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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421876 - 10/23/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No. No. It isn't. It is violence against the self.




Right.  :lmafo:

Yet... Counting suicides as 'gun violence' is disingenuous at best.


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People are dying.




And people have always been dying and will continue on that path.


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That could be your mother killing herself.




I don't like my mother.


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If she didn't have a gun, she wouldn't might not have.




Or, she might have found a different way. Fixing your erroneous statements is too easy, but should be un-necessary.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421880 - 10/23/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, well, you can just go fuck yourself straight back to the conservative hell you came from.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421889 - 10/23/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:rolleyes: Did I say throw away the whole bill of rights? No. I said

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we have every right to re-evaluate whether or not certain parts of them are still practical.








that's a tiny portion of what you said and what you said here is an absolute
falsehood. the bill of rights does not change, anything after the first 10 it up
for addition or repeal and even modification but the bill of rights is a list of
inalienable rights.
they were added in order to limit government's power over us



The 21st amendment clearly repeals the 18th amendment





and which one repeals any of the first 10 amendments?



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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421890 - 10/23/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No, it didn't sail right past me.




It sure seems like it did.


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My point is that EVEN THOUGH MOST PEOPLE ARE AGAINST GUN CONTROL IT MIGHT HAPPEN BECAUSE WE ARE A REPUBLIC AND NOT A DEMOCRACY




Actually, that's why it's less likely. Getting 2/3 of both chambers in Congress won't happen. Getting 3/4 of the states to ratify it won't happen. Rounding up 350,000,000 guns won't happen.

You're kidding yourself if you think any of those will.

Fortunately.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22421892 - 10/23/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and which one repeals any of the first 10 amendments?




none, but one of them could. nothing says we can't set a precedent.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22421899 - 10/23/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Rounding up 350,000,000 guns won't happen.



You don't have to round up anything. Just arrest anyone caught with a gun.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421901 - 10/23/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay, well, you can just go fuck yourself straight back to the conservative hell you came from.




I've never had the desire to fuck myself. Have you? Nor am I a conservative in the way you seem to intend it.

Fiscally conservative, socially liberal constitutionalist atheist would be a more accurate description, but even that falls short. Can't go back to hell if I was never there to begin with.

Thanks for acknowledging your position was foolish.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421913 - 10/23/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

One of those guys eh?

"I'm fiscally conservative but socially liberal"

that is such a retarded, bullshit position that people take when they want to seem edgy and different and really dont know anything about geopolitics

the two are completely intermingled. If you genuinely support socially liberal policies, then you're fiscally liberal


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421942 - 10/23/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nope. I laid out my position quite accurately. I can't help it if nuanced positions are beyond your grasp. The little letter behind a politicians name doesn't mean squat to me.

Nothing edgy about it. Just accurate. I support some liberal policies.  I support some conservative policies. I dislike some liberal policies. I dislike some conservative policies.

Thanks for displaying your naivety.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421961 - 10/23/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

nuanced positions aren't beyond my grasp

what you are describing is what MOST PEOPLE ARE. It's called being a fucking MODERATE. You don't have to put a whole bunch of fancy words in there to try and make it sound like more than it is. All I am saying is that you can't support liberal programs and be fiscally conservative. people who say that DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. what they THINK they are saying is "well, I support stuff like gay marriage, but I think the government should be small". if you think things like planned parenthood- SOCIALLY LIBERAL PROGRAMS- are a GOOD IDEA- then you BY DEFINITION CANNOT BE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE THOSE PROGRAMS COST MONEY. you have to tax people.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421964 - 10/23/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:

suicide is a choice

via gun or not
guns will always be around banned  or not


get over it.
life ismt perfect


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421966 - 10/23/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and which one repeals any of the first 10 amendments?




none, but one of them could. nothing says we can't set a precedent.





the second amendment says we cant set that precedence


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22421984 - 10/23/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't say "Nobody can override the this amendment".


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421986 - 10/23/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You guys are seriously treating the fucking document like it is a Holy Book or something. What's the big deal?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22422000 - 10/23/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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nuanced positions aren't beyond my grasp




Clearly, they are.


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All I am saying is that you can't support liberal programs and be fiscally conservative.




Of course you can. I don't feel the need to support each and every position or program. I'm not a sheep. Why are you?


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people who say that DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.




I know very well what I'm talking about. It's a shame nuance and free will escapes you.


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what they THINK they are saying is "well, I support stuff like gay marriage, but I think the government should be small".




Those positions are not incompatible for those will the ability to think and reason.


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if you think things like planned parenthood- SOCIALLY LIBERAL PROGRAMS- are a GOOD IDEA- then you BY DEFINITION CANNOT BE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE THOSE PROGRAMS COST MONEY.




Nope. I have the ability to reason. As such I am capable of liking/disliking some of both parties positions/programs.


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you have to tax people.




No shit? Yet I am not forced to agree with each and every thing either party wishes to spend money on. I can't help it if you have to follow a herd. I don't have that flaw.

We get it. Reasoning, thinking and choosing your own path is beyond you. Fortunately, some of us are capable of coming to our own conclusions. We don't need the parties to tell us how to think.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22422012 - 10/23/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No, he's saying that gun nuts will use their guns to prevent any legally and constitutionally valid repeal of the second amendment.  They don't give a shit about the constitution and the rule of law, they just want their damn guns.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22422016 - 10/23/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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nuanced positions aren't beyond my grasp




Clearly, they are.


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All I am saying is that you can't support liberal programs and be fiscally conservative.




Of course you can. I don't feel the need to support each and every position or program. I'm not a sheep. Why are you?


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people who say that DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.




I know very well what I'm talking about. It's a shame nuance and free will escapes you.


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what they THINK they are saying is "well, I support stuff like gay marriage, but I think the government should be small".




Those positions are not incompatible for those will the ability to think and reason.


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if you think things like planned parenthood- SOCIALLY LIBERAL PROGRAMS- are a GOOD IDEA- then you BY DEFINITION CANNOT BE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE THOSE PROGRAMS COST MONEY.




Nope. I have the ability to reason. As such I am capable of liking/disliking some of both parties positions/programs.


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you have to tax people.




No shit? Yet I am not forced to agree with each and every thing either party wishes to spend money on. I can't help it if you have to follow a herd. I don't have that flaw.

We get it. Reasoning, thinking and choosing your own path is beyond you. Fortunately, some of us are capable of coming to our own conclusions. We don't need the parties to tell us how to think.


I hope you have an accident with one of your guns, dude. You and machaveli. Both of you put together are dumber than my left pinky toe.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22422017 - 10/23/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You guys are seriously treating the fucking document like it is a Holy Book or something. What's the big deal?




when is the last time you prayed to god and god said "yes my son, I'll do as you
wish", I bet that's never happened with you or anyone else, we're a nation of law,
not a nation of religion, god doesnt answer our prayers so we have to have someone
there to protect the citizens. now let me ask, do you trust the government to
protect your right? we all know that government wouldnt ever send thugs in to kill
unarmed civilians, never in the history of the world has there ever been an
instance of some government official saying 'kill them, kill them all" when it came
to people under their power so of course we know that the cops would never falsely
arrest someone or that a government would impose it's views on it's people

so, if you want to change those first 10 amendment, then by all means, give it a
shot but you may want to learn what 'inalienable' means and then you may want to
learn just how fast all the other rights are gone once any of the first 10 are

so yeah, it's like a holy book only more accurate and truthful and holding far more power


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22422019 - 10/23/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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They don't give a shit about the constitution and the rule of law,




:lolz0rz: Have some self respect.


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they just want their damn guns.




Nah. Most just want all our rights to be respected.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22422024 - 10/23/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you didn't even spell my name right moron.:cruelworld:


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