner said that the judge was wrong telling the jury that his gun was not protected by the second ammendment. The appeals court found that his gun was in fact not protected. It doesn't get much more clear than that.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22453024 - 10/30/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

To a guy that can't grasp the term "jury instruction? Perhaps, especially when that same guy thinks London has twice the population of NYC.

Man up. Admit you said something ludicrous. Or, keep building your rep for spouting bullshit that's easily and demonstrably false.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22453041 - 10/30/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There's no point in arguing this with you. The appeal was based on the jury instruction. Was the judge right saying that the defendants gun was not protected by the second ammendment. Te appeal court examined this question.

You are being intentionally obtuse. I really don't think you are actually so dumb to be stuck on the jury instruction part.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22453051 - 10/30/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

In a link you provided as 'proof'

Quote:

In United States v. Gilbert, 286 Fed. Appx. 383, 2008 WL 2740453 (9th Cir. July 15, 2008), the Ninth Circuit approved a jury instruction that an individual does not have a Second Amendment right to possess a machine gun or a short-barreled rifle. The court explained that under Heller, "individuals still do not have the right to possess machineguns or short-barreled rifles, as Gilbert did ..." The Petitioner argues that the limitations placed on the Second Amendment right to bear arms by the majority opinion in Heller can not square with the Court's earlier decision in Miller. Whatever merit there is to that argument, however, this Court is bound by the Heller opinion as written.




:lolsy:

Clearly, 'obtuse' is another word you have an incorrect understanding of. How sad for you.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22453057 - 10/30/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You are not serious person.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22453071 - 10/30/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quite serious. I have something else going on as well, I have a working knowledge of words and their meanings.

Something you appear to lack.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22455753 - 10/30/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
http://volokh.com/files/hamblen.pdf




unregisterd machine guns...  that seems to be a very important detail that's being
left out just as in 18 U.S.C. §§ 922 shows that civilians can legally own machine
guns. this ruling certainly dosent say that civilian cannot own machine guns, it
says you have to abide by the law regarding ownership and transfer of ownership of
NFA weapons and that brightspark is why you see so many youtube videos of people
with machine guns, because they are in fact legal to own

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22455771 - 10/30/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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There's no point in arguing this with you. The appeal was based on the jury instruction. Was the judge right saying that the defendants gun was not protected by the second ammendment. Te appeal court examined this question.

You are being intentionally obtuse. I really don't think you are actually so dumb to be stuck on the jury instruction part.





they were not registered as is the law regarding machine guns, thus he owned them
illegally, it's like when a felon has a firearm, he does not own it legally and
thus he is in violation of the laws

is it that you cannot read or you want to twist things to suit an agenda


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