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why poo?
#22394625 - 10/17/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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inquiring minds want to know >.>
out of all the things you can choose to grow shrooms off of why choose shit?
simply knowing that fact would make me not want to eat them
this reminds me too, as an aside
i have a theory - you know how truffle spores are spread underground by mole feces?
maybe horses or cows like to trip
then they would eat the shrooms and poop out the more viable spores
they would happy in their new home :3
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22394644 - 10/17/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always wondered if the animals get high like we do? my outdoor patch was plagued by slugs and them little bastards could EAT! to me I don't see why they wouldn't trip at least the first few meals till tolerance kicks in
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22394649 - 10/17/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, nature chose poo as the substrate to grow mushrooms. So why not replicate it as best as possible? Just so you know, most of the guys here (not me) use coir these days.
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Re: why poo? [Re: azur]
#22394667 - 10/17/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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lsd affects spiders so i don't see why psilocybin necessarily wouldn't effect other animals
re: replicating nature -- because nature is cruel :V
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Re: why poo? [Re: azur] 1
#22394672 - 10/17/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Terence mckenna once told a story about raccoons finding his colonized grain jars. They allegedly opened up the jars and ate the grains, and could be heard making quite the racket later on.
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micro
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haha, i bet
raccoons are smart, too
i bet they tried to come back later on and get more :V
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22394701 - 10/17/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dung lovers...
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Re: why poo? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22394728 - 10/17/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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is there any huge difference between that vs. other substrates though?
in nature, mushrooms have a niche, i get that
indoor cultivation is not always the same
ime, parboiled rice works great by itself
no poo involved and you know this, and can find comfort in that fact :V
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22394736 - 10/17/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shit doesn't bother me one bit... but I'm a nasty motherfucker
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Re: why poo? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22394758 - 10/17/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, i know at least one coprophile >.>
not you; "doesn't bother" is not the same as "s sexually aroused by"
this person to which i am referring is kind of a nasty one though
like... right when we met he proceeded to tell me that and a whole bunch of other crap i didn't want to know
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Re: why poo? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22394774 - 10/17/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shit doesn't bother me one bit... but I'm the nastiest motherfucker
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Re: why poo? [Re: azur]
#22394790 - 10/17/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
azur said: boner cloner of otd

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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22394796 - 10/17/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So break down your cultivation process for us from start to finish if you would.
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Re: why poo? [Re: azur]
#22394825 - 10/17/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hah, okay this will take a bit but my friend hasn't gotten back to me anyway so I'll give it a shot
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22394828 - 10/17/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool. Looking forward to it.
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Re: why poo? [Re: azur]
#22394930 - 10/17/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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poo is free.
pasteurization is cheaper than sterilization.
besides personal theories, those would be my two arguments.
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22394956 - 10/17/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, this is what I've found works the best:
Materials:
All American Pressure Cooker Autoclavable bags with self-healing inoculation port and .2um filter patches Heat sealer Autoclavable bottles with septum lids Heat sealer Glass syringes (these are reusable and autoclavable) Parboiled rice (cheap as hell in any grocery store) Spore syringes (you can go by prints as well but it is up to you to ensure sterility) Plastic bins and either saran wrap or plastic sheeting, depending on the size of the bins Peat and lime (to make casing, a la Stamets et al.) Heater Paper clips Rubbing alcohol (preferably ethanol) either 70% or 91% Spore syringes egular commercial bleach
Optional materials:
Bale(s) of straw Materials to make liquid media (I stole LB media from the lab I worked at but potato dextrose broth is better anyway) Lots of plastic sheeting, staple gun, duct tape, mini hepa filter for room Autoclave tape (useful when sterilizing liquids) Bunsen burner Glass petri dishes (or sterile disposable plastic ones)
Protocol:
Cook some parboiled rice using 3/4 of the water listed in the directions. The parboiled rice is precooked a bit and it comes out less sticky and more airy than brown rice Put a liberal amount in the bags but not so much it is filled more than a third of the way up to the filter patch Gently fold the top of the bag 1/2" down 4 or 5 times after letting the air out and secure them that way with a paper clip on each end Sterilize for 90 minutes at 15 PSI (make sure it is there before counting) Always let the PC cool before opening it up Open it up and heat seal the bags close. You will need to adjust the heat sealer so it won't burn the bag apart so practice with a test bag first a few times until you get the setting right Once the bags all have a GOOD seal (if they split open they are unusable) then let them cool to room temperature on the inside as well as the outside Clean a room with 2% commercial bleach (probably should do this beforehand; we always brought the pressure cooker into a cleaned room before opening it and heat sealed it in there) Optionally the clean room can be lined with the plastic sheeting (see the positive pressure flow room link in my sig and the optional materials applicable) In the clean room, with either clean gloves or scrubbed hands, wipe down the inoculation site with your ethanol and then knock it up with the spore syringe With the bunsen burner (optional) or a flame, sterilize the syringe and replace the cap and let it cool before knocking up the next bag. think we only used 1 or 2 cc's per bag; you don't need a lot Colonize he bags at 80F or so. I was really ghetto about this and used a space heater in a closet and opened the door a certain amount to control the heat Let the bags colonize to about 15% and then break it apart and mix around the mycelium so it will colonize exponentially faster
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I gotta take off >.<
But I'll finish this later on and break it out into a new thread
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22395034 - 10/17/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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micro said: sterilize the syringe and replace the cap and let it cool before knocking up the next bag.
Colonize he bags at 80F or so.
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22395099 - 10/17/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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parboiled rice. I'm interested in this.
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Re: why poo? [Re: azur]
#22395155 - 10/17/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
azur said: parboiled rice. I'm interested in this.

Might just have to give it a shot
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Lol poo out the horses ass is pretty nasty. But for the hobby, I've had no problems. It's just like fluffy soil/ground up itty bitty straw flakes.. Dry hpoo smells kinda like cinnamon sometimes. I wish I could explain why.
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I've used manure for about 7 years now in my subs. I also use coir/verm/gypsum in my mix along with the manure. I wouldn't trade my shit for anything
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Re: why poo? [Re: Stuey1]
#22395547 - 10/17/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuck I will grow from any substrate at least once. For me its a balance of ease of prep, cost to obtain, ease to obtain, and yield. Wheat rye oats or millets spawned to coir poo verm straw worm castings seems to fit the bill. But any combo also is fine. If I'm short on time and have lots of spawn bucket some coir verm is too easy. But mostly I like to screw around with stuff. Quart size bulk cakes colonzed under sterile conditions have been pretty fun for the last year. Whole wheat flour with straw in pp5s are cheap easy and yield well. Got some colonizing right now.
I don't like to pay for grain so rice is too pricey for me. But there is no hate for it from me.
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As long as a casing layer is used with poo, the mushroom is gonna grow off a single fiber of mycellium growing through the casing and will never have touched what's under it. It's really irrelevant.
There are a lot of dedicated Poo users who seem to feel it's better in terms of potency and/or yield. Definitely worth a shot. Coir users arguement is that there is no benefit to other substrates, and they only increase prep time/difficulty and contam risk. For a first grow, I think coir is best.
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Machiavelliavore said: Coir users arguement is that there is no benefit to other substrates, and they only increase prep time/difficulty and contam risk.
As a coir user, that's not at all my argument. I see the benefits in poo and would use it if I had it readily available where I am because I believe it does help yields, though maybe not potency. I use coir because it's easy to prep, it doesn't care if you sterilize it or pasteurize it, it doesn't smell like anything if you let it get wet and sit out accidentally (not that you should do this, since it's so easy not to), and it's pretty resistant to contamination unless your spawn is bad. It's also easy to store, never seen a shit-brick compressed down to 650g of expandable awesomeness. For a lot of people it's easier to source, ironically, than something that just naturally falls out of animals asses.
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Is there even a noticeable difference in potency between cube varieties or substrate?
I know smaller mushrooms have more potency by weight
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22397186 - 10/18/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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micro said: Is there even a noticeable difference in potency between cube varieties or substrate?
I know smaller mushrooms have more potency by weight
Grow some albino penis envy on any substrate then tell us what you think.
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I'd like to compare ape on different substrates
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Re: why poo? [Re: azur]
#22398517 - 10/18/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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why APE in particular?
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Quote:
rbalzer said: why APE in particular?
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Quote:
Inocuole said:
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rbalzer said: why APE in particular?

yeahhh, PE gave me straightup visions. intense stuff.
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APE are stronger than that. I have a hard time getting some people to finish a gram worth of tea.
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I'm not bother by using poo one bit. I think I might for my next tub. I live next to agricultural center and I am SURE they won't give a shit if I take some. No pun intended.
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Are you sure no pun was intended? That was a pretty classic pun. I doubt it was fully unintended.
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Not until after I typed it... and I would have have started that they wouldn't give a shit even if it wasn't in regards to shit. So no, the pun was not intended.
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22399452 - 10/18/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
micro said: Well, this is what I've found works the best:
Materials:
All American Pressure Cooker Autoclavable bags with self-healing inoculation port and .2um filter patches Heat sealer Autoclavable bottles with septum lids Heat sealer Glass syringes (these are reusable and autoclavable) Parboiled rice (cheap as hell in any grocery store) Spore syringes (you can go by prints as well but it is up to you to ensure sterility) Plastic bins and either saran wrap or plastic sheeting, depending on the size of the bins Peat and lime (to make casing, a la Stamets et al.) Heater Paper clips Rubbing alcohol (preferably ethanol) either 70% or 91% Spore syringes egular commercial bleach
Optional materials:
Bale(s) of straw Materials to make liquid media (I stole LB media from the lab I worked at but potato dextrose broth is better anyway) Lots of plastic sheeting, staple gun, duct tape, mini hepa filter for room Autoclave tape (useful when sterilizing liquids) Bunsen burner Glass petri dishes (or sterile disposable plastic ones)
Protocol:
Cook some parboiled rice using 3/4 of the water listed in the directions. The parboiled rice is precooked a bit and it comes out less sticky and more airy than brown rice Put a liberal amount in the bags but not so much it is filled more than a third of the way up to the filter patch Gently fold the top of the bag 1/2" down 4 or 5 times after letting the air out and secure them that way with a paper clip on each end Sterilize for 90 minutes at 15 PSI (make sure it is there before counting) Always let the PC cool before opening it up Open it up and heat seal the bags close. You will need to adjust the heat sealer so it won't burn the bag apart so practice with a test bag first a few times until you get the setting right Once the bags all have a GOOD seal (if they split open they are unusable) then let them cool to room temperature on the inside as well as the outside Clean a room with 2% commercial bleach (probably should do this beforehand; we always brought the pressure cooker into a cleaned room before opening it and heat sealed it in there) Optionally the clean room can be lined with the plastic sheeting (see the positive pressure flow room link in my sig and the optional materials applicable) In the clean room, with either clean gloves or scrubbed hands, wipe down the inoculation site with your ethanol and then knock it up with the spore syringe With the bunsen burner (optional) or a flame, sterilize the syringe and replace the cap and let it cool before knocking up the next bag. think we only used 1 or 2 cc's per bag; you don't need a lot Colonize he bags at 80F or so. I was really ghetto about this and used a space heater in a closet and opened the door a certain amount to control the heat Let the bags colonize to about 15% and then break it apart and mix around the mycelium so it will colonize exponentially faster
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I gotta take off >.<
But I'll finish this later on and break it out into a new thread
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Re: why poo? [Re: azur]
#22401392 - 10/19/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Manure is free (or cheap!), and I really believe that it has better results. If you use properly aged stuff, it doesn't smell bad.
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the or cheap in parentheses is scaring me, dude
what are you following around with a baggie :c
hah
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22401405 - 10/19/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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azur - sorry threads move so fast in here
but the last thing i said was i'll break it out into a new thread
it's the second link in my sig though
i figure if nothing else people can pull some nuances out of there
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Re: why poo? *DELETED* [Re: micro]
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micro
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hope somebody was paying you
if not, well you could probably start your own business
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
#22402010 - 10/19/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I remember my first manure run..
parked near a horse field in the middle of the night and snuck onto the property to fill a garbage bag with patties So silly looking back, could've just asked the guy instead of risking shotgun fire
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Re: why poo? [Re: micro]
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