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Is there life after death? 2
#22393050 - 10/17/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are near death experiences evidence of some form of life after death?
Do veridical NDEs, where people accurately observe and recount things while they were braindead, eyes closed, sometimes in adjacent rooms, from a disembodied third person perspective- prove that consciousness is not confined to the body?

Can we survive death ? What is the nature of our consciousness ? “Beyond Our Sight” is an independant documentary that talks about near-death experiences, human consciousness, and the possibility of communication with other dimensions.
Where we go after death documentary
People See Verified Events While Out-Of-Body

Veridical NDEs occur when the experiencer acquires verifiable information which they could not have obtained by any normal means. Often, near-death experiencers report witnessing events that happen at some distant location away from their body, such as another room of the hospital. If the events witnessed by the experiencer at the distant location can be verified to have occurred, then veridical perception would be said to have taken place. It would provide very compelling evidence that NDEs are experiences outside of the physical body.
The following are some examples of veridical NDEs documented by Moody:
Example 1: An elderly woman had been blind since childhood. But, during her NDE, the woman had regained her sight and she was able to accurately describe the instruments and techniques used during the resuscitation her body. After the woman was revived, she reported the details to her doctor. She was able to tell her doctor who came in and out, what they said, what they wore, what they did, all of which was true. Her doctor then referred the woman to Moody who he knew was doing research at the time on NDEs.

Example 2: One patient told Moody, After it was all over the doctor told me that I had a really bad time, and I said, Yeah, I know.' He said, Well, how do you know?' and I said, I can tell you everything that happened.' He didn't believe me, so I told him the whole story, from the time I stopped breathing until the time I was kind of coming around. He was really shocked to know that I knew everything that had happened. He didn't know quite what to say, but he came in several times to ask me different things about it.
Example 3: In another instance a woman with a heart condition was dying at the same time that her sister was in a diabetic coma in another part of the same hospital. The subject reported having a conversation with her sister as both of them hovered near the ceiling watching the medical team work on her body below. When the woman awoke, she told the doctor that her sister had died while her own resuscitation was taking place. The doctor denied it, but when she insisted, he had a nurse check on it. The sister had, in fact, died during the time in question.

People who have died testify of life after death. Should we doubt those who have gone before us?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22393899 - 10/17/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i didn't read It all but yes, there is like after death, of some sort, I beleive
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22393978 - 10/17/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think so. But, I think it is a different form of consciousness than we know. Probably Ego death is pretty close to what death is like. I believe in some form of reincarnation.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#22393989 - 10/17/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My opinion of this topic is based on an understanding the science behind evolution and biology. The way I see it, "When you know where you come from, you know where you go."
As bitter as it may be to swallow, when a car crashes it's existence may as well be over, it is dead. The same goes for humans, when we die, our bodies decompose into the original minerals, nutrients we are made of.
If there was an afterlife, it sure as hell wouldn't be heaven or hell. The only evidence behind those are hope and delusion from people who have almost died.
Restating that this is my opinion and I respect everyone's right to believe what they want, it doesn't mean I have to respect the belief itself though.
As for near death experiences, when the body get's close to dying or thinks it will it releases DMT into the brain causing severe hallucinations and delusions. One could say it's the brains coping mechanism for death but if anything it disproves an afterlife as the experience people claim to have had with near death experiences are most likely just DMT trips.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#22394007 - 10/17/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, the soul is immortal. We are a living spirit that lives in a body. We become so attached to the body that we even mistake ourselves for the body we inhabit.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22394073 - 10/17/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If our minds can disconnect from our bodies then yeah it's probably possible that there is.
I'm not the one to be a wishful thinker but I don't think after we die that is it. I'm not that into new age stuff but if there is a life after death I think the most plausible situation would be what happened in Enter the Void. Not the whole reincarnation thing maybe, I hate the thought that when we die we are destined to start again from scratch in another life but the whole DMT phenomenon after death seems quite plausible if there is life after death 
I've k-hole recently and it was really weird having a K induced out of body experience and if that is possible then maybe life after death could be possible
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Janky Tits]
#22394158 - 10/17/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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OBE's on dissociatives are cool. i've been really far out before. mxe combined with 2ci has probably been the best combo for it, but 3-meo-pcp combined with various saratogenic compounds (mostly 4-fa - for me the two have a very special synergy) has been really interesting as well.
that said, i'm immediately skeptical of any sort of epistemological claim about something that is impossible to know. even if there is some sort of universal experience we have as we die in certain situations, and i think there are definitely situations where death is so quick that there wouldn't even be time for that (e.g. getting blown to bits in an explosion), that doesn't necessarily mean that there is an afterlife. we just can't know.
a more interesting premise, to me at least, is that the belief in an afterlife itself serves to prepare an individual for death. and this is by no means a new idea. socrates, moments before his death in the phaedo, elaborates.
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A man of sense ought not to say, nor will I be very confident, that the description which I have given of the soul and her mansions is exactly true. But I do say that, inasmuch as the soul is shown to be immortal, he may venture to think, not improperly or unworthily, that something of the kind is true. The venture is a glorious one, and he ought to comfort himself with words like these...Wherefore, I say, let a man be of good cheer about his soul, who having cast away the pleasures and ornaments of the body as alien to him and working harm rather than good, has sought after the pleasures of knowledge; and has arrayed the soul, not in some foreign attire, but in her own proper jewels, temperance,and justice, and courage, and nobility, and truth—in these adorned she is ready to go on her journey to the world below, when her hour comes.
but this point is precisely where many conversations about this topic go wrong. critics of the faithful reject the believe on the ground that an afterlife is improbable while ignoring its potential usefulness. perhaps having the belief itself is what matters most for us. not that all ethical behavior is predicated on a belief in the afterlife, but if it helps someone be a better person and causes no other harms, i don't see the problem.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: millzy]
#22394195 - 10/17/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn bro that shit you are doin sounds crazy 
I don't know how much id ever experiment with RCs or chemicals like 2ci or that PCP analogue you mentioned. The only dissociative I've ever felt compelled to try is K.
I hear MXE is pretty good as well but for now I think K-holing is the farthest I'll delve into the dissociative class. DMT and K are good enough for me for the moment
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
#22394211 - 10/17/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sudly said: As for near death experiences, when the body get's close to dying or thinks it will it releases DMT into the brain causing severe hallucinations and delusions.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Janky Tits]
#22394225 - 10/17/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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2ci is one of the best rc's out there ime. visually stunning. the comeup can be tough for some people. at worst it just makes my legs shake. combining it with 2cc makes that comeup entirely go away and kicks it up a notch. awesome combo. if you hole with mxe after 2ci really gets going (maybe t+4?), it's absolutely fucking crazy. the entire room just changes around you. nothing quite like it.
3-meo-pcp is interesting too. you have to get it just right and it's only good for one bump. but if you hit the sweet spot it's two hours OBE. and once it's done, you feel great. with 4-fa it takes the edge off and leaves you happy, hungry and ready for bed.
all of this is done of course with safe dosage amounts using a milligram scale, in a safe setting, with a safe mindset, with materials from trusted sources. i wouldn't recommend people do what i do though: i think my level of fun might be disturbing to others.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: millzy]
#22394334 - 10/17/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find ot extreaml doubtful there is anything once yoir brain has died. It all seems wishful, and I would like it to be the case, bit I don;r see how livinh oitside a body, which is you, would work.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: millzy]
#22394415 - 10/17/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get too much stimulation from 2C-I for my liking, but at ~10mg or leses it served as an excellent and interesting stimulant with a strong mood-boost.
@Janky Doesn't sound like you're interested, but I'd definitely try MXE before trying 3-MeO-PCP. If you do enjoy the former, though, you probably would enjoy the latter. I love ketamine myself, but they're all unique (especially K vs MXE or 3-MeO).
On topic I believe I can't fathom what might be after death, but I am very hopeful to the point of expectation.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22394461 - 10/17/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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At very least there is life out of death
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Well i googled it and most of the top results were articles with headlines stating yes there is. So in a very half assed search the answer is yes.
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No. Why ouht there be? if consciousness is a byproduct of evolution, a tool to further spread genes, then there is no use for consciousness beyond the existence of the body, aside from there also being no evidence for a soul or an afterlife. Just wishful hinking to my mind.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22394750 - 10/17/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: if
And if not?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22394763 - 10/17/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I shall need to see convincing evidence, which even if there is an aterlife, i doubt will be forthcoming. I realize this view is somewhat limiting, but it just makes good sense to only lend credibiliy to ideas that are either evident or possible to prove or disprove.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#22394777 - 10/17/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel like death will be magnificent, full of light and love and peace. Not an end, a continuation. Also birth is not a beginning, but a continuation.
Sometimes I think we incarnate specifically to experience death again, but in order to come back we have to forget, so we become scared even though deep down we know there is nothing to feel.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: yogabunny] 1
#22394807 - 10/17/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yogabunny said: I feel like death will be magnificent, full of light and love and peace. Not an end, a continuation. Also birth is not a beginning, but a continuation.
Sometimes I think we incarnate specifically to experience death again, but in order to come back we have to forget, so we become scared even though deep down we know there is nothing to feel.

I'm sorry, I need to brush my teeth after puking so much. I get to die, only to forget and come back? That's pretty terrible. Not as bad as forgetting everything that made me who I am to bath in the light of god or whatever, but still.
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Can we get a TL;DR next time yeah? thanks.
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Does anyone else think we might be delusional and will never experience our own death. Sometimes i wonder if i died and death was simply waking up and saying " i just had the weirdest dream".
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yogabunny said: I feel like death will be magnificent, full of light and love and peace. Not an end, a continuation. Also birth is not a beginning, but a continuation.
Sometimes I think we incarnate specifically to experience death again, but in order to come back we have to forget, so we become scared even though deep down we know there is nothing to feel.

I'm sorry, I need to brush my teeth after puking so much. I get to die, only to forget and come back? That's pretty terrible. Not as bad as forgetting everything that made me who I am to bath in the light of god or whatever, but still.
That is a very extreme reaction. Sorry my post made you feel that way.
I personally find it beautiful in a sad/bittersweet but poetic kinda way.
Kind of like this excerpt from a poem by Rumi -
This place is a dream Only a sleeper considers it real The death comes, like dawn And you wake up laughing At what you thought was your grief
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: yogabunny] 1
#22395040 - 10/17/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think being dead is very similar to what you experienced before you were born.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: SonofHorus]
#22395050 - 10/17/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Has anyone noticed that most psychonauts tend to believe in a life after death?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: SonofHorus]
#22395063 - 10/17/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I mean guess people on either side of this arguement are eager to find an answer. The truth is, the answer is probably neither. Its probably so damn simple yet abstract that it couldnt be put into english
I guess what I am trying to poke at here is that I dont think that we are/were ever alive, and I don't think that we will die. I think that there only has been one this whole time. Although we percieve there to be a shift in conciousness, I think there only one was state to begin with
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: topdog82]
#22395082 - 10/17/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: I mean guess people on either side of this arguement are eager to find an answer. The truth is, the answer is probably neither. Its probably so damn simple yet abstract that it couldnt be put into english
I guess what I am trying to poke at here is that I dont think that we are/were ever alive, and I don't think that we will die. I think that there only has been one this whole time. Although we percieve there to be a shift in conciousness, I think there only one was state to begin with
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Oggy]
#22395091 - 10/17/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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something about the laws of physics mmmhhhhmmm, energy cant be created nor destroyed considering we are energy than I would say yes
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Oggy]
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topdog82 said: I mean guess people on either side of this arguement are eager to find an answer. The truth is, the answer is probably neither. Its probably so damn simple yet abstract that it couldnt be put into english
I guess what I am trying to poke at here is that I dont think that we are/were ever alive, and I don't think that we will die. I think that there only has been one this whole time. Although we percieve there to be a shift in conciousness, I think there only one was state to begin with
how high are you right now?

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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
#22395244 - 10/17/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sudly said: when the body get's close to dying or thinks it will it releases DMT into the brain causing severe hallucinations and delusions
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22395287 - 10/17/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The entire idea of life after death is metaphysical as there is no evidence other than personal experience.
In nature when things die they are decomposed back into the ecosystem, what makes humans any different?
We have a soul? No. We have a conscience. Animals are conscious, a worm is aware when it's been poked but it doesn't have a conscience and that's the only difference in mentality.
Again, what's so special about a human that would mean we skip out on the laws of nature?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: blackdust]
#22395298 - 10/17/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We are not energy, if we were we'd act the same way as an atom does on the subatomic scale. We are made up of matter that decomposes releasing it's energy back into the ecosystem from whence it came.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly] 1
#22395320 - 10/17/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sudly said: We have a soul? No.
I think we have a soul, a mortal soul. Its a christian and believer prejudice to assume the soul must be immortal. Many things have a soul or spirit. The spirit of my computer dies every time I unplug it. The spirit of the law exists beyond the letter of the law. The human spirit grows and dies along with the human body.
I very much believe my soul is a function of my memories. It doesn't matter what part of me continues on after death... if my memories are not there then I am not there. If I have Alzheimer my soul starts to die before my body. I have witnessed my daughter's soul grow as her body and memories grow. She is far more soulful now than when she was born.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22395338 - 10/17/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe there is an afterlife. And I also I believe I can't be saved and i'm going to hell. I'm too far gone to turn back.
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#22395347 - 10/17/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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JustForToday said: I believe there is an afterlife. And I also I believe I can't be saved and i'm going to hell. I'm too far gone to turn back.
If the bible is true, then Satan is certainly the good deity. Heaven is a prison for the flock. Lucifer is a lover of freedom.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22395356 - 10/17/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow, ur so edgy n kewl.
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: Wow, ur so edgy n kewl.
Its not edgy, but it is cool. When read without prejudice the bible is a story of a universal dictator, killer and oppressor. Satan respects life and respects freedom. I gladly eat of the tree of knowledge. I reserve the right to choose for myself what is right and what is wrong.
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people who think there's an afterlife are stupid lol.
yeah your atoms will continues to exist but your self,your conscience and your memory,everything you experienced will be gone for ever lol.
but if you write your thoughts down, and they are kept for centuries , people from another era will be able to read your thoughts and the substance of your conscience. now that is far out my friend.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: Wow, ur so edgy n kewl.
Its not edgy, but it is cool. When read without prejudice the bible is a story of a universal dictator, killer and oppressor. Satan respects life and respects freedom. I gladly eat of the tree of knowledge. I reserve the right to choose for myself what is right and what is wrong.

Whatever you say, dude. We must have two different Bibles
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I'm talking about the mainstream american versions. NKJ, NIV, etc. Are you reading the Jefferson Bible? That is probably the only version I can get down with.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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Aight, dude, I get it. You're different. You made your point.
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I guess that makes you the same? A member of the flock is a member of the flock. A naked, willful thought-slave.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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Yup. You're so right. I'm just a brainless sheep. Now you can tell all of your latte-sipping friends how you bested me on the interwebs.
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I don't need too, we take it for granted.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie] 1
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If you want to define a 'soul' as the memory of a person you can but in reality when you die, your memories, body, conscience and everything that makes you you dies with it.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: If you want to define a 'soul' as the memory of a person you can but in reality when you die, your memories, body, conscience and everything that makes you you dies with it.
That is why the soul, and all spirit, is mortal. It is a transitory emergent property. But regardless, it is the same property that is observed by both non-believers and believers.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said: I don't need too, we take it for granted.
Good for you You're so cool and different. You should take a selfie to show how cool and different you are.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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I come and go from this site frequently and I'd be upset if I returned and you weren't still a regular poster. It's awesome to read the well thought out and highly informed discussion you participate in, even if your opposition only back peddles and never defends their position.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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Okay, so whatever you want to call a soul, you seem to still agree that there is no afterlife. If a memory of something is considered a soul then why couldn't my old guitar have a soul? I remember it.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Okay, so whatever you want to call a soul, you seem to still agree that there is no afterlife. If a memory of something is considered a soul then why couldn't my old guitar have a soul? I remember it.
The guitar's spirit is that it is a guitar. Broken into chips, immolated in flame - the parts all still remain but the spirit is gone. I consider memory to be vital to the human spirit, or soul. The soul of a guitar is something different.
edit - the notion of memory and the human soul is not an original concept. Famous works address the idea, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?/Blade Runner is the first one that comes to mind.
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Here's a good description of this concept from a long time ago. It's a great analogy on the origin and permanency of consciousnesses and applies somewhat in our context.
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haha
This guy clearly doesn't follow the rules. Bashing religion is fun, but it doesnt make you better than everyone. Or automatically an intellectual
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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Guitars have spirits.. GG, I'm out, enjoy yourselves.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
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I wonder what made him delete his post . . .
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Guitars have spirits.. GG, I'm out, enjoy yourselves. 
Don't think that modern american christains definition of spirit is the only one. Look up the wikipedia article on it;
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The English word spirit (from Latin spiritus "breath") has many different meanings and connotations, most of them relating to a non-corporeal substance contrasted with the material body. It can also refer to a "subtle" as opposed to "gross" material substance, as in the famous last paragraph of Sir Isaac Newton's Principia Mathematica.[1]
I am obviously using the term loosely and not strictly. I find that you have to use the language of the believer to discuss with the believer, because you know they will not adopt your language. In another context I would simply call it an emergent property. In my mind, a strong emergent property and spirit are functionally identical.
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Let's see. The retards that came up with religion, demons, etc.:
1) Had life expectancies in the 30s because they were 1000s of years away from learning what germs were
2) Had no medicine
3) Were 1000s of years from electricity, toilets, refrigeration of food, etc.
4) Were 1000s of years away from discovering toothpaste
5) Had no idea what "snow" or "hurricanes", blizzards, tsunamis, and frost were because the retards lived in the middle of the desert with no concept of life outside of their tiny bubble.
6) No such thing as chemistry, no idea they were breathing Oxygen, didn't know a thing about any of the elements or what their properties were.
7) No such thing as physics or biology
8) The retards thought the earth was just recently born, with no concept of evolution over billions of years, no such thing as dinosaurs, fossils, a spherical earth, or gravity, or tectonic plates, or other solar systems, let alone galaxies.
9) Didn't take showers with soap or wash their disgusting barbaric hands. Probably went poo-poo and pee-pee like dogs.
10) Were retards, but let's just believe everything and all the fairy tales that the retards came up with.
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Not to mention historians have catalogued over 2500 gods and deities so far. They can't all be right but they can all be wrong
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
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You guys are so smart.
You should write books so those with less superior brains can marvel at your intellect.
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: You guys are so smart.
You should write books so those with less superior brains can marvel at your intellect.
There are plenty of secular, atheist and skeptical writings on the subject. Put down the bible and give them a chance. Choose for yourself, don't let your god make your decisions for you.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Portable-Atheist-Essential-Nonbeliever/dp/0306816083
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie] 1
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I'll pass, the words are probably too big for me. Thanks, though.
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JustForToday said: I believe there is an afterlife. And I also I believe I can't be saved and i'm going to hell. I'm too far gone to turn back.
If the bible is true, then Satan is certainly the good deity. Heaven is a prison for the flock. Lucifer is a lover of freedom.
is that why the Jews are god's so called chosen people? they look up to Satan and Lucifer? things are starting to make sense.
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Lol I have read most of the major titles on atheism. I think there is a lot of retarded shit in the bible. Thats awesome. Now lets focus our efforts on what you DO believe in. labelling yourself as an atheist is a fad at this point. People do it to feel superior and intellectual
I agree with most of the points made. But you are essentially defining your existence by what you are against
And the same "greater than thou" ness that the over religious have in their tone, much of the atheist community has
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: topdog82]
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topdog82 said: Lol I have read most of the major titles on atheism. I think there is a lot of retarded shit in the bible. Thats awesome. Now lets focus our efforts on what you DO believe in. labelling yourself as an atheist is a fad at this point. People do it to feel superior and intellectual
I agree with most of the points made. But you are essentially defining your existence by what you are against
And the same "greater than thou" ness that the over religious have in their tone, much of the atheist community has
i am defiantly not an atheist. i just do not believe(in) certain things, that is all. i do believe there to be a supreme being, i just do not believe in god. i would describe myself as being nonreligious.
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i think that it is funny that there is so much homosexuality/sexual abuse when it comes to the "church"(pastors and the other people in charge or in powerful positions within the church). the people that are supposed to represent god molest kids and then there are the homosexuals. maybe i am wrong, but doesn't the bible speak against these sorts of lifestyles/activities?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22395995 - 10/18/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im of the opinion that it cant be ruled out, consciousness can effect a measurable force on inanimate matter. It can literally change the outcome of events and its no where close to being accurately understood, yet alone tied into everything else, it might be easy enough to classify the speed objects drop in a vaccum, or the peculiar velocity of light but the most complex questions we have about this reality remain unanswered by science, so to me it seems foolish to rule something like a thereafter out because we can assign a particular charge to an electron, or calculate a redshift, when we cut down to it we're nothing but a bunch of fucking fools who have no idea whats going on with anything. Aside from the most basic and elementary things, things that slap you in the fucking face with their simplicity. The broader picture, I believe, is still lost on humanity.
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topdog82 said: Lol I have read most of the major titles on atheism. I think there is a lot of retarded shit in the bible. Thats awesome. Now lets focus our efforts on what you DO believe in. labelling yourself as an atheist is a fad at this point. People do it to feel superior and intellectual
I agree with most of the points made. But you are essentially defining your existence by what you are against
And the same "greater than thou" ness that the over religious have in their tone, much of the atheist community has
i am defiantly not an atheist. i just do not believe(in) certain things, that is all. i do believe there to be a supreme being, i just do not believe in god. i would describe myself as being nonreligious.
That type of belief is an oxymoron. 'God' is not the given name for the Christian god, it's a formal title for a position. The closest I've come to for an actual name for the Christian god is Yahweh but after having discussed this with my cousin, who is a priest who majored in theistic studies said, and I'm paraphrasing here, even Yahweh is a colloquialism stemming from Judaism. So saying that you don't believe in god but do believe in a supreme being is like saying you don't believe in a supreme being but you also believe in one.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
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And you cant educate an idiot.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Idiot]
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topdog82 said: Lol I have read most of the major titles on atheism. I think there is a lot of retarded shit in the bible. Thats awesome. Now lets focus our efforts on what you DO believe in. labelling yourself as an atheist is a fad at this point. People do it to feel superior and intellectual
I agree with most of the points made. But you are essentially defining your existence by what you are against
And the same "greater than thou" ness that the over religious have in their tone, much of the atheist community has
i am defiantly not an atheist. i just do not believe(in) certain things, that is all. i do believe there to be a supreme being, i just do not believe in god. i would describe myself as being nonreligious.
That type of belief is an oxymoron. 'God' is not the given name for the Christian god, it's a formal title for a position. The closest I've come to for an actual name for the Christian god is Yahweh but after having discussed this with my cousin, who is a priest who majored in theistic studies said, and I'm paraphrasing here, even Yahweh is a colloquialism stemming from Judaism. So saying that you don't believe in god but do believe in a supreme being is like saying you don't believe in a supreme being but you also believe in one.
because you believe something i do not, i am an oxymoron? you a a typical religious fanatic it seems. can you tell me where the word "god" originated?
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you gave yourself the name Idiot for a very difficult reason for you to understand.
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Tell me seed, what draws you to believing in a singular creationary being? Is it the allure of being inextricably connected to something so unfathomably powerful? Is it the idea of potential permanence in a sea of transience? Or is it something else?
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i believe that there is one in power. that which is the highest power. one creator(although i do think there is another name for "it" that i do not know) that will always be the one at the top. it is just waiting for the right time to make it's move. receive that as you will. it just sits back and watches the show so to speak, and lets people do as they please.
when i refer to the "one" i am referring to the one that created everything that is known to the human race.
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oh wow, what move is it gonna make? Is it gonna come down and make everyone as happy as can be in one grand swoop? Will you all live in bliss forever after?
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what is life? you might find out eventually.
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no not everyone will be happy.
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Really? Is the afterlife whatever your ego is willing you to imagine? Im sure whatever petty material fulfillment's you desire are at the forefront of this change. When god sweeps down Im sure you'll be banging supermodels all day and breaking banks bro
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if god sweeps down you'll probably be his first boyfriend. do not worry you two will get along good.
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Im nothing more then a dream of a god, a momentary break from being all knowing and all seeing and eventually I'll return to that level of being because there is no separation between anything, and the most powerful force is inseparable from the lowest, and everything will be remembered, its the forgetting what you were that brings life to whats always been.
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topdog82 said: Lol I have read most of the major titles on atheism. I think there is a lot of retarded shit in the bible. Thats awesome. Now lets focus our efforts on what you DO believe in. labelling yourself as an atheist is a fad at this point. People do it to feel superior and intellectual
I agree with most of the points made. But you are essentially defining your existence by what you are against
And the same "greater than thou" ness that the over religious have in their tone, much of the atheist community has
i am defiantly not an atheist. i just do not believe(in) certain things, that is all. i do believe there to be a supreme being, i just do not believe in god. i would describe myself as being nonreligious.
That type of belief is an oxymoron. 'God' is not the given name for the Christian god, it's a formal title for a position. The closest I've come to for an actual name for the Christian god is Yahweh but after having discussed this with my cousin, who is a priest who majored in theistic studies said, and I'm paraphrasing here, even Yahweh is a colloquialism stemming from Judaism. So saying that you don't believe in god but do believe in a supreme being is like saying you don't believe in a supreme being but you also believe in one.
because you believe something i do not, i am an oxymoron? you a a typical religious fanatic it seems. can you tell me where the word "god" originated?
I'm actually an atheist. I'm not super knowledgeable about religion but I do like to look into their beliefs and their roots to see if there is any merit to them. I mean it's just as stupid to blindly reject something as it is to blindly accept it. My point was that your saying that you don't believe in [ambiguous term], however you do believe that there might be an [ambiguous term.] This is oxymoronic.
The etymology of the word 'God' is debated. Upon some research I've found that the word 'God' is a relatively new word (peaking in usage in the late 1600s to early 1700s) and, contrary to what I've said before, has evolved to be the proper name of the Christian God, but it's roots are not as such. The roots however are what are debated. The German; Gott, the Persian; Khuda, the Gothic; gheu. Most of which mean the light, the one invoked, the one to sacrifice to, ect. Although, keep in mind, this is information gathered in like 10 minutes of research so there's probably more concise etymologies out there.
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I gave myself the name Idiot because that's how everyone should feel about themselves and hence I feel this about myself, some might call it depression. I've been called many things throughout my life and I'm not gonna lie, Iv'e been called an idiot, stupid, ect. but the ratio of being called smart (or similar) vs stupid (or similar) favors smart. Regardless of that, and even though everyone thinking of ones self as an idiot might be overbearing, I do believe that humility should be more prevalent in society.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Idiot]
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The more I think about the odea of falling from life into another, the more upset I get.
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Don't lump Catholics in with Christians.
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brain is shutting down: release of Serotonin and Dopamine and other endogenous neurotransmitters: there are visions, there is dilation of time.
the inverse to God--(Heaven);(the Light); is nothingness. it's radiating beautiful and serene, and then absolution for having ever been alive, been flesh and bone...you die and you rot, and you feed the Earth, and the light leaves your eyes and flies up to the stars to meet them in graceful everlasting.
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catholic [kath-uh-lik, kath-lik]
adjective 1.broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal.
2.universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all.
3.pertaining to the whole Christian body or church.
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That would be wrong. I get it, as you're not a Christian, so it's hard to see the difference. But the Catholic Church directly goes against pretty much everything in the New Testament. They're pretty much white Jews.
If you've ever been to Mass, it's surprisingly closer to a Traditional Witchcraft Circle than any Christian ritual.
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[quote]Sheekle said: [quote]ThatKidWithTheFace said: Is this the same aunt that fucks dogs?[/quote] u bet ur ass it is.[/quote]
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oh and Die Commie is right about memory and the soul.
the whole point of our existence is to record, and possibly feel pleasure, and have knowledge of said record, a recording, if you will; it's time-lapse only if you're not moving.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
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I don't know if anyone can really be "right" in a thread like this. Since it's essentially just asking you to share your beliefs.
Except for me, of course. I'm always right
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i'm always right too, whadaya know.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
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It's like we're twins!
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[quote]Sheekle said: [quote]ThatKidWithTheFace said: Is this the same aunt that fucks dogs?[/quote] u bet ur ass it is.[/quote]
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ya! that's it, that's what it's like, we're twins! he-e-e-y but i bet you i can bag Sissy Spelunk, over there, first, with an interlocution into 'dare gang, and then with a little frisk action in the tickling the side-boob, and you'll just have to eat my dust.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
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I think I missed something
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what was that? i was in the bathroom with Sissy, ya screw, they call me The Flash.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Confucian] 5
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10) Were retards, but let's just believe everything and all the fairy tales that the retards came up with.
My beliefs are actually based upon my own experiences I've had with meditation, prayer, ceremonial practice with entheogens, yoga, etc. Many of these beliefs seem to have been shared and written about already thousands of years ago by your so-called retards.
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10) Were retards, but let's just believe everything and all the fairy tales that the retards came up with.
My beliefs are actually based upon my own experiences I've had with meditation, prayer, ceremonial practice with entheogens, yoga, etc. Many of these beliefs seem to have been shared and written about already thousands of years ago by your so-called retards.
Pretty much this!
Go Bunny!
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: You guys are so smart.
You should write books so those with less superior brains can marvel at your intellect.
It's not that we're so smart. It's that we are in utter shock that grown adults in the 21st century believe that invisible people live way up in the sky and fly around and watch/obsess/guide/root for 1 species of mammal 24/7/365. It's a very bizarre and primitive fairy tale to believe.
But, then again, we understand that it is typically people with their lives in shambles, living way below the poverty line, with crappy minimum wage jobs, with zero higher education, scientifically/mathematically/logically illiterate, who believe in this stuff because it makes their crappy disappointing robotic life feel better when an invisible person lives in outer space and spies on them 24/7.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: yogabunny]
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10) Were retards, but let's just believe everything and all the fairy tales that the retards came up with.
My beliefs are actually based upon my own experiences I've had with meditation, prayer, ceremonial practice with entheogens, yoga, etc. Many of these beliefs seem to have been shared and written about already thousands of years ago by your so-called retards.
Really, name 5 authors and 5 books written thousands of years ago on the topic, or did you just make that up and think I wouldn't notice?
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: That would be wrong. I get it, as you're not a Christian, so it's hard to see the difference. But the Catholic Church directly goes against pretty much everything in the New Testament. They're pretty much white Jews.
If you've ever been to Mass, it's surprisingly closer to a Traditional Witchcraft Circle than any Christian ritual.
LOL - You clearly don't know the history of your fairy tale.
Peter is considered the 1st pope. The 2nd is Linus in the year 67 (that is BEFORE ANY OF THE GOSPELS WERE EVEN WRITTEN).
Catholicism is as close to original Christianity that you can get, and it is very telling (and hilarious) that you find it to be a bizarre ritualistic witchcraft-like practice.
The version of Christianity that seems normal and "the truth" and "correct" to you wasn't invented until the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century. You might want to learn your own history.
Invented by men 1500 years after the times of Jesus yet your religion is correct - lmao.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: As for near death experiences, when the body get's close to dying or thinks it will it releases DMT into the brain causing severe hallucinations and delusions. One could say it's the brains coping mechanism for death but if anything it disproves an afterlife as the experience people claim to have had with near death experiences are most likely just DMT trips.
since you say that with certainty you undoubtedly have some scientific evidence to back that up
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enlightened seed said: catholic [kath-uh-lik, kath-lik]
adjective 1.broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal.
2.universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all.
3.pertaining to the whole Christian body or church.
using an operational definition, or dictionary definition, to back your claim is very problematic, especially in conversations like these where webster's online may not be able to concisely capture the nuances of the term. moreover, the given definition of catholic is incorrect. there are three primary branches of christianity - roman catholic, eastern orthodox and protestant. and there are countless sects and sub-sects that generally fall under those three categories. and then you have various heretical sects ranging from arian (jehova's witnesses) to mystical (quakers) beyond the fringe. the differences range from how the godhead is conceived to the interpretation of the bible itself i.e. protestantism, which rejects the catholic interpretation of the bible. for protestants, the bible contains one divine message, which is why protestantism places so much emphasis on the bible, which is viewed by catholics as a form of idolatry, i.e. bibliolatry, or "worship of the book".
for catholics, the bible's contents are layered in such a way as to mean different things to different people of varying levels of intelligence. this view, derived from the ideas of thomas aquinas (often referred to as the "thomist view"), is a relic of the scholastic age, when the priesthood was one of the primary ways to get smart people to the governing spheres of society. in the middle ages, being smart meant you understood the deeper, allegorical implications of the bible and were thus recruited into the ranks of the church in order to further their endeavor of systematically evolving populations.
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: That would be wrong. I get it, as you're not a Christian, so it's hard to see the difference. But the Catholic Church directly goes against pretty much everything in the New Testament. They're pretty much white Jews.
If you've ever been to Mass, it's surprisingly closer to a Traditional Witchcraft Circle than any Christian ritual.
i would contest this claim as well. the imperial church (now the roman catholic church) canonized the new testament in order to reign in warring sects of christians and bring stability to the roman empire during what some historians refer to as the third century crisis. if you're saying that the church has done bad things, then we definitely agree. but the new testament is a product of the earliest sanctioned form of christianity.
also, i would point out that certain types of witchcraft copy the form of the mass, and they are much newer than the church. anton lavey popularized the practice of the "black mass" in the 60's. the ritual itself is largely derived from (mostly) protestant witch hunting propaganda from the fifteenth to seventeenth centuries.
and since we're on the topic of satanism, i always try to recommend this book whenever it comes up, because it's so well researched and so well written. even if you have a casual interest in religion, put this on your list. flowers wrote this during the height of the satanic scare in the 80's in order to set the record straight on what actual satanism is.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Confucian]
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: That would be wrong. I get it, as you're not a Christian, so it's hard to see the difference. But the Catholic Church directly goes against pretty much everything in the New Testament. They're pretty much white Jews.
If you've ever been to Mass, it's surprisingly closer to a Traditional Witchcraft Circle than any Christian ritual.
LOL - You clearly don't know the history of your fairy tale.
Peter is considered the 1st pope. The 2nd is Linus in the year 67 (that is BEFORE ANY OF THE GOSPELS WERE EVEN WRITTEN).
Catholicism is as close to original Christianity that you can get, and it is very telling (and hilarious) that you find it to be a bizarre ritualistic witchcraft-like practice.
The version of Christianity that seems normal and "the truth" and "correct" to you wasn't invented until the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century. You might want to learn your own history.
Invented by men 1500 years after the times of Jesus yet your religion is correct - lmao.
you forgot to add the part about the catholic church compiling the bible and omitting anything that went against the beliefs of the wife of constantine, this includes the new testament
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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constantine needed an army. canonization and the catholic religion that followed had nothing to do with his wife. get off of wikipedia prisoner.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#22397496 - 10/18/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have little doubt that there is life after death. Its to me as obvious as the assumption that alien civilisations exist.
I don't know the value of accounts of near death experiences, even though they are highly compelling and of interest to anyone interested in altered states of consciousness, but that we go on, thats inevitable in my understanding of the universe.
I view the Universe as a vast dance of energy that is eternal. Because the motion is eternal and the number of moves finite, you get the situation that every possible constellation of this energy will recur in every possible way, forever.
So whatever makes you you, its reproducible and will in fact be reproduced for all eternity.
Your current life is just a minute fraction of lives and experiences that can be had.
Enjoy the ride.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
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Asante, do you believe in animism?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: millzy]
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millzy said: constantine needed an army. canonization and the catholic religion that followed had nothing to do with his wife. get off of wikipedia prisoner. 
you're grossly mistaken
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Achillita]
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Achillita said: Asante, do you believe in animism?
Animism is the foundation of my beliefs system yes. Everything IS energy and energy IS spirit. Thus, every constellation comes endowed with many spirits governing its parts. Everything is in all things because all is one.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
#22397552 - 10/18/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: I have little doubt that there is life after death. Its to me as obvious as the assumption that alien civilisations exist.
What the thinker thinks, the prover proves.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
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You can't prove stuff like that at this point.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
#22397567 - 10/18/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm glad to see you admit that at least. Saying things like "its obvious" is pretty bullish.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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You are missing the context, the context that was clearly present in that post.
Its not obvious for most people, but if you have the outlined understanding of the universe then that conclusion is entirely logical and near inescapable.
It makes as obvious as believing that you will roll six again if you roll dice an infinite number of times.
We know that it works this way with rolling dice, why should we be any different?
You just can't rip the mystery out of the human organism by reducing it to a mere machine, but then, aha! the magic returns because the machine cannot be reproduced. That isnt reductionism its nihilism.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#22397753 - 10/18/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol at the number of people believing in an afterlife.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
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why do you have this as your avatar? 
if you don't believe in interconnectedness?
are you concerned or even interested in the concept of death at all?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said: lol at the number of people believing in an afterlife.
Death is scary. The universe is big and an individual is lonely. I really think that has a lot to do with it, the denial of death and a coping mechanism for fear and anxiety.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: why do you have this as your avatar? 
if you don't believe in interconnectedness?
are you concerned or even interested in the concept of death at all?
I believe in interconectedness. I simply believe that 'me' as a continuous consciousness is not something that will outlast my physical body. I can get with the idea of a creator or creators more than I can with an afterlife.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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you know, maybe there is interpretation in the scriptures and spiritual philosophies, that might pertain to a certain way to live life, that have the concept of an after-life or a God (or Gods), in order to further improve your life.
maybe that's all it's about?
if so, then what is the problem, if it is all allegorical?
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I believe in interconectedness. I simply believe that 'me' as a continuous consciousness is not something that will outlast my physical body. I can get with the idea of a creator or creators more than I can with an afterlife.
maybe this consciousness isn't the only consciousness we inhabit? who knows. noway to really tell, except, well,...die.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
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I have always found it interesting that some of the greatest minds in history (Isaac Newton, Leonhard Euler, Albert Einstein, Michelangelo and others) were not atheists. This is not definitive proof of life after death. But, I would wager than all of them put a lot of thought into the subject. And, they decided that there was something beyond death.
I am not religious. But, I am spiritual. My beliefs lie somewhere in between afterlife and nothing. I certainly don't agree that man was made in a god's image. I mean, if a god created us and saw how we treat each other and the world around us, wouldn't he immediately stomp us out. Think of it this way. If we created some autonomous artificial intelligence that went haywire and started to destroy people and things. I think the first thing we would do was to shut it down and destroy it. Why wouldn't a god do the same to us humans. So, I don't believe this is an all seeing supreme being that controls everything. I think there are higher intelligence, but I don't think that they have anymore control over us than we have over say viruses. Maybe some control, maybe not.
This is always an interesting topic to me. I like to see how people interpret the world around them. I do think its ridiculous how bent out of shape both atheists and theists get on the subject.
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akira_akuma said: you know, maybe there is interpretation in the scriptures and spiritual philosophies, that might pertain to a certain way to live life, that have the concept of an after-life or a God (or Gods), in order to further improve your life.
maybe that's all it's about?
if so, then what is the problem, if it is all allegorical?
I would say the problem is that it doesn't work. In my observation the less faithful, more secular and skeptical a society is the higher standard of living they have. Abandoning god and the notion of an afterlife does more to improve the life we actually have.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Indeed. However, if we become another consciousness, in what way do we continue? How is that not simply a different entity? I get the whole symbolism involved in energy passing from form to form, matter being reconstituted etc, but as far as I'm concerned 'me' is a specific, albeit changing lens. What I consider 'me' will end, and other things considering themselves to be various 'me's will come into being and that's just how it goes, as far as I can see. To me one of the most valuable aspects of psychedelics is finding peace with that.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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their raillery kinda defeats the purpose of their supposed beliefs that people should just not discuss the idea of what happens when you die, other than securing death certificates, and only resort to discussing of a secular nature. doesn't it?
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akira_akuma said: why do you have this as your avatar? 
if you don't believe in interconnectedness?
are you concerned or even interested in the concept of death at all?
Because he thought it was "trippy"
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
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I would say the problem is that it doesn't work. In my observation the less faithful, more secular and skeptical a society is the higher standard of living they have. Abandoning god and the notion of an afterlife does more to improve the life we actually have.
skeptical sure...i'd buy that for a dollar.
but doesn't a skeptic question everything? therefore, no limits. no impositions.
even secularism?
secular sometimes. fairy tales, others, for people's sake for a more relevant life. do you think everyone should be trying to get to Mars?
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I don't see how spirituality necessitates a belief in the afterlife. To me interconectedness and patterns of change are powerful symbols, reflecting the natural processes in the world. I am personally quite interested in various gods, views of the cosmos etc -although I don't necessarily buy into any of them- but one thing that to me just seems highly improbable and unnecessary, even in a god-created world full of spirits and dmt elves, is reincarnation or continuation of consciousness without the body from which consciousness stemmed. Why, in your mind, does consciousness need to continue beyond death, for the individual?
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akira_akuma said: why do you have this as your avatar? 
if you don't believe in interconnectedness?
are you concerned or even interested in the concept of death at all?
Because he thought it was "trippy"
also cus its an album cover, but shhhh
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397819 - 10/18/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: their raillery kinda defeats the purpose of their supposed beliefs that people should just not discuss the idea of what happens when you die, other than securing death certificates, and only resort to discussing of a secular nature. doesn't it?
I don't quite get what you're asking here.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22397837 - 10/18/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: constantine needed an army. canonization and the catholic religion that followed had nothing to do with his wife. get off of wikipedia prisoner. 
you're grossly mistaken
back your claim then. explain to me what constantine's wife had to do with the issuing of the edict of milan and the formation of the imperial church.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397841 - 10/18/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said:
also cus its an album cover, but shhhh
looks like Grateful Dead but you know what can't be to sure, say, what is it? looks cool.
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Ezuma said: I don't see how spirituality necessitates a belief in the afterlife. To me interconectedness and patterns of change are powerful symbols, reflecting the natural processes in the world. I am personally quite interested in various gods, views of the cosmos etc -although I don't necessarily buy into any of them- but one thing that to me just seems highly improbable and unnecessary, even in a god-created world full of spirits and dmt elves, is reincarnation or continuation of consciousness without the body from which consciousness stemmed. Why, in your mind, does consciousness need to continue beyond death, for the individual?
no one needs it, but those who think they need it. duh.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397862 - 10/18/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's from 'Hissing Fauna, are you the destroyer?' by Of Montreal. Good album (imo)
I'd be down for T. Mckenna's dmt afterlife idea... that'd be cool. Still unconvinced though
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397869 - 10/18/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said:
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akira_akuma said: their raillery kinda defeats the purpose of their supposed beliefs that people should just not discuss the idea of what happens when you die, other than securing death certificates, and only resort to discussing of a secular nature. doesn't it?
I don't quite get what you're asking here.
they rail about how people think about how there might be an afterlife, or believe in that sort of thing - they don't condone discussing the afterlife, thus they only wish to discuss secular things - all of which is contradictory/they cannot ask of people to not talk of the afterlife and discuss people whom discuss about the afterlife.
at least, you'd think, logically, what's their aim in discussing everything only in a secular setting BUT the talk of people whom discuss the afterlife? what's the aim in avoiding talk of the afterlife whilst not believing in it, most importantly, hmm, seems to me like it might lead to some very interesting answers and discovery.
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Ezuma said: It's from 'Hissing Fauna, are you the destroyer?' by Of Montreal. Good album (imo)
I'd be down for T. Mckenna's dmt afterlife idea... that'd be cool. Still unconvinced though
you know, i love Of Montreal, but i haven't heard that album yet.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397878 - 10/18/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah, I see. Good point indeed. Well, one thing is for sure. Folks believing in different thangs about afterlife has lead to a great deal of suffering and death.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: 4HO-DMT] 1
#22397895 - 10/18/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Ah, I see. Good point indeed. Well, one thing is for sure. Folks believing in different thangs about afterlife has lead to a great deal of suffering and death.
When the "real life" is beyond the grave, the physical life here on earth loses value and even becomes an annoyance.
We tell our enemies - As much as you love life—the Muslim loves death and martyrdom. There is a great difference between him who loves the hereafter and him who loves this world. The Muslim loves death and strives for martyrdom. - Sheikh Ikrima Sabri
Muslims are not alone in this regard.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397901 - 10/18/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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they celebrate it, does not mean that they want it. they aim not to fear it. that's all that fuckin' means.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397904 - 10/18/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Ah, I see. Good point indeed. Well, one thing is for sure. Folks believing in different thangs about afterlife has lead to a great deal of suffering and death.
When the "real life" is beyond the grave, the physical life here on earth loses value and even becomes an annoyance.
We tell our enemies - As much as you love life—the Muslim loves death and martyrdom. There is a great difference between him who loves the hereafter and him who loves this world. The Muslim loves death and strives for martyrdom. - Sheikh Ikrima Sabri
Muslims are not alone in this regard.
this is the most important point I think, to be made here. Whatever the truth of afterlives are/is, its all speculation, and it's best to avoid basing your life around speculation imo
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397910 - 10/18/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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but if you're not speculating, you're just contemplating. if you're not doing, you're just thinking; if you're not moving, you're just distracted.
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#22397911 - 10/18/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like you are mincing words to excuse a death cult that disrespects physical life. The meaning is clear, they love death - its explicitly stated.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397915 - 10/18/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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speculation is fine. The problem is mistaking speculation for truth
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397917 - 10/18/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no, i mean, what i said is more like the scriptures teachings...sure it's devolved certainly, by being misinterpreted, but that doesn't however mean i am saying that wasn't ever (or is) a deathcult, no on the contrary, it's exactly that. a horde. a religion.
that's what it is.
that's why they defend death.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397920 - 10/18/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: speculation is fine. The problem is mistaking speculation for truth
what isn't speculation of truth?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397932 - 10/18/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no, i mean, what i said is more like the scriptures teachings...sure it's devolved certainly, by being misinterpreted, but that doesn't however mean i am saying that wasn't ever (or is) a deathcult, no on the contrary, it's exactly that. a horde. a religion.
You can't misinterpret a false religion - there is no "correct" interpretation, that is what makes it an interpretation. The only way you can defend that statement is to be a believer and appeal to your god's intent.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397937 - 10/18/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes! I have taken care of it for all intent and purpose. Be a good person!
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397954 - 10/18/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: speculation is fine. The problem is mistaking speculation for truth
what isn't speculation of truth?
serious? Speculation of truth, is different than speculating, then treating your imaginings as real. We have to work with limited understandings of the universe in all areas, but there's no reason to confound matters even further by lending unnecessary weight to avenues of speculation which offer no compelling evidence to support themselves
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397961 - 10/18/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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there is no summery conclusion other than details of the past, predictions, predilections.
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#22397982 - 10/18/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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True, but there isn't much in the way of compelling arguments for life after death. Maybe it exists, maybe it doesn't. Since we know this life we have right now exists, and it may well be all we get, it makes sense to live for this life. Screw whatever 'might' be around the corner
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397993 - 10/18/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't misinterpret a false religion - there is no "correct" interpretation, that is what makes it an interpretation. The only way you can defend that statement is to be a believer and appeal to your god's intent.
look, if what you're are saying it 'the philosophies lie', then we are already in understanding.
i am saying it is a misinterpretation what YOU are saying. their interpretation is simply a different wording, a different perspective on the precise meaning of what the words are, to be exact.
they think of it as honorable, and not foolish, when you can see that it's foolish, because the Quran is based on lies, but the fact is their belief makes it as real as anything, but their interpretation is different just like your own, from those who actually interpreted the Quran before modern history. that's why they devolve the religion's attitudes, and certainly not at the behest of the religion's leader's, or proponent attitudes, because they want to preserve themselves, but however, the religion rots. i understand that.
i'm just saying, it's an old philosophy to reign in people to make way for a new way of life, it is an old old philosophy that is born to be retained in antiquity, but it's entire AIM, like all religions, is to preserve it's tenants and people's interests...like the government.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma] 1
#22398005 - 10/18/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: Screw whatever 'might' be around the corner
oh i couldn't agree more. i'd... -- could just collapse mandibular symphysis under harmful G-loads alike of fist upon the exact evincing of it's face.
Edited by akira_akuma (10/18/15 04:01 PM)
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22398014 - 10/18/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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you have a way with words. I'm not always sure it can be considered lucid, but it's certainly entertaining
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22398024 - 10/18/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thank you! i don't know if i'm lucid, but i'm convincing!
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22398474 - 10/18/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so no one else likes my religion theory?
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#22399138 - 10/18/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really, name 5 authors and 5 books written thousands of years ago on the topic, or did you just make that up and think I wouldn't notice?
Rigveda (1500-2000 BC) Tao Te Ching (6th Century BC) Yoga Sutras (400 BC) Charaka Samhita (Ayurveda, 900-600 BC) Sushruta Samhita (Ayurveda, 6th Century BC) Materia Medica (1st written in 1 AD) Bhagavad Gita (5th century - 4th century AD)
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: yogabunny]
#22401325 - 10/19/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do consider myself quote spiritual also, or not, and know Interconnectedness is a fact of life. It does not mean one has to believe anything, just in the 'mystery'.
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Cosmic coniousness or awareness may have created existence itself to experience everything that can be expereinced thats just.my subjective thought on the universe probably just a psychedelic delusion lol so yeah i believe in consiousness surviving death idk if id call it afterlife
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