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Question about Popcorn colonization
    #22394479 - 10/17/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I noc'd up some jars of popcorn about 2 weeks ago. I've never used popcorn before, only WBS and I wanted to try something new. After about 10 days there was plenty of Myc all over, however, it was very thin and not forming a network. The myc looks nice and white and healthy, just not very thick. I went ahead and gave them a shake at that point. As of today, they are once again pretty covered, but still thin and not a network. Each single kernel is covered and very white and healthy looking. So I'm wondering how to know when they are fully colonized? I've done some searching on here, but there's very limited actual stuff on popcorn. It's more about people debating and saying popcorn sucks. It may very well suck, but isn't this hobby all about trying new things? I think so! So please give me some useful information as to when these jars should be spawned. I plan on doing a mono with coir and verb. I used MS Penis Envy.

On a side note. I also noc'd up some jars of MS PE to WBS a few days before the popcorn and they colonized wonderfully. I spawned them to a mono with coir and verb on the 10/13 and as of today 4 days later the tub is already doing great. Nice Myc peeking through the top layer. I don't use a garbage bag on the sides or bottom or anything, so I can also see that the bottom and sides are also colonizing very nicely. Pretty stoked about this tub. Thanks for your time.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: RKellyPvpdonme]
    #22395106 - 10/17/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've never used popcorn. Is it soft once you prep it, or is it still fairly hard?
Maybe the myc is just having a hard time consuming it?

I have a whole bunch of popcorn from something else, and I often think of using it.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: RKellyPvpdonme]
    #22395122 - 10/17/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well popcorn does kinda suck, and hobbies generally shouldn't be about trying things that people have repeatedly said sucks.  Try new things that aren't widely agreed upon to be bad if you're feeling experimental.  Racing enthusiasts don't drive a Hyundai Santa Fe, because it's not good for racing.  If they said "I'm gonna try something new" and tried driving one of those for a day, well... I'll cut the analogy here because that just wouldn't happen.

Generally if everything is white it's fully colonized.  Can't say for sure without pics if you even have cubensis mycelium, but assuming you do, it's no different than any other grain.

Popcorn's lack of surface area compared to smaller grains does produce less mycelium per jar, by a large margin.  Only thing I ever used it successfully with was a GLC.

When they're fully colonized they won't be able to colonize anymore because everything will be white. :shrug:


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: RKellyPvpdonme]
    #22395163 - 10/17/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If it looks covered in myc Id say let it consolidate for a week then spawn it. Use a higher spawn ratio though. Popcorn works but it sucks.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: Convikt Kelly]
    #22395179 - 10/17/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Use a higher spawn ratio though. Popcorn works but it sucks.




That too.  Like I said, less mycelium.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: Inocuole]
    #22395711 - 10/17/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Popcorn's lack of surface area compared to smaller grains does produce less mycelium per jar, by a large margin.



What does surface area have to do with the amount of mycelium it contains? PF cakes have very little surface yet they obviously contain a relatively large amount of mycelium.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: Kizzle]
    #22395714 - 10/17/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't seem like the mycelium penetrates the popcorn as well as it penetrates airy fluffy BRF.  It also fails to fill up all that empty space between the kernels.

Thinking about it does make me want to make a GLC though, haven't done one in years.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: Inocuole]
    #22395793 - 10/17/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The mycelium is normally pretty dense inside the kernel. I can only speculate but I suspect the reason so many people have gotten inferior results with popcorn is the very low heat penetration making it hard to sterilize completely. I'm almost certain that the core won't reach 250F in only 90 minutes unless the inside of the kernels are still hot from the absorbed water during the boiling step when sterilization begins. I was reading about commercial canning of corn and it was pretty explicit about the importance of preheating for successful sterilization.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: Kizzle]
    #22395809 - 10/17/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I was reading about commercial canning of corn




That's what I'm talking about... Kizzle you da man.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: Kizzle]
    #22395812 - 10/17/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That could have something to do with it.  I know the popcorn I did end up using for GLC's colonized great and with so little bacteria, if any, that every jar inoculated with that syringe came out clean.  Might've G2G'd some of those further still.  Normally I don't go past one generation of G2Gs or similar transfers.

I've tried since then and failed so who knows what I did right or wrong.  My PC times are 2 hours at 17ish PSI now so I think I'd see less problems if I tried again.

That starchiness factor though...


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22395817 - 10/17/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't have plans of using popcorn right now. but if I do, I should PC for a longer time then usual?


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22395821 - 10/17/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just go ahead and PC longer than usual all the time.  I feel a lot better doing 2 hours.  The grains don't look any different but it helps narrow down any pre-spawning vectors.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: Inocuole]
    #22395886 - 10/17/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That starchiness factor though...



You know it's kind weird because people always blame the cracked corn for the sticky mess you get from some of cheap brands of WBS but the starch actually gelatinizes into a single mass when it's heated, it doesn't spill out as a powder like you might expect from breaking open dry kernels. I think that's actually partly responsible for the low heat penetration.

You can see the split kernels here yet there's no stickiness on the outside.


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Re: Question about Popcorn colonization [Re: Kizzle]
    #22396002 - 10/18/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well no I know it doesn't coat the outside in a film, but there is a fuckton of starch, and it shows when you shoot a liquid in there.  The grain size it so huge it could never matter in practical applications though, other than maybe possibly making it easier for bacteria to get around when you have a large amount of split kernels.  Good technique makes that a non-issue, of course.

A jar of hydrated popcorn is still less dense than a jar of hydrated grains like oats, wheat, and rye, is it not?  On the other hand I bet you can shake a full jar of popcorn.


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