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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Shiithead]
#22436270 - 10/26/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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and again we circle back to Law trumps Constitution.
if the laws change, then you'll be the one who is dreaming. consider this a warning, i guess. i wouldn't want you getting hurt or jailed because of your misapprehension.
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I think we should allow everyone to have a musket, just like the founders wanted.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436299 - 10/26/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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maybe some flintlocks in rotation might really serve the militia well. hmmm, i'll take it under advisement.
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if the laws change
They won't change.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Shiithead]
#22436307 - 10/26/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no, they most certainly won't. thank goodness we have those guidelines to help us with writing just laws. but some of your understanding might be a bit blemished when the law has come through.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436376 - 10/26/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: It's extremely inappropriate for cops, in their official capacity, to make public statements about the laws they have sworn to uphold.
So by taking a public office they lose their right to speak? 
Aren't you quite the totalitarian.
I suspect if he had made a pro gun control comment you'd be whooping it up. "See! See! Even the sheriff agrees!
Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. Are you not familiar with the hatch act?
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It is impermissible to: • Allow one’s name or likeness to be used in campaign literature in the police officer’s professional capacity; • Host a fundraiser for a political candidate and recruit attendees using the officer’s official title (however, a spouse who is not covered under this Act may host such a fundraiser and the officer may attend, but may not personally solicit contributions to the fundraiser); • Allow the officer’s name to appear on an invitation to a fundraiser as a sponsor of the fundraiser or as a point of contact for the fundraiser; • Engage in campaigning during working hours; • Use any official authority for influence for political purposes, including using the officer’s official title or authority to coerce individuals to participate in political activity; • Run for any elected partisan office; • Solicit, accept, or receive uncompensated individual volunteer services from a subordinate for any political purpose.
http://www.fop.net/programs/research/hatchact.pdf
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436384 - 10/26/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Those are definitely not covered by the second amendment. No fully automatic weapons are.
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koods said: As a gun owner you are part of the "militia" of citizens with guns the founders imagined and it says you should be well regulated. It's fucking amazing how you guys gloss over that part.
You're part of the militia.
You clearly lack a clue about what they meant by well regulated. You're even more clueless as to what 'the people' means.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436387 - 10/26/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: There's no point discussing this anymore. There are facts and there are opinions. Your opinions are not facts. The fact is you can ban types of guns in America.

Yet you state your opinions as fact.
Oh koodsie!
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436391 - 10/26/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: You don't give a flying fuck about the constitution. You just want to do what you want to do.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436396 - 10/26/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: I think we should allow everyone to have a musket, just like the founders wanted.
You can off course, show us where they limited the enumerated right to muskets?
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You asked if I thought cops (public servants in general) lose their right to speak. I provided the law which describes the rights to engage in political activities that they lose when acting in an official capacity.
Do you think the people who are empowered to enforce the laws should be making public statements about what laws they like and don't like? That undermines the confidence people have in the police. There is a chain of command. If the police don't like a law the mayor has signed, they should take it up with the mayor, not sue him. We have a system in this country where the people who make the laws are not the ones who enforce it. There is a reason for this,
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koods said: There's no point discussing this anymore. There are facts and there are opinions. Your opinions are not facts. The fact is you can ban types of guns in America.

Yet you state your opinions as fact.
Oh koodsie!
It's not my opinion that the Supreme Court has said there are limits to the second amendment. They have said that bans on some types of weapons are constitutional. That is fact. And THEIR opinion is the only one that matters in this context. Are you going to continue to troll me for telling you what the law is?
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436436 - 10/26/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I guess you are against LEAP then, yes??
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Shiithead]
#22436444 - 10/26/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those dudes are all retired.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436454 - 10/26/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Active duty Officers who speak up against drug laws have bigger problems than the hatch act. You don't go against police orthodoxy without retribution in this country. You tow the line. The police are the most corrupt organization in the us.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436460 - 10/26/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Soooooo are you worried about the underminding of the confidence people place in the police? Your previous posts seem to indicate you have open contempt for them.
Also sign me up for a musket, hope you guys know what your doing with it because if you weigh your powder improperly, don't pack your wadding/shot correctly or leave a burr on your shot then the gun may become extraordinarily dangerous and then will be banned.
Its ok though if there is ever a police state or anything you guys can come hide here ill protect you with my guns. And don't worry, because they are all unregistered the police wont be stopping by to confiscate them.
I honestly understand not wanting guns around. Its not for everyone, but if your this passionate about them being banished, just fuckin move. Much easier to change YOUR situation than to infringe upon everyone else's.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: nuentoter]
#22436475 - 10/26/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So much for law abiding gun owners.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436478 - 10/26/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: You asked if I thought cops (public servants in general) lose their right to speak. I provided the law which describes the rights to engage in political activities that they lose when acting in an official capacity.
Do you think the people who are empowered to enforce the laws should be making public statements about what laws they like and don't like? That undermines the confidence people have in the police. There is a chain of command. If the police don't like a law the mayor has signed, they should take it up with the mayor, not sue him. We have a system in this country where the people who make the laws are not the ones who enforce it. There is a reason for this,

I think he's acting within his rights. Clearly you think rights are only for those who agree with the stupidity you spout.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
#22436484 - 10/26/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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koods said: There's no point discussing this anymore. There are facts and there are opinions. Your opinions are not facts. The fact is you can ban types of guns in America.

Yet you state your opinions as fact.
Oh koodsie!
It's not my opinion that the Supreme Court has said there are limits to the second amendment. They have said that bans on some types of weapons are constitutional. That is fact. And THEIR opinion is the only one that matters in this context. Are you going to continue to troll me for telling you what the law is?
I'm asking you to show us where they explicitly stated that fully auto weapons are not covered by the 2nd amendment.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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koods said: You asked if I thought cops (public servants in general) lose their right to speak. I provided the law which describes the rights to engage in political activities that they lose when acting in an official capacity.
Do you think the people who are empowered to enforce the laws should be making public statements about what laws they like and don't like? That undermines the confidence people have in the police. There is a chain of command. If the police don't like a law the mayor has signed, they should take it up with the mayor, not sue him. We have a system in this country where the people who make the laws are not the ones who enforce it. There is a reason for this,

I think he's acting within his rights. Clearly you think rights are only for those who agree with the stupidity you spout.
what do you think the punishment is for breaking what koods is suggesting is the law?
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