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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22427862 - 10/24/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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going down the shitter

its no longer the country it used to be

dems and liberals shitting over any right they can because it's "for our own good"

thats my take anyways





you're right, now we have one 10th the violence we had 200, 150, 100 and even 70 years ago

must be a pretty nice shitter


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22427901 - 10/24/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

people are generally becoming more aware of what is required of a potent societal shift. people who want to ban guns aren't thinking through why protector's of a community can use weapons to defend others (ie if someone wants to shoot up a place and they see a bunch of citizens with firearm protection, they'd think twice) and generally since we're seeing so many shootings we try to address that by postulating that "maybe less guns would be better" which might be true if it wasn't a fact that people who commit to shootings of innocent people don't care about staying away from guns, why would they? but also, even though there are much more shootings in the news these days, and even greater attempts at large kill counts and bizarre rationale's for going on rampages, we're also more aware of other, dare i say, liberal activities; just when are liberals also gonna learn not to waste so much damn $$$ on bullshit, but how can they, if they didn't have such a platform to spend spend spend then they wouldn't be elected.

liberals clearly should become more conservative in some areas (financial mainly, and also get more sense about firearm protection and safety) and conservatives can clearly opt for more sense when it comes to this gun debate, instead of just assuming because something is written on hemp that that writing must constitute the most sense ever made for mankind. it's a fucking 1700's document. there is room for improvement in alot of what politicians & citizens are endowed to provide for.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22427915 - 10/24/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The lib stream media won't give this narrative, but it is the truth.





I look at that graph and think that the 1994 assault weapons ban worked great.





can you tell us what this assault weapons ban actually banned?

other than making an AR 15 that looked like this:



look like this:




it did not ban the sale, the trade, the manufacture of any of these so called
assault weapons, in fact, more were sold during the ban because manufacturers
stepped up production on the lower recievers in order to get a nice stockpile
of pre ban pieces in the warehouse which they sold at a higher price for nearly
a decade after the 'ban'

so, other than making a gun look silly that was only for sale in california and
lining the pockets of the gun manufacturers, what effect did it have... yeah,
the libtards made so many gun manufacturers even richer


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22427945 - 10/24/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

but flash suppressors and pistol grips kill peopleeeeeeeeeee


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22428033 - 10/24/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
people who want to ban guns aren't thinking




it's something that's far beyond their capabilities.


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conservatives can clearly opt for more sense when it comes to this gun debate, instead of just assuming because something is written on hemp that that writing must constitute the most sense ever made for mankind.




this is why you fall under the liberal heading. liberals dont want people to
practice their religion and they dont like free speech, we all know the religious
debate but you keep hearing liberals say they support free speech as long as it
isnt hate speech, but only hate speech from conservative whites, it's fine for
blacks because they were oppressed for a billion years. now if free speech is
handled under the liberal guidelines then any speech that they deem unfit is a
jailing offense, that mean criticism of obama's policy constitutes hate speech
because if you're white and you speak ill of the great one then you're a racist


so, in order for me to protect my first amendment rights, I need to have a
firearm, wait... didnt I mention jail for expressing sentiment against a
government official's policies. that begins to step into the 4th and the 5th
amendment which are the rights against illegal search and seizure, it's possible
I could be compelled to testify against myself. I could be forced to house the
troops of liberals that come for my guns, held without bail as a political
prisoner and never actually stand trial

without the second amendment, there are no rights in this country, the second
amendment protects the others just as it protects the people


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22428060 - 10/24/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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but flash suppressors and pistol grips kill peopleeeeeeeeeee





bayonet lugs and screw threads are the most deadly thing on a weapon, with the rash
of drive by bayonetings we need to do something to stop it. I think we should
outlaw the color black on firearms, meke them kid friendly colors so they'll be
unusable for the crimes they never committed






we could have bedazzling parties



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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22428064 - 10/24/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

hey, you're correct. (except about my being liberal)

i'm just saying make a cohesive argument, which you do, but most don't. they just 'assume' that they need guns, and they rationalize that they need it because it's in the constitution, without actually providing any understanding as to why it's there in the first place. (alot of people literally think that the government wants to haul them off because they have guns. no, it's because you are bad-mouthing people who can arrest you, unconstitutionally, which is why we have the legal system in the first place, to fight against tyranny)

we all can try to come to an understanding, but there are dumb liberals, and there are dumb conservatives. just as there are libs/cons whom don't niggle over misuse of stats or unthoughtful fallacious postulations.

the whole point of the paradigm is to gain understanding and come to a reasonable conclusion to problems that we face as a "society". not one side wins over the other, because that doesn't even accomplish anything sensible.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22428112 - 10/24/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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that is a really retarded infograph. abortions? :lol:

but yeah, most shootings with assault weapons are done in coordinated mass shootings which are obviously rarer than smaller shootings done with traditionally smaller firearms, why? because duh, they aren't as coordinated to achieve a high kill count. they're shootings of happenstance.

plus less people own assault weapons for obvious reasons...they don't fucking need one, people are usually fine with a rifle or shotgun or handgun.

so that graph...extremely stupid and one sided.




So why do the moron gungrabbers want to ban "assault weapons" then? Yes graphs that show gungrabbers as being short-sighted retards is very one sided, but so is reality.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22428163 - 10/24/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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hey, you're correct. (except about my being liberal)





in canada there are 2 classes of people, conservatives, which by US standards are
liberals and liberals, they're the same as the progressives in the US, basically
they are hardcore soviet era pinko style commies that want to murder anyone that
disagrees with the party


so canadian = liberal


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i'm just saying make a cohesive argument, which you do, but most don't.
they just 'assume' that they need guns, and they rationalize that they need it because it's in the constitution, without actually providing any understanding as to why it's there in the first place.





"know why I need a gun? because fuck you, I'm a god damned american"

that's the only reason that needs to be given, the only thing that needs to be
understood, would you like an explanation of my answer, sure "'murca, 'murca,
'murca, FREEDOM 'murca"

if people think there's a problem with gun violence in america then they
certainly havent done much traveling, we've all hear the arguments about how
hitler confiscated guns and it's an example of how government without armed
opposition will trample the people it deems unfit, it's true but we see some
more recent examples when we choose to stop closing our eyes, the conflicts in
central europe in the 90s were a prime example of an 'ethnic cleansing' just as
hitler was doing. the serbs were wiping out the bosnians and a short time later
when the serbs went to war on kosovo, we're seeing it again in the middle east
only it's a group trying to seize power against a people that are largely unarmed

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we all can try to come to an understanding, but there are dumb liberals,




the understanding that I have come to is, dont try to take my guns, it seems to
be an understanding that most armed people have taken, the national guard didnt
confiscate guns in the aftermath of katrina, the police did and when they
encountered people weak enough to give they took those weapons which became a
publicity nightmare for them in addition to the legal and financial headaches the
liberal, chocolate city has suffered because of it.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22428173 - 10/24/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what do abortions have to do with anything though in this debate? :lol: that's what was really really stupid about that graph...but also, why do you think "gun-grabbers" want to ban assault weapons? i'm pretty sure they just don't want assault weapons from getting to the hands of psychopathic people. :shrug:

PS: Pris, maybe you're right. personally, i don't like the idea of banning weapons at all, but i just wish people could come to deliberations with the intent of providing a point of view, instead of just trying to prove they're right with no argument. i guess am not really into politics.

and i'm not against goddamn free speech or the constitution either...i just hate the back and forth with no real decisions made. it's pointless. :shrug:


Edited by akira_akuma (10/24/15 04:56 PM)


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: burgerbrain] * 1
    #22428179 - 10/24/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So why do the moron gungrabbers want to ban "assault weapons" then? Yes graphs that show gungrabbers as being short-sighted retards is very one sided, but so is reality.




because they're liars that say 'no one wants to take your guns' while they all
demand that our guns be taken


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22428198 - 10/24/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not a liar. I want all of your guns to be taken away. Anyone who is anti-gun who disagrees is just pussyfooting around trying to seem like they are reaching a compromise.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22428206 - 10/24/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you realize you'd have to sweep all corners of a nation to find all the guns to dispose of, right? you'd essentially have to do a crime sweep and take out all the bad-guys in one giant police and military operation, right?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22428373 - 10/24/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not a liar. I want all of your guns to be taken away.






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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22428380 - 10/24/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you realize you'd have to sweep all corners of a nation to find all the guns to dispose of, right? you'd essentially have to do a crime sweep and take out all the bad-guys in one giant police and military operation, right?





wait, what's that, door to door searches for guns, I swear that there's a bill of
rights that protects against that, are you saying that the 4th amendment would be
the first one actually invalidated the moment a gun confiscation begins

OMG... it seems that pris is right, once one right falls, they all fall


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22428413 - 10/24/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

that's how the constitution was constructed, it seems.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22428417 - 10/24/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22428619 - 10/24/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I want all of your guns to be taken away..




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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Shiithead]
    #22428752 - 10/24/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, im new here and not really into internet weenie wars, but those who know what im saying know. Statistics are AWESOME! they can prove anything you want.  not gonna take the time to try to fix stupid. :laugh:


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22428856 - 10/24/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ezuma said:
I won't disagree with that but are you just gonna let it slide that he made up bull shit about other countries crime rates?
Canada's crime rate has not increased. Deal with it.




This graph doesn't look so great.





That graph looks like total bullshit

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This US citizen can agree with the Canadian, this place is goin down fast! Lock and load my friends!





going down fast?

in the UK, Canada, Australia and many parts of europe, the violent crime rates are
increasing despite the fact that they're passing more restrictive laws and fighting
to remove guns from the hands of law abiding citizens because in those countries,
it is not a right. in the US, something the media doesnt like to report is that our
violent crimes are falling dispite the fact that each year more than a million more
guns are purchased by law abiding citizens

Cities such as Chicago and Detroit which have always had an extremely high
violent crime rate have both seen sharp declines in violent crime rates, in
Chicago it's because the US Supreme court told chicago they have to start issuing
gun permits for concealed carry, in detroit it came after  the city's police
chief mad the announcement that 'the police are not going to arrive in time to
help you, if you want to be saved, buy a gun and defend yourself'. Florida and
other states saw a sharp decline in violent crimes when the state started their
'will issue' concealed carry permit policy


so what exactly is 'going down fast', the bullshit claims  that lliberals keep
pushing? the violent crime rates? the support for the gun grabber agenda? the
obama fan boys on bernie sanders' dick. what isnt going down is the violent crime
in countries where guns are banned or heavily restricted


it's time to face the facts, guns reduce crime, often times by eliminating the
criminals, fewer living criminals means fewer to teach the trade to the new
generation and fewer to commit the crimes themselves and those that arent
completely stupid are feeling the risk isnt worth it




The lib stream media won't give this narrative, but it is the truth.





I look at that graph and think that the 1994 assault weapons ban worked great.





Then by your logic, the rate would be going up since the AWB was never renewed on it's sunset date.
But, that isn't happening....


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