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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
#22397525 - 10/18/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante, do you believe in animism?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: millzy]
#22397534 - 10/18/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: constantine needed an army. canonization and the catholic religion that followed had nothing to do with his wife. get off of wikipedia prisoner. 
you're grossly mistaken
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Achillita]
#22397546 - 10/18/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Asante, do you believe in animism?
Animism is the foundation of my beliefs system yes. Everything IS energy and energy IS spirit. Thus, every constellation comes endowed with many spirits governing its parts. Everything is in all things because all is one.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
#22397552 - 10/18/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: I have little doubt that there is life after death. Its to me as obvious as the assumption that alien civilisations exist.
What the thinker thinks, the prover proves.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
#22397563 - 10/18/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't prove stuff like that at this point.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
#22397567 - 10/18/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm glad to see you admit that at least. Saying things like "its obvious" is pretty bullish.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397589 - 10/18/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are missing the context, the context that was clearly present in that post.
Its not obvious for most people, but if you have the outlined understanding of the universe then that conclusion is entirely logical and near inescapable.
It makes as obvious as believing that you will roll six again if you roll dice an infinite number of times.
We know that it works this way with rolling dice, why should we be any different?
You just can't rip the mystery out of the human organism by reducing it to a mere machine, but then, aha! the magic returns because the machine cannot be reproduced. That isnt reductionism its nihilism.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#22397753 - 10/18/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol at the number of people believing in an afterlife.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397758 - 10/18/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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why do you have this as your avatar? 
if you don't believe in interconnectedness?
are you concerned or even interested in the concept of death at all?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397759 - 10/18/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: lol at the number of people believing in an afterlife.
Death is scary. The universe is big and an individual is lonely. I really think that has a lot to do with it, the denial of death and a coping mechanism for fear and anxiety.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397765 - 10/18/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: why do you have this as your avatar? 
if you don't believe in interconnectedness?
are you concerned or even interested in the concept of death at all?
I believe in interconectedness. I simply believe that 'me' as a continuous consciousness is not something that will outlast my physical body. I can get with the idea of a creator or creators more than I can with an afterlife.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397769 - 10/18/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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you know, maybe there is interpretation in the scriptures and spiritual philosophies, that might pertain to a certain way to live life, that have the concept of an after-life or a God (or Gods), in order to further improve your life.
maybe that's all it's about?
if so, then what is the problem, if it is all allegorical?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22397775 - 10/18/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said:
I believe in interconectedness. I simply believe that 'me' as a continuous consciousness is not something that will outlast my physical body. I can get with the idea of a creator or creators more than I can with an afterlife.
maybe this consciousness isn't the only consciousness we inhabit? who knows. noway to really tell, except, well,...die.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Asante]
#22397779 - 10/18/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have always found it interesting that some of the greatest minds in history (Isaac Newton, Leonhard Euler, Albert Einstein, Michelangelo and others) were not atheists. This is not definitive proof of life after death. But, I would wager than all of them put a lot of thought into the subject. And, they decided that there was something beyond death.
I am not religious. But, I am spiritual. My beliefs lie somewhere in between afterlife and nothing. I certainly don't agree that man was made in a god's image. I mean, if a god created us and saw how we treat each other and the world around us, wouldn't he immediately stomp us out. Think of it this way. If we created some autonomous artificial intelligence that went haywire and started to destroy people and things. I think the first thing we would do was to shut it down and destroy it. Why wouldn't a god do the same to us humans. So, I don't believe this is an all seeing supreme being that controls everything. I think there are higher intelligence, but I don't think that they have anymore control over us than we have over say viruses. Maybe some control, maybe not.
This is always an interesting topic to me. I like to see how people interpret the world around them. I do think its ridiculous how bent out of shape both atheists and theists get on the subject.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22397782 - 10/18/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you know, maybe there is interpretation in the scriptures and spiritual philosophies, that might pertain to a certain way to live life, that have the concept of an after-life or a God (or Gods), in order to further improve your life.
maybe that's all it's about?
if so, then what is the problem, if it is all allegorical?
I would say the problem is that it doesn't work. In my observation the less faithful, more secular and skeptical a society is the higher standard of living they have. Abandoning god and the notion of an afterlife does more to improve the life we actually have.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397790 - 10/18/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Indeed. However, if we become another consciousness, in what way do we continue? How is that not simply a different entity? I get the whole symbolism involved in energy passing from form to form, matter being reconstituted etc, but as far as I'm concerned 'me' is a specific, albeit changing lens. What I consider 'me' will end, and other things considering themselves to be various 'me's will come into being and that's just how it goes, as far as I can see. To me one of the most valuable aspects of psychedelics is finding peace with that.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22397791 - 10/18/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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their raillery kinda defeats the purpose of their supposed beliefs that people should just not discuss the idea of what happens when you die, other than securing death certificates, and only resort to discussing of a secular nature. doesn't it?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22397798 - 10/18/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: why do you have this as your avatar? 
if you don't believe in interconnectedness?
are you concerned or even interested in the concept of death at all?
Because he thought it was "trippy"
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: DieCommie]
#22397801 - 10/18/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
I would say the problem is that it doesn't work. In my observation the less faithful, more secular and skeptical a society is the higher standard of living they have. Abandoning god and the notion of an afterlife does more to improve the life we actually have.
skeptical sure...i'd buy that for a dollar.
but doesn't a skeptic question everything? therefore, no limits. no impositions.
even secularism?
secular sometimes. fairy tales, others, for people's sake for a more relevant life. do you think everyone should be trying to get to Mars?
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I don't see how spirituality necessitates a belief in the afterlife. To me interconectedness and patterns of change are powerful symbols, reflecting the natural processes in the world. I am personally quite interested in various gods, views of the cosmos etc -although I don't necessarily buy into any of them- but one thing that to me just seems highly improbable and unnecessary, even in a god-created world full of spirits and dmt elves, is reincarnation or continuation of consciousness without the body from which consciousness stemmed. Why, in your mind, does consciousness need to continue beyond death, for the individual?
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