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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421783 - 10/23/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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where did it come from?  its very simple, if u take guns away you'll want knives taken away next if not you someone else.  Lets say in the perfect world all these things that kill people gets deleted eventually and it works and nobody dies, thats the point, so answer the question



Where did what come from?

That is a blatant example of the slippery slope fallacy.




just answer the question, do you think nobody should die except from natural causes?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421804 - 10/23/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Tell that to the 21 people who died yesterday from gun violence in the USA




OK.

Hey, to the 21 who died yesterday from gun violence... too bad some (most? all?) of you didn't have guns to try and save yourselves. Too bad some of you likely died from gang violence. Too bad some of you were mowed down by the very nut-jobs our government does nothing about. Too bad some of you decided to end your lives with guns. Too bad some of you likely brought your fate upon yourselves.

Also to the 21, how fortunate our constitution defends us from those who would try and disarm those who are quite capable of using guns in a proper manner.

Further to the 21, it's too bad some are so terrified by inanimate objects rather than by those who would use them to harm others.


Is that adequate or should I continue?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #22421810 - 10/23/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

In the wake of this discussion, I feel it is necessary to clarify the difference between a fact and an opinion. Here is an example of a fact: "The more tightly you regulate and control guns in your country, the fewer gun-related fatalities there will be in your country."
An opinion about this fact might be "Even though gun control reduces fatalities, I do not believe it should be implemented as a policy." or "Because of this fact, I believe it is a good idea to control guns at a policy level."

But to say something like, "In my opinion, gun control doesn't reduce gun-related fatalities" is roughly like saying "In my opinion, when H2O is in gas form, the molecules are moving around more slowly", or "In my opinion, when light bounces off a rose and enters the human pupil, the color blue is experienced."

Certain things can be measured. One of those things is the speed at which H2O molecules are moving. Another is the color humans experience in response to light entering the pupil after 'bouncing off of' a rose petal. And one the proportion of gun related fatalities in any given country. Since these things can be measured, they constitute facts, rather than opinions. This is because I can measure them, and publish my findings honestly in such a way that you can then measure them as well to verify that my findings were accurate.

Keep your opinions and your facts straight, folks.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22421813 - 10/23/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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where did it come from?  its very simple, if u take guns away you'll want knives taken away next if not you someone else.  Lets say in the perfect world all these things that kill people gets deleted eventually and it works and nobody dies, thats the point, so answer the question



Where did what come from?

That is a blatant example of the slippery slope fallacy.




just answer the question, do you think nobody should die except from natural causes?



how is that even relevant to the thread? the thread is about gun control. would you like it if you mother was shot? or imagine you were actually able to have a girlfriend. imagine she got shot.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421815 - 10/23/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Tell that to the 21 people who died yesterday from gun violence in the USA




OK.

Hey, to the 21 who died yesterday from gun violence... too bad some (most? all?) of you didn't have guns to try and save yourselves. Too bad some of you likely died from gang violence. Too bad some of you were mowed down by the very nut-jobs our government does nothing about. Too bad some of you decided to end your lives with guns. Too bad some of you likely brought your fate upon yourselves.

Also to the 21, how fortunate our constitution defends us from those who would try and disarm those who are quite capable of using guns in a proper manner.

Further to the 21, it's too bad some are so terrified by inanimate objects rather than by those who would use them to harm others.


Is that adequate or should I continue?


Many of those people likely shot themselves. Suicides outnumber homicides.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421821 - 10/23/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Poll: More Americans oppose stricter gun control

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Nearly three weeks after the latest mass shooting claimed the lives of nine people, 52% of Americans now oppose stricter gun control laws, 6 percentage points more than the 46% of Americans who support such laws. That's a wider gap than in June when CNN last surveyed Americans on gun control, finding that the public was equally split at 49% on the issue.

The advantage of those opposed to stricter gun control laws over those in favor is outside of the poll's 3-point margin of error.




:yesnod:


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421823 - 10/23/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

would u like it if your mother starved to death, or your children?  how about dieing of thurst?  How about being forced to live in newyork type situations where you have 20 square feet to live in, for the rest of your life, and your childrens lives?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421825 - 10/23/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Many of those people likely shot themselves. Suicides outnumber homicides.




Yup, which is why I spent the time mocking the number '21'.

Counting suicides as 'gun violence' is disingenuous at best.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421826 - 10/23/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Infringe the shit out of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution for all I care. The Constitution endorses slavery. Those documents are dated as fuck and we have every right to re-evaluate whether or not certain parts of them are still practical.





wow, so you like the idea of the cops searching your shit without probable cause,
seizing and selling your assets, being locked away for life without charge or
trial... that's what you're suggesting.

does it matter if a person carries a pistol or a rifle?



:rolleyes: Did I say throw away the whole bill of rights? No. I said

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we have every right to re-evaluate whether or not certain parts of them are still practical.








that's a tiny portion of what you said and what you said here is an absolute
falsehood. the bill of rights does not change, anything after the first 10 it up
for addition or repeal and even modification but the bill of rights is a list of
inalienable rights. they were added in order to limit government's power over us


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421829 - 10/23/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Poll: More Americans oppose stricter gun control

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Nearly three weeks after the latest mass shooting claimed the lives of nine people, 52% of Americans now oppose stricter gun control laws, 6 percentage points more than the 46% of Americans who support such laws. That's a wider gap than in June when CNN last surveyed Americans on gun control, finding that the public was equally split at 49% on the issue.

The advantage of those opposed to stricter gun control laws over those in favor is outside of the poll's 3-point margin of error.




:yesnod:



which is why pure democracy doesn't work


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22421831 - 10/23/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Infringe the shit out of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution for all I care. The Constitution endorses slavery. Those documents are dated as fuck and we have every right to re-evaluate whether or not certain parts of them are still practical.





wow, so you like the idea of the cops searching your shit without probable cause,
seizing and selling your assets, being locked away for life without charge or
trial... that's what you're suggesting.

does it matter if a person carries a pistol or a rifle?



:rolleyes: Did I say throw away the whole bill of rights? No. I said

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we have every right to re-evaluate whether or not certain parts of them are still practical.








that's a tiny portion of what you said and what you said here is an absolute
falsehood. the bill of rights does not change, anything after the first 10 it up
for addition or repeal and even modification but the bill of rights is a list of
inalienable rights. they were added in order to limit government's power over us



The 21st amendment clearly repeals the 18th amendment


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421836 - 10/23/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Many of those people likely shot themselves. Suicides outnumber homicides.




Yup, which is why I spent the time mocking the number '21'.

Counting suicides as 'gun violence' is disingenuous at best.



no, it isn't. Many of those people would most likely not have committed suicide if not for the convenience of owning a gun. This is statistically demonstrable.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22421838 - 10/23/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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would u like it if your mother starved to death, or your children?  how about dieing of thurst?  How about being forced to live in newyork type situations where you have 20 square feet to live in, for the rest of your life, and your childrens lives?



put down the pcp bro

nobody has any idea what the fuck you're saying


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421840 - 10/23/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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which is why pure democracy doesn't work to do the things I want it to




We don't have a pure democracy. We have a republic.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421841 - 10/23/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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which is why pure democracy doesn't work to do the things I want it to




We don't have a pure democracy. We have a republic.



Duh.

Also, pure democracy doesn't work plain and simple. I have been an admin of a huge group on facebook and if we let that shit run itself democractically it would be pure chaos. people are fucking idiots.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421842 - 10/23/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Many of those people likely shot themselves. Suicides outnumber homicides.




Yup, which is why I spent the time mocking the number '21'.

Counting suicides as 'gun violence' is disingenuous at best.



no, it isn't. Many of those people would most likely not have committed suicide if not for the convenience of owning a gun. This is statistically demonstrable.




Like I said, Counting suicides as 'gun violence' is disingenuous at best.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421847 - 10/23/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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which is why pure democracy doesn't work to do the things I want it to




We don't have a pure democracy. We have a republic.



Duh.




And yet it seems to have sailed right past you.

We get it. You don't like guns. As they aren't going anywhere, you should find another pointless thing to cry about.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421848 - 10/23/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Many of those people likely shot themselves. Suicides outnumber homicides.




Yup, which is why I spent the time mocking the number '21'.

Counting suicides as 'gun violence' is disingenuous at best.



no, it isn't. Many of those people would most likely not have committed suicide if not for the convenience of owning a gun. This is statistically demonstrable.




Like I said, Counting suicides as 'gun violence' is disingenuous at best.



No. No. It isn't. It is violence against the self. People are dying. That could be your mother killing herself. If she didn't have a gun, she wouldn't have.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421850 - 10/23/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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which is why pure democracy doesn't work to do the things I want it to




We don't have a pure democracy. We have a republic.



Duh.




And yet it seems to have sailed right past you.

We get it. You don't like guns. As they aren't going anywhere, you should find another pointless thing to cry about.



No, it didn't sail right past me. My point is that EVEN THOUGH MOST PEOPLE ARE AGAINST GUN CONTROL IT MIGHT HAPPEN BECAUSE WE ARE A REPUBLIC AND NOT A DEMOCRACY


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22421851 - 10/23/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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morrowasted said:
Infringe the shit out of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution for all I care. The Constitution endorses slavery. Those documents are dated as fuck and we have every right to re-evaluate whether or not certain parts of them are still practical.





wow, so you like the idea of the cops searching your shit without probable cause,
seizing and selling your assets, being locked away for life without charge or
trial... that's what you're suggesting.

does it matter if a person carries a pistol or a rifle?



:rolleyes: Did I say throw away the whole bill of rights? No. I said

Quote:

we have every right to re-evaluate whether or not certain parts of them are still practical.








that's a tiny portion of what you said and what you said here is an absolute
falsehood. the bill of rights does not change, anything after the first 10 it up
for addition or repeal and even modification but the bill of rights is a list of
inalienable rights. they were added in order to limit government's power over us




Of course we can change the bill of rights. The entire constitution is subject to change. There are no inalienable rights listed in the constitution. I don't know where you get that whacky idea.


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