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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22437061 - 10/26/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Akuma I wish I had your lighthearted temperament about the subject, and probably should. Unfortunately this is a subject that would directly effect my way of life and my diet in a huge way.  There is no law requiring me to register my weapons and will not out of personal conviction based upon my mistrust in where the governmental future of America and its relations with other forces which may effect me later in life.

I happily abide all.governmental laws regarding my guns.
I can imagine though a world that would be better off with the toy analogy extrapolated and blindly replaced with Teddy bears. Forcing individuals to smother each other in a much more intimate killing.

Logic<law≈illogic?

Hmmm


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: nuentoter]
    #22437161 - 10/26/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

whatever happens happens.
(law can beat logic but logic cannot be lost on anyone. law can be changed≈logic not.)

the constitution is a guideline≈like the law≈it is based on logic (logic = law. logic is required for law to function≈law can change≈logic not≈rights can change)

whatever is considered more logical will proof more successful.  law is not immutable. your right's must essentially be fought for, and though the legal system changes, your right's must be preserved.

removing the legal sale of assault weapons from the books is not infringing on the right of others, if thought out tactfully.

the point is to reduce harm, increase law & order, while being justified.

assault weapon's for home use is not necessarily justified by the constitution. to quote luvdem and pris: "let the court sort it out."

the court are human, they are fallible, they may not have remedied their thoughts on law with logic, which of course ultimately prevails in the human's base motivation, to follow order, but logic can change law which can change order; now the pursuit of happiness and liberty and justice for all is a slogan but it is a fruitful one, it means that 'if you want to fight for it, it's encouraged. here's our rules, you have inalienable rights (which we've decided upon, and therefore the logic stands as law, as a guideline of legal law's deciding what rights we have as humans) and that to secure these rights governments are instituted among humans' deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government
becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it"
it's in the law that decrees that end.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22437232 - 10/26/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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koodsie don need no stinkin facts



get a haircut Ringo.




Ringo? No TV in your parents basement?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22438147 - 10/26/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, the sheriff took an oath to enforce the laws. He shouldn't be making comments about them.





so you're telling us that you're in support of laws that make people criminals
simply because they passed through a county


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22438157 - 10/26/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
Yeah, the sheriff took an oath to enforce the laws. He shouldn't be making comments about them.




The 2nd amendment is the law fwend.




The second amendment doesn't cover the weapons banned by LA. The Supreme Court has made it clear that "unusually dangerous weapons" are not covered by the second amendment. There was just a decision last week ruling that bans on semiautomatic assault weapons and high capacity magazines are constitutional.

You can protest all you want about what you think the second amendment allows, but yours isn't the opinion that matters. It is up to the courts and they say you are wrong.






what is unusually dangerous about a box with a spring in it?

a magazine is not even a weapon


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22438187 - 10/26/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What a strawman. You have a constitutional right to own a hand gun. You do not have the right to own a machine gun.





I think you're going to need to prove that one to us

and for the record, an AR-15 is not a machine gun

this on the other hand is legally and constitutionally owned




also, lucky for me, this little bastard is classified as a hand gun



and I can buy it with a silencer



gods bless the 2nd amendment and the supreme court for letting citizens own these glorious
weapons so we can defend ourselves against shoplifters, jaywalkers and liberals




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Re: The 2nd commandment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22438476 - 10/27/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

how convenient, when u run out of bullets it has an anal prod on the other end to finish the dirty work! :itseveryone:


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Re: The 2nd commandment [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22438544 - 10/27/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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how convenient, when u run out of bullets it has an anal prod on the other end to finish the dirty work! :itseveryone:




Lmao

It's awkward right?


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Re: The 2nd commandment [Re: Shiithead]
    #22440533 - 10/27/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i changed my mind


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Re: The 2nd commandment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22440583 - 10/27/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

In what perspective??


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22440598 - 10/27/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
What a strawman. You have a constitutional right to own a hand gun. You do not have the right to own a machine gun.





I think you're going to need to prove that one to us

and for the record, an AR-15 is not a machine gun

this on the other hand is legally and constitutionally owned




also, lucky for me, this little bastard is classified as a hand gun



and I can buy it with a silencer



gods bless the 2nd amendment and the supreme court for letting citizens own these glorious
weapons so we can defend ourselves against shoplifters, jaywalkers and liberals








Good luck with that. Definitely not covered by the second
Amendment.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22443986 - 10/28/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Good luck with that. Definitely not covered by the second Amendment.




:lmafo:

I suppose if we ask you to back that up you'll once again provide us with a link to a jury instruction?

:lolsy:


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22444026 - 10/28/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Poor, poor koodsie. Your dream of someday banishing firearms is... crap. :rofl2:

As AR-15's and AK-47's are in common use, you'll never see them go away.

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The Supreme Court held:[44]

    (1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.

        (a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

        (b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.

        (c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30.

        (d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32.

        (e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.

        (f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542 , nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252 , refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 , does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes.

    (2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.




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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22444029 - 10/28/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

By the way koodsie... how do you like being a militia member?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods] * 1
    #22444036 - 10/28/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
What a strawman. You have a constitutional right to own a hand gun. You do not have the right to own a machine gun.





I think you're going to need to prove that one to us

and for the record, an AR-15 is not a machine gun

this on the other hand is legally and constitutionally owned




also, lucky for me, this little bastard is classified as a hand gun



and I can buy it with a silencer



gods bless the 2nd amendment and the supreme court for letting citizens own these glorious
weapons so we can defend ourselves against shoplifters, jaywalkers and liberals








Good luck with that. Definitely not covered by the second
Amendment.





then why arent they banned? why are there so many millions of them in the hands
of the general public? do the liberals not want assault weapons banned, fuck
man, if those arent assault weapons then how can a 30 round magazine, pistol grip
and bayonet lug be an assault weapon


clearly those weapons are afforded the protections of the second amendment and
liberals are a bunch of retarded know nothings that think they have a clue about
what's best for the country they're running down so everywhere can be like
baltimore and detroit


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Re: The 2nd commandment [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #22444234 - 10/28/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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In what perspective??



the whole deal



guns are important and so forth


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Re: The 2nd commandment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22444384 - 10/28/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

in other words this thread made you want to shoot people and you want guns legal to leave that option open:smilingpuppy:


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Re: The 2nd commandment [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22446258 - 10/28/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no its just that in the grand scheme of things the people who are dying from gun violence are mostly criminals and idiots anyway, and a little bit of population control can't really hurt us at this point, especially in those two portions of the populations. of course there is always collateral damage but I mean it really isn't that much. I have never once feared for my life because of a gun but there have been times where i felt safer because there was one around.  so i am cool with guns.


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Re: The 2nd commandment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22446953 - 10/28/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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no its just that in the grand scheme of things the people who are dying from gun violence are mostly criminals and idiots anyway, and a little bit of population control can't really hurt us at this point, especially in those two portions of the populations. of course there is always collateral damage but I mean it really isn't that much. I have never once feared for my life because of a gun but there have been times where i felt safer because there was one around.  so i am cool with guns.




Exactly. Mostly lame gang members shooting each other up, and in large cities- EU country populations are a lot smaller so they are not as affected by this statistic.


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Re: The 2nd commandment [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22447043 - 10/28/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What? London and Paris are bigger than any American city. London has twice th population of New York.


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