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akira_akuma said: why do you have this as your avatar? 
if you don't believe in interconnectedness?
are you concerned or even interested in the concept of death at all?
Because he thought it was "trippy"
also cus its an album cover, but shhhh
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397819 - 10/18/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: their raillery kinda defeats the purpose of their supposed beliefs that people should just not discuss the idea of what happens when you die, other than securing death certificates, and only resort to discussing of a secular nature. doesn't it?
I don't quite get what you're asking here.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22397837 - 10/18/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: constantine needed an army. canonization and the catholic religion that followed had nothing to do with his wife. get off of wikipedia prisoner. 
you're grossly mistaken
back your claim then. explain to me what constantine's wife had to do with the issuing of the edict of milan and the formation of the imperial church.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397841 - 10/18/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said:
also cus its an album cover, but shhhh
looks like Grateful Dead but you know what can't be to sure, say, what is it? looks cool.
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Ezuma said: I don't see how spirituality necessitates a belief in the afterlife. To me interconectedness and patterns of change are powerful symbols, reflecting the natural processes in the world. I am personally quite interested in various gods, views of the cosmos etc -although I don't necessarily buy into any of them- but one thing that to me just seems highly improbable and unnecessary, even in a god-created world full of spirits and dmt elves, is reincarnation or continuation of consciousness without the body from which consciousness stemmed. Why, in your mind, does consciousness need to continue beyond death, for the individual?
no one needs it, but those who think they need it. duh.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397862 - 10/18/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's from 'Hissing Fauna, are you the destroyer?' by Of Montreal. Good album (imo)
I'd be down for T. Mckenna's dmt afterlife idea... that'd be cool. Still unconvinced though
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397869 - 10/18/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: their raillery kinda defeats the purpose of their supposed beliefs that people should just not discuss the idea of what happens when you die, other than securing death certificates, and only resort to discussing of a secular nature. doesn't it?
I don't quite get what you're asking here.
they rail about how people think about how there might be an afterlife, or believe in that sort of thing - they don't condone discussing the afterlife, thus they only wish to discuss secular things - all of which is contradictory/they cannot ask of people to not talk of the afterlife and discuss people whom discuss about the afterlife.
at least, you'd think, logically, what's their aim in discussing everything only in a secular setting BUT the talk of people whom discuss the afterlife? what's the aim in avoiding talk of the afterlife whilst not believing in it, most importantly, hmm, seems to me like it might lead to some very interesting answers and discovery.
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Ezuma said: It's from 'Hissing Fauna, are you the destroyer?' by Of Montreal. Good album (imo)
I'd be down for T. Mckenna's dmt afterlife idea... that'd be cool. Still unconvinced though
you know, i love Of Montreal, but i haven't heard that album yet.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397878 - 10/18/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah, I see. Good point indeed. Well, one thing is for sure. Folks believing in different thangs about afterlife has lead to a great deal of suffering and death.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: 4HO-DMT] 1
#22397895 - 10/18/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Ah, I see. Good point indeed. Well, one thing is for sure. Folks believing in different thangs about afterlife has lead to a great deal of suffering and death.
When the "real life" is beyond the grave, the physical life here on earth loses value and even becomes an annoyance.
We tell our enemies - As much as you love life—the Muslim loves death and martyrdom. There is a great difference between him who loves the hereafter and him who loves this world. The Muslim loves death and strives for martyrdom. - Sheikh Ikrima Sabri
Muslims are not alone in this regard.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397901 - 10/18/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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they celebrate it, does not mean that they want it. they aim not to fear it. that's all that fuckin' means.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397904 - 10/18/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Ah, I see. Good point indeed. Well, one thing is for sure. Folks believing in different thangs about afterlife has lead to a great deal of suffering and death.
When the "real life" is beyond the grave, the physical life here on earth loses value and even becomes an annoyance.
We tell our enemies - As much as you love life—the Muslim loves death and martyrdom. There is a great difference between him who loves the hereafter and him who loves this world. The Muslim loves death and strives for martyrdom. - Sheikh Ikrima Sabri
Muslims are not alone in this regard.
this is the most important point I think, to be made here. Whatever the truth of afterlives are/is, its all speculation, and it's best to avoid basing your life around speculation imo
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397910 - 10/18/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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but if you're not speculating, you're just contemplating. if you're not doing, you're just thinking; if you're not moving, you're just distracted.
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#22397911 - 10/18/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like you are mincing words to excuse a death cult that disrespects physical life. The meaning is clear, they love death - its explicitly stated.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397915 - 10/18/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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speculation is fine. The problem is mistaking speculation for truth
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397917 - 10/18/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no, i mean, what i said is more like the scriptures teachings...sure it's devolved certainly, by being misinterpreted, but that doesn't however mean i am saying that wasn't ever (or is) a deathcult, no on the contrary, it's exactly that. a horde. a religion.
that's what it is.
that's why they defend death.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397920 - 10/18/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: speculation is fine. The problem is mistaking speculation for truth
what isn't speculation of truth?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397932 - 10/18/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no, i mean, what i said is more like the scriptures teachings...sure it's devolved certainly, by being misinterpreted, but that doesn't however mean i am saying that wasn't ever (or is) a deathcult, no on the contrary, it's exactly that. a horde. a religion.
You can't misinterpret a false religion - there is no "correct" interpretation, that is what makes it an interpretation. The only way you can defend that statement is to be a believer and appeal to your god's intent.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397937 - 10/18/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes! I have taken care of it for all intent and purpose. Be a good person!
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397954 - 10/18/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: speculation is fine. The problem is mistaking speculation for truth
what isn't speculation of truth?
serious? Speculation of truth, is different than speculating, then treating your imaginings as real. We have to work with limited understandings of the universe in all areas, but there's no reason to confound matters even further by lending unnecessary weight to avenues of speculation which offer no compelling evidence to support themselves
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397961 - 10/18/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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there is no summery conclusion other than details of the past, predictions, predilections.
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#22397982 - 10/18/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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True, but there isn't much in the way of compelling arguments for life after death. Maybe it exists, maybe it doesn't. Since we know this life we have right now exists, and it may well be all we get, it makes sense to live for this life. Screw whatever 'might' be around the corner
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