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The 2nd ammendment * 4
    #22394898 - 10/17/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."




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in·fringe·ment
inˈfrinjmənt/
noun
noun: infringement; plural noun: infringements

    1.
    the action of breaking the terms of a law, agreement, etc.; violation.
    "copyright infringement"
    2.
    the action of limiting or undermining something.
    "the infringement of the right to privacy"





I'd love to hear how an "assault weapon" ban that limits magazine capacity and features that make a gun look scary are not a direct violation of the constitution. Same goes for the law stating if you are an unlawful user of drugs you cannot own a weapon. And denying non violent felons access to guns. And background checks. And the automatic weapon ban of 1986.

It seems the federal government took a piss on the constitution, dropped a duece, and then used the constitution to wipe it's ass.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemboomers] * 2
    #22394914 - 10/17/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

if you want peace prepare for war


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Convikt Kelly]
    #22395038 - 10/17/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Convikt Kelly said:
if you want peace prepare for war




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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Shiithead]
    #22396588 - 10/18/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

infringement bump


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemboomers] * 2
    #22396640 - 10/18/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #22396699 - 10/18/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the constitution is just paper. if it was destroyed and it's memory erased, no preservation, then the ideas therein would vanish, and probably never be remembered until the circumstances arise which would allow for something LIKE IT, maybe.

the constitution gets amended to, and the definitions within it therefore are from then on to operate in the distinct delineations to those amendments, all through out them, down to the constitutional foundation for the law, and if all is in keeping with the law, only then is it (the constitution) relevant.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #22396706 - 10/18/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well regulated being a key part of the statement.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22396711 - 10/18/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the cops are well-regulated enough to meet that criteria, right?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22396724 - 10/18/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well that's debatable for sure


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22396726 - 10/18/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

welp, by the government standard, it's regulated, so...:haha: good enough.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22396738 - 10/18/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

nicechrisman said:
Well regulated being a key part of the statement.




by well regulated it it's not talking about what guns you have, it's talking about the militia. And i'm pretty sure it's not talking about the federal government doing that regulating.

gun laws are in direct violation of the constitution, you can not get much more clear than "shall not be infringed"


Edited by luvdemboomers (10/18/15 09:08 AM)


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #22396777 - 10/18/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
Quote:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."




Quote:

in·fringe·ment
inˈfrinjmənt/
noun
noun: infringement; plural noun: infringements

    1.
    the action of breaking the terms of a law, agreement, etc.; violation.
    "copyright infringement"
    2.
    the action of limiting or undermining something.
    "the infringement of the right to privacy"





I'd love to hear how an "assault weapon" ban that limits magazine capacity and features that make a gun look scary are not a direct violation of the constitution. Same goes for the law stating if you are an unlawful user of drugs you cannot own a weapon. And denying non violent felons access to guns. And background checks. And the automatic weapon ban of 1986.

It seems the federal government took a piss on the constitution, dropped a duece, and then used the constitution to wipe it's ass.




What part of "well regulated" don't you understand


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #22396798 - 10/18/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

if you were to arm a mad-man, would you not be responsible for his actions?

ethics 101

there needs to be SOME checks on gun dispersal. a responsible adult, a WELL-REGULATED militia, consists of people whom aren't mad-men nor insufficient in marksmanship; eg, you don't give a child gun, just like you don't let them vote.

there are laws and then there is the constitution; as long as one doesn't void the other, it's the requisite feedback from the two branches that makes the law accountable to men's inalienable rights, and men to law.

the second amendment refers to a WELL-REGULATED militia, which we have essentially; we have military institutions and police structures.

i'm not saying that guns need to be taken away and people enforced more, i'm saying that the fight for gun rights is not infallible under the constitution OR the law. these rights are infringed upon all the time, because they're just documents that are sustained as law-providing governance, they're ordinance by mandate of law, of authority. you don't stand for that, the leader does. the leader gets the final say. that's just politics for you.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: koods]
    #22396887 - 10/18/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

there were plenty of crazy people back then too, don't you think if crazy people were a problem that they would have wrote that into the constitution?

It became a problem when society started outcasting them, back then people would go have drinks with the crazy's, they'd hand them a gun and go into battle with crazy.  Now its oh...you seem a little off....i better go sit over here...and you should go sit over there, and don't look this way or at that....and no you can't have a job either


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22397138 - 10/18/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
Well regulated being a key part of the statement.





what does that term mean to you?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #22397164 - 10/18/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
if you were to arm a mad-man, would you not be responsible for his actions?

ethics 101

there needs to be SOME checks on gun dispersal. a responsible adult, a WELL-REGULATED militia, consists of people whom aren't mad-men nor insufficient in marksmanship; eg, you don't give a child gun, just like you don't let them vote.





how does a child learn to properly and safely handle a firearm?


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the second amendment refers to a WELL-REGULATED militia, which we have essentially; we have military institutions and police structures.







the military and police are not the militia, the militia is made of of the
people, an army of armed citizens called on to support the military in
times of war

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mi·li·tia
məˈliSHə/
noun
noun: militia; plural noun: militias

    a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.




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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22397196 - 10/18/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, but we aren't living in the constitution Pris0.

the militia are civilian ex-servicemen and, hey-ho, those citizens whom are adept at carrying firearms; there is no stopping the powers that be, but...the constitution is a palimpsest, made for made the law.

the people are just people. if the people are just people, then the law doesn't infringe, but if the law infringes it's because the people are no just and they get stopped, and the law changes all the time, because people keep changing, but never really changing, it's all the same, but all the same the bodies keep each other in check. all human, all too human properties, Prions, Pris0, just in a form of control; we're eating each other up at an exponential rate, and of course the law shifts with the up-trend of deaths per capita, and of course with the inverse effects of having to sustain those blows in society, and the blows of other crimes. criminality will never stop, as everyone most likely agrees, so with that increase in criminal tendencies, we must learn to live in fear. the milita shall keep well-armed that's for sure, and maybe some spots of well-regulation, and that's all that you can do, you change the law, not without chains, and we won't stand for that, so what more do you want? it's either anarchism or it's more law.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
    #22397218 - 10/18/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
yeah, but we aren't living in the constitution Pris0.





what the fuck does that even mean?

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the militia are civilian ex-servicemen and, hey-ho, those citizens whom are adept at carrying firearms; there is no stopping the powers that be, but...the constitution is a palimpsest, made for made the law.




again, false. all able bodied men from 14 to 60 are the militia and the
constitution defines how our laws are made and how we are governed, they
also define the inalienable rights that all citizens in this nation have


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the people are just people. if the people are just people, then the law doesn't infringe, but if the law infringes it's because the people are no just and they get stopped, and the law changes all the time, because people keep changing, but never really changing, it's all the same, but all the same the bodies keep each other in check. all human, all too human properties, Prions, Pris0, just in a form of control; we're eating each other up at an exponential rate, and of course the law shifts with the up-trend of deaths per capita, and of course with the inverse effects of having to sustain those blows in society, and the blows of other crimes. criminality will never stop, as everyone most likely agrees, so with that increase in criminal tendencies, we must learn to live in fear. the milita shall keep well-armed that's for sure, and maybe some spots of well-regulation, and that's all that you can do, you change the law, not without chains, and we won't stand for that, so what more do you want?





look, we arent the liberal, touchy feely homosexual playground that canada is so
stop trying to project the dick sucking ways of the french limey on us

what does well regulated mean to you?


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22397241 - 10/18/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

stocked and instructed with the command of the republic, to defend those rights.

the law is separate from the constitution though. you can govern by the constitution but that doesn't mean the law can't overrule the constitution. i'm not even saying that it should; i'd say, O American patriot, that the constitution should be followed, but then again, just look at the state of things in your country.

Canada was once a burgeoning aspect, and now, even with all our land, we squander it...it's just human nature.

in America, you guys are squandering your constitutional rights to the laws of naysayers to the constitution, but all i'm saying, my John Quincy Adams, is that that's what's happening DUE to your constitution, your "freedom".

reclaim your freedom :shrug: but do it in the freest possible way. good luck.


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Re: The 2nd ammendment [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
    #22397272 - 10/18/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
stocked and instructed with the command of the republic, to defend those rights.




so the government should be supplying the people with arms

that's a welfare system I could get behind


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the law is separate from the constitution though. you can govern by the constitution but that doesn't mean the law can't overrule the constitution.




that's the difference between the US constitution and the canadian charter of
rights or what ever it is you guys were finally allowed to have in the 70s, all
hail the queen

in the US the laws cannot violate the rights of the people, it cannot over rule
the constitution, the constitution is what dictates the law and is the highest
law in the land

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just look at the state of things in your country.





what exactly is the sate of my country? I live here, you dont, I'm pretty sure I
have a fair idea of the state of my country, I'm also pretty sure you only know
what you hear from a bunch of people that want free shit and those that want to
promise free shit on the backs of those that work



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in America, you guys are squandering your constitutional rights to the laws of naysayers to the constitution, but all i'm saying, my John Quincy Adams, is that that's what's happening DUE to your constitution, your "freedom".

reclaim your freedom :shrug: but do it in the freest possible way. good luck.




please, clarify this because it makes no sense to someone capable of rational
thought, it's apparent that a canadian has a better idea of what's going on in
the US than a US citizen


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