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Lophophora Williamsii ID
    #22394685 - 10/17/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Picked this up recently and wanted to confirm it's identity. It's supposed to be Lophophora Williamsii. It looks like a match to me. Not sure hold old it is.



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Re: Lophophora Williamsii ID [Re: TheHumungus]
    #22394798 - 10/17/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's more than likely L.williansii. You will know for sure once it flowers.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii ID [Re: karode13]
    #22395084 - 10/17/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My guess is that it is some sort of Lopho.. . However it COULD, be a Matucana. As Karode said, you will know when it flowers. Matucana flowers are like Lobivia, and Trichocereus flowers. They will be large and funnel like. The flowers on Lophos are Much smaller and come in shades of White, pink, cream and yellow. Matucana can be: Red, yellow, orange, "sunset colors", and shades of pink.

Matucana madisonorium, superficially like Lopho., enough so that some young plants could be confused.

here are are a couple of photos of, "Maddy's" so you can see what I mean.







Here is an image of my Loph. W. decipiens.  As you can see the flowers are MUCH smaller.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii ID [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22395239 - 10/17/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's definitely not a Matucana sp. Ribs, epidermis and areoles do not match. It's definitely a Lophophora sp.

Lophos have a large taproot as well. Matucana have fibrous roots......


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii ID [Re: karode13]
    #22395267 - 10/17/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

actually this looks like a loph grafted to a now buried columnar cactus.
that would explain the small tufts compared to it's size and its round shape.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii ID [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22396352 - 10/18/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It is a Lophophora when it flowers a positive identification will be possible.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii ID [Re: Spanishfly]
    #22396751 - 10/18/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I mentioned Matucana as a Devils advocate. To someone new to cactus, gang.. they can be easily fooled. especially by (young) Matucana buttons. Education is important. As was mentioned, there are things that you can look for that distinguish between the 2 genus. Such as (wool vs. spines, or the flowers. I just wanted to mention Matucanas because of how close they look to Lophos when young. Kinda playing Devils advocate. It can be a learning experience for people to see the Matucana photos and then look at lophos, and see for themselves the differences. I would hate for someone to Purchase a Matucana, thinking it was a lopho. Although both plants are wonderful in their own right, I would be sad getting something that was other than what I purchased.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii ID [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22396881 - 10/18/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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To someone new to cactus, gang.. they can be easily fooled. especially by (young) Matucana buttons.




When you have been growing cactus since 1957 you are not that easily fooled.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii ID [Re: karode13]
    #22398653 - 10/18/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for taking a look everyone. I will update again once they flower(I picked up two more).


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii ID [Re: TheHumungus] * 1
    #22401932 - 10/19/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Spanishfly: Yes. Most of your posts I have read on shroomery include lines like this: :sad:

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When you have been growing cactus since 1957 you are not that easily fooled.




Let me just say, That response doesn't really help the community at all. What I posted however, might help someone make an informed decision, or learn from an experience. The Aim here is to help people.

There are plenty of other forums where people can be smug and condescending. I only responded to this, because you directly quoted me Spanishfly. What I am saying here in this response to you, doesn't help the forum either; except to maybe make a wake up call to the real purpose of this community, which would be to educate and inform and be cooperative. I am in fact being Nice and civil with my wording here.

Can I say as a Feminine influence here, to please tone down the arrogance and ego levels contained in your posts a bit. It gets in the way of some of the finer points you are trying to convey. Not to mention, it creates bad feelings in some people, you decide to respond to. Those bad feelings and things trickle through the community as a whole.

If you are an (elder), Then I would hope you would honestly wish to help educate people. If you honestly have been growing cacti since 1957, then you are old enough to know better than to be acting in the manner you are, to youth who would need to learn. If not from us, then whom?

I am Native American and a Shaman. In my people, we respect our elders. However, Our elders respect youth as well. The youth are our future. We must help to educate them. I urge you to be helpful and to help educate people.


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