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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22428913 - 10/24/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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that's how the constitution was constructed, it seems.




house to house searches and gun grabbing is certainly one of many factors that led
to a revolution, the very one that led to the constitution and the bill of rights,
in fact it's those very reasons that we have the second amendment and fourth
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22428920 - 10/24/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
going down the shitter

its no longer the country it used to be

dems and liberals shitting over any right they can because it's "for our own good"

thats my take anyways





you're right, now we have one 10th the violence we had 200, 150, 100 and even 70 years ago

must be a pretty nice shitter





I'm talking about half the stuff the country being founded on going down the shitter


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22428953 - 10/24/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The US holds more prisoners per captia, is the least likely country to be able to pay its bills, and legally owned guns prevent or stop more crime then they cause.  Im sorry for my opposing viewpoint, i just really came here for advice on shrooms!  Like a comedian said "if guns kill people, i have the laziest guns in the world?!" LOL.  You give a anti gunner a .22 rifle with plenty of ammo and some tin cans and see how fast they change....beats watchin TV!


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Davesnothere]
    #22429014 - 10/24/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The US holds more prisoners per captia




china and many other asian countries like to execute drug offenders. they execute
murderers and kidnappers and many other criminals the number of prisoners a
country keeps so many prisoners would be seen as compassionate because we dont
execute any but the most heinous of criminals

statements such as these hold no real bearing on anything




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Like a comedian said "if guns kill people, i have the laziest guns in the world?!"





maybe his guns sneak out an night while he's sleeping to do all of their killing


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22430279 - 10/25/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22430281 - 10/25/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you realize you'd have to sweep all corners of a nation to find all the guns to dispose of, right? you'd essentially have to do a crime sweep and take out all the bad-guys in one giant police and military operation, right?



No, just do like Australia did. Make an announcement, "bring your guns to X locations, we will reimburse for them. If we catch you with one, you'll be charged with a felony and jailed."


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22430295 - 10/25/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Motor vehicles, tobacco, and alcohol are all federally regulated and they kill way more people than guns have been used to kill, intentional or not.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Shiithead]
    #22430297 - 10/25/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Motor vehicles, tobacco, and alcohol are all federally regulated and they kill way more people than guns on their own.



motor vehicles are necessary

tobacco only kills the person who uses it

some people in the government would like to ban alcohol,  but we've seen what happens when we try to ban alcohol


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #22430304 - 10/25/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Motor vehicles, tobacco, and alcohol are all federally regulated and they kill way more people than guns have been used to kill, intentional or not.



They are all regulated because they are dangerous. If you want to drive a car , you need a license and insurance. Let's do the same thing for guns.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22430433 - 10/25/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why? How will that lower deaths? All those other products are regulated but do you really see regulation saving any lives? Do you see regulations keeping any of those products out of the hands of children?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22430439 - 10/25/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We've also seen the negative impact of gun bans as well...


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Shiithead]
    #22430454 - 10/25/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Why? How will that lower deaths? All those other products are regulated but do you really see regulation saving any lives? Do you see regulations keeping any of those products out of the hands of children?



Yes, I do. They keep unsafe toys out of the hands of children. That is the nature of the regulations surrounding toys. The regulations on toys save less lives than the regulations on guns would save. Gun regulations would be different from toy regulations. Hopefully, they would involve stricter licensing procedures involving a medical background check.

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We've also seen the negative impact of gun bans as well...



Banning guns only works if you do it in the entire country. People to the fact that Chicago has a much higher rate of gun violence than for example, Alabama, despite the lack of gun sales, but let's be realistic. Alabama is not full of gangs and heroin addicts. Chicago is. That is the reason the gun violence is higher there. People can still get guns there because they are still for sale in the rest of the country. They just get brought into the city.

Banning guns in the entire country won't completely eliminate the presence of guns, some of which may continue to be trafficked in by cartels and mafias, but it will significantly reduce it, not only because there will be fewer guns, but because the price will be much higher since Cartels and Mafias would have to middle-man the deals instead of producing the product themselves, which is what they do with drugs.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22430671 - 10/25/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I look at that graph and think that the 1994 assault weapons ban worked great.




Still showing you're not much of a thinker? Have you no self-respect?

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That idea was one of the pillars of the Obama administration’s plan to curb gun violence, and it remains popular with the public. In a poll last December, 59 percent of likely voters said they favor a ban.

But in the 10 years since the previous ban lapsed, even gun control advocates acknowledge a larger truth: The law that barred the sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference.

It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do.




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The policy proved costly. Mr. Clinton blamed the ban for Democratic losses in 1994. Crime fell, but when the ban expired, a detailed study found no proof that it had contributed to the decline.




http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html


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A definitive study of the 1994 law – which prohibited the manufacture and sale of semiautomatic guns with "military-style features" such pistol grips or bayonet mounts as well as magazines holding more than ten rounds of ammunition – found no evidence that it had reduced overall gun crime or made shootings less lethal. "We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence," the Department of Justice-funded study concluded in 2004. "Should it be renewed, the ban's effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement."




http://www.propublica.org/article/fact-checking-feinstein-on-the-assault-weapons-ban


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22430705 - 10/25/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah regulations like that are useless. Most gun crimes are committed with pistols. You have to get rid of the pistols.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22430723 - 10/25/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Must gun crimes are, but some aren't. Don't fall into this trap they set arguing if something doesnt completely solve a problem, it has no value. Mass shooters tend to use guns that can kill a lot of people with out reloading. Unlike handguns, it's pretty clear these high capacity weapons are not protected by the second  ammendmet.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22430732 - 10/25/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Mass shootings only account for a tiny fraction of gun deaths, though. I agree that high capacity assault weapons should be banned, but I don't think that is enough.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22430799 - 10/25/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I like Maine's laws,I can but a gun from someone in the buy swap sell magazine with no background check our anything else besides a handwritten receipt, then stick that gun under my jacket all day long.

Suck it gun haters, stay outta Maine if firearms scare you. I would wager that gun ownership per household and gun related violent crimes and deaths are way below national par.

Byron Maine actually put it on their ballot a few years ago to make gun ownership mandatory.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22431283 - 10/25/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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it's pretty clear these high capacity weapons are not protected by the second  amendment*.




"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Also weapons do not have high capacity rounds. The magazine holds the rounds. So why don't you learn what you are talking about before you start talking about it like you have all the answers...


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22431305 - 10/25/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Say they do ban guns. Say the government doesn't become tyrannical.

Criminals will start robbing others at knife-point? No?

How will people defend themselves? How will businesses defend themselves??

Call the cops?


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Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Shiithead]
    #22431352 - 10/25/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)


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Also weapons do not have high capacity rounds. The magazine holds the rounds.


uhhh... isnt the magazine part of the weapon?


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