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Moonshoe
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Is there life after death? 2
#22393050 - 10/17/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are near death experiences evidence of some form of life after death?
Do veridical NDEs, where people accurately observe and recount things while they were braindead, eyes closed, sometimes in adjacent rooms, from a disembodied third person perspective- prove that consciousness is not confined to the body?

Can we survive death ? What is the nature of our consciousness ? “Beyond Our Sight” is an independant documentary that talks about near-death experiences, human consciousness, and the possibility of communication with other dimensions.
Where we go after death documentary
People See Verified Events While Out-Of-Body

Veridical NDEs occur when the experiencer acquires verifiable information which they could not have obtained by any normal means. Often, near-death experiencers report witnessing events that happen at some distant location away from their body, such as another room of the hospital. If the events witnessed by the experiencer at the distant location can be verified to have occurred, then veridical perception would be said to have taken place. It would provide very compelling evidence that NDEs are experiences outside of the physical body.
The following are some examples of veridical NDEs documented by Moody:
Example 1: An elderly woman had been blind since childhood. But, during her NDE, the woman had regained her sight and she was able to accurately describe the instruments and techniques used during the resuscitation her body. After the woman was revived, she reported the details to her doctor. She was able to tell her doctor who came in and out, what they said, what they wore, what they did, all of which was true. Her doctor then referred the woman to Moody who he knew was doing research at the time on NDEs.

Example 2: One patient told Moody, After it was all over the doctor told me that I had a really bad time, and I said, Yeah, I know.' He said, Well, how do you know?' and I said, I can tell you everything that happened.' He didn't believe me, so I told him the whole story, from the time I stopped breathing until the time I was kind of coming around. He was really shocked to know that I knew everything that had happened. He didn't know quite what to say, but he came in several times to ask me different things about it.
Example 3: In another instance a woman with a heart condition was dying at the same time that her sister was in a diabetic coma in another part of the same hospital. The subject reported having a conversation with her sister as both of them hovered near the ceiling watching the medical team work on her body below. When the woman awoke, she told the doctor that her sister had died while her own resuscitation was taking place. The doctor denied it, but when she insisted, he had a nurse check on it. The sister had, in fact, died during the time in question.

People who have died testify of life after death. Should we doubt those who have gone before us?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22393899 - 10/17/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i didn't read It all but yes, there is like after death, of some sort, I beleive
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22393978 - 10/17/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think so. But, I think it is a different form of consciousness than we know. Probably Ego death is pretty close to what death is like. I believe in some form of reincarnation.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#22393989 - 10/17/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My opinion of this topic is based on an understanding the science behind evolution and biology. The way I see it, "When you know where you come from, you know where you go."
As bitter as it may be to swallow, when a car crashes it's existence may as well be over, it is dead. The same goes for humans, when we die, our bodies decompose into the original minerals, nutrients we are made of.
If there was an afterlife, it sure as hell wouldn't be heaven or hell. The only evidence behind those are hope and delusion from people who have almost died.
Restating that this is my opinion and I respect everyone's right to believe what they want, it doesn't mean I have to respect the belief itself though.
As for near death experiences, when the body get's close to dying or thinks it will it releases DMT into the brain causing severe hallucinations and delusions. One could say it's the brains coping mechanism for death but if anything it disproves an afterlife as the experience people claim to have had with near death experiences are most likely just DMT trips.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#22394007 - 10/17/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, the soul is immortal. We are a living spirit that lives in a body. We become so attached to the body that we even mistake ourselves for the body we inhabit.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22394073 - 10/17/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If our minds can disconnect from our bodies then yeah it's probably possible that there is.
I'm not the one to be a wishful thinker but I don't think after we die that is it. I'm not that into new age stuff but if there is a life after death I think the most plausible situation would be what happened in Enter the Void. Not the whole reincarnation thing maybe, I hate the thought that when we die we are destined to start again from scratch in another life but the whole DMT phenomenon after death seems quite plausible if there is life after death 
I've k-hole recently and it was really weird having a K induced out of body experience and if that is possible then maybe life after death could be possible
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Janky Tits]
#22394158 - 10/17/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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OBE's on dissociatives are cool. i've been really far out before. mxe combined with 2ci has probably been the best combo for it, but 3-meo-pcp combined with various saratogenic compounds (mostly 4-fa - for me the two have a very special synergy) has been really interesting as well.
that said, i'm immediately skeptical of any sort of epistemological claim about something that is impossible to know. even if there is some sort of universal experience we have as we die in certain situations, and i think there are definitely situations where death is so quick that there wouldn't even be time for that (e.g. getting blown to bits in an explosion), that doesn't necessarily mean that there is an afterlife. we just can't know.
a more interesting premise, to me at least, is that the belief in an afterlife itself serves to prepare an individual for death. and this is by no means a new idea. socrates, moments before his death in the phaedo, elaborates.
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A man of sense ought not to say, nor will I be very confident, that the description which I have given of the soul and her mansions is exactly true. But I do say that, inasmuch as the soul is shown to be immortal, he may venture to think, not improperly or unworthily, that something of the kind is true. The venture is a glorious one, and he ought to comfort himself with words like these...Wherefore, I say, let a man be of good cheer about his soul, who having cast away the pleasures and ornaments of the body as alien to him and working harm rather than good, has sought after the pleasures of knowledge; and has arrayed the soul, not in some foreign attire, but in her own proper jewels, temperance,and justice, and courage, and nobility, and truth—in these adorned she is ready to go on her journey to the world below, when her hour comes.
but this point is precisely where many conversations about this topic go wrong. critics of the faithful reject the believe on the ground that an afterlife is improbable while ignoring its potential usefulness. perhaps having the belief itself is what matters most for us. not that all ethical behavior is predicated on a belief in the afterlife, but if it helps someone be a better person and causes no other harms, i don't see the problem.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: millzy]
#22394195 - 10/17/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn bro that shit you are doin sounds crazy 
I don't know how much id ever experiment with RCs or chemicals like 2ci or that PCP analogue you mentioned. The only dissociative I've ever felt compelled to try is K.
I hear MXE is pretty good as well but for now I think K-holing is the farthest I'll delve into the dissociative class. DMT and K are good enough for me for the moment
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: sudly]
#22394211 - 10/17/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sudly said: As for near death experiences, when the body get's close to dying or thinks it will it releases DMT into the brain causing severe hallucinations and delusions.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Janky Tits]
#22394225 - 10/17/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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2ci is one of the best rc's out there ime. visually stunning. the comeup can be tough for some people. at worst it just makes my legs shake. combining it with 2cc makes that comeup entirely go away and kicks it up a notch. awesome combo. if you hole with mxe after 2ci really gets going (maybe t+4?), it's absolutely fucking crazy. the entire room just changes around you. nothing quite like it.
3-meo-pcp is interesting too. you have to get it just right and it's only good for one bump. but if you hit the sweet spot it's two hours OBE. and once it's done, you feel great. with 4-fa it takes the edge off and leaves you happy, hungry and ready for bed.
all of this is done of course with safe dosage amounts using a milligram scale, in a safe setting, with a safe mindset, with materials from trusted sources. i wouldn't recommend people do what i do though: i think my level of fun might be disturbing to others.
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Edited by millzy (10/17/15 04:37 PM)
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: millzy]
#22394334 - 10/17/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find ot extreaml doubtful there is anything once yoir brain has died. It all seems wishful, and I would like it to be the case, bit I don;r see how livinh oitside a body, which is you, would work.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: millzy]
#22394415 - 10/17/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get too much stimulation from 2C-I for my liking, but at ~10mg or leses it served as an excellent and interesting stimulant with a strong mood-boost.
@Janky Doesn't sound like you're interested, but I'd definitely try MXE before trying 3-MeO-PCP. If you do enjoy the former, though, you probably would enjoy the latter. I love ketamine myself, but they're all unique (especially K vs MXE or 3-MeO).
On topic I believe I can't fathom what might be after death, but I am very hopeful to the point of expectation.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22394461 - 10/17/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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At very least there is life out of death
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Well i googled it and most of the top results were articles with headlines stating yes there is. So in a very half assed search the answer is yes.
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No. Why ouht there be? if consciousness is a byproduct of evolution, a tool to further spread genes, then there is no use for consciousness beyond the existence of the body, aside from there also being no evidence for a soul or an afterlife. Just wishful hinking to my mind.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ezuma]
#22394750 - 10/17/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: if
And if not?
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22394763 - 10/17/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I shall need to see convincing evidence, which even if there is an aterlife, i doubt will be forthcoming. I realize this view is somewhat limiting, but it just makes good sense to only lend credibiliy to ideas that are either evident or possible to prove or disprove.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#22394777 - 10/17/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel like death will be magnificent, full of light and love and peace. Not an end, a continuation. Also birth is not a beginning, but a continuation.
Sometimes I think we incarnate specifically to experience death again, but in order to come back we have to forget, so we become scared even though deep down we know there is nothing to feel.
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Re: Is there life after death? [Re: yogabunny] 1
#22394807 - 10/17/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yogabunny said: I feel like death will be magnificent, full of light and love and peace. Not an end, a continuation. Also birth is not a beginning, but a continuation.
Sometimes I think we incarnate specifically to experience death again, but in order to come back we have to forget, so we become scared even though deep down we know there is nothing to feel.

I'm sorry, I need to brush my teeth after puking so much. I get to die, only to forget and come back? That's pretty terrible. Not as bad as forgetting everything that made me who I am to bath in the light of god or whatever, but still.
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Can we get a TL;DR next time yeah? thanks.
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