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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22421452 - 10/23/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Gun prohibition is different from drug prohibition because gun production is much more difficult than drug production. Banning drugs stop or even appear to reduce the number of people from using drugs. Banning guns doesn't stop people from using guns, but it does reduce the number of people who use them.  There will be criminals with guns, yes- especially immediately following a gun control policy. But over time, as criminals are apprehended, guns will be confiscated, and the number of guns on the street will diminish. Guns will continue to come in through Mexico, yes, but the number of guns will be much smaller than the number currently in circulation. Furthermore, an overwhelming amount of gun deaths involve suicide or domestic murder. Having a legally purchased firearm in the house, with the intent of using it for self defense, causes suicide by gun and domestic murder rates to skyrocket. These numbers will drop right away when the guns are taken away. Those people are not gangsters.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421453 - 10/23/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

people dieing will always happen, removing the gun doesn't magically remove deaths, it gets transfered to another method, until u can ban death, you are just playing a stupid game of cat and mouse that does nothing but piss people off because the people with the guns happen to be the ones smart enough to realize this


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22421471 - 10/23/15 05:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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people dieing will always happen, removing the gun doesn't magically remove deaths,




Yes, it does. The statistics speak for themselves. 21 people were killed in the USA by guns yesterday alone

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/index.html

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it gets transfered to another method,


Yes, it does. We've seen what it gets transferred to in other countries with gun control: knives. And guess what? Only 1% of knife crime results in a death.

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until u can ban death, you are just playing a stupid game of cat and mouse that does nothing but piss people off because the people with the guns happen to be the ones smart enough to realize this


It's quite simple. It's about harm reduction, just like legalizing drugs is about harm reduction. Nobody who wants to legalize drugs has this idea that if we do, everyone will stop using drugs. But the amount of damage they cause will be reduced. If we control guns, the amount of damage they cause will be reduced.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421483 - 10/23/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

this isn't other parts of the world tho, someone already posted that alot of deaths in the states is already from knifes, a high percent.  those places with 1% is like canadians and french or similar, they prolly held the knife like they were cutting a steak or something.  It has alot to do with culture, and why the crimes are being commited.

and incase you didn't notice, the media works for the government and ratings, obama wants guns banned, so obviously you are going to see more news about guns.  u think 21 deaths from guns means anything at all?:lol:


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22421499 - 10/23/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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this isn't other parts of the world tho, someone already posted that alot of deaths in the states is already from knifes, a high percent.  those places with 1% is like canadians and french or similar, they prolly held the knife like they were cutting a steak or something.  It has alot to do with culture, and why the crimes are being commited.




This is ridiculous. You argument is basically just that the English are just a bunch of pansies and don't know how to use a knife correctly, and that is why their rates of violence are so low.




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and incase you didn't notice, the media works for the government and ratings, obama wants guns banned, so obviously you are going to see more news about guns.  u think 21 deaths from guns means anything at all?:lol:


That has nothing to do with the media or news. It's a statistics website. And yes, I think 21 gun deaths in a single day is an absolutely absurd number. To just blow it off and say "pfft that ain't shit" is heartless. The number can be brought down to maybe 3-5 a day easily by implementing a simple policy where people, you don't, DONT HAVE FUCKING GUNS.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421602 - 10/23/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

its a statisitc website who i would bet gets all their 'statistics' by googling news reports:cookiemonster:

do you really think they check every citys obits? 

also the gov has never been found to manipulate statistics for politics:cookiemonster:

ill take casualties in iraq for 100 alex:obama:


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: makaveli8x8]
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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421667 - 10/23/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421694 - 10/23/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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AR-15s, Uzis and rocket launchers aren't Stuff I don't like and don't think you should have isn't necessary for self-defense.




How fortunate for us that what you want doesn't matter.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22421699 - 10/23/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I've never personally felt I've ever needed one, but I have no problem if folks want to own one.





are you trying to convince us that you've never been murdered by someone that has
legally or illegally murdered you with a handgun that may or may not have been used
in your murder and thus since you were murdered you have no opinion about firearms?




Er...huh?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22421704 - 10/23/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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AR-15s, Uzis and rocket launchers aren't Stuff I don't like and don't think you should have isn't necessary for self-defense.




How fortunate for us that what you want doesn't matter.



No, it isn't fortunate at all. Actually, I change my position upon further review. Take the pistols, too.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421711 - 10/23/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so if it was up to you, you would make sure nobody died from anything ever?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421720 - 10/23/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
AR-15s, Uzis and rocket launchers aren't Stuff I don't like and don't think you should have isn't necessary for self-defense.




How fortunate for us that what you want doesn't matter.



No, it isn't fortunate at all. Actually, I change my position upon further review. Take the pistols, too.




It's quite fortunate for those with common sense and a respect for the constitution.

What you want won't come to pass.

:awesome:


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22421721 - 10/23/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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so if it was up to you, you would make sure nobody died from anything ever?



lol where did you get that from? this isn't a philosophy thread. immortality sounds shitty

If it was up to me, policies would be implemented that would reduce the number people dying at those easily avoidable times in which they most definitely did not expect to and are not prepared to die


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421725 - 10/23/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

where did it come from?  its very simple, if u take guns away you'll want knives taken away next if not you someone else.  Lets say in the perfect world all these things that kill people gets deleted eventually and it works and nobody dies, thats the point, so answer the question


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421727 - 10/23/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's quite fortunate for those with common sense and a respect for the constitution.

What you want won't come to pass.

:awesome:



common sense is another way of saying "unclear justification for a belief"

I have about as much respect for the Constitution as I have for the Bible. Which is to say, a decent amount. It has a good core message, but it's also full of bullshit


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22421729 - 10/23/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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where did it come from?  its very simple, if u take guns away you'll want knives taken away next if not you someone else.  Lets say in the perfect world all these things that kill people gets deleted eventually and it works and nobody dies, thats the point, so answer the question



Where did what come from?

That is a blatant example of the slippery slope fallacy.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421731 - 10/23/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's quite fortunate for those with common sense and a respect for the constitution.

What you want won't come to pass.

:awesome:



common sense is another way of saying "unclear justification for a belief"

I have about as much respect for the Constitution as I have for the Bible. Which is to say, a decent amount. It has a good core message, but it's also full of bullshit




How fortunate most disagree.

It must be tough for you knowing so few care about what you want. It must be tougher knowing your pipe-dreams will always remain dreams.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421749 - 10/23/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

By the way, thanks for demonstrating why the constitution is, was and shall remain a very important document.

:raisemyglass:


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22421776 - 10/23/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
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luvdemshrooms said:

It's quite fortunate for those with common sense and a respect for the constitution.

What you want won't come to pass.

:awesome:



common sense is another way of saying "unclear justification for a belief"

I have about as much respect for the Constitution as I have for the Bible. Which is to say, a decent amount. It has a good core message, but it's also full of bullshit




How fortunate most disagree.
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Tell that to the 21 people who died yesterday from gun violence in the USA


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