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Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure * 1
    #22392087 - 10/17/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just came across this article:

The Most Mysterious Star in Our Galaxy

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In the Northern hemisphere’s sky, hovering above the Milky Way, there are two constellations—Cygnus the swan, her wings outstretched in full flight, and Lyra, the harp that accompanied poetry in ancient Greece, from which we take our word “lyric.”

Between these constellations sits an unusual star, invisible to the naked eye, but visible to the Kepler Space Telescope, which stared at it for more than four years, beginning in 2009.

“We’d never seen anything like this star,” says Tabetha Boyajian, a postdoc at Yale. “It was really weird. We thought it might be bad data or movement on the spacecraft, but everything checked out.”

Kepler was looking for tiny dips in the light emitted by this star. Indeed, it was looking for these dips in more than 150,000 stars, simultaneously, because these dips are often shadows cast by transiting planets. Especially when they repeat, periodically, as you’d expect if they were caused by orbiting objects.

The Kepler Space Telescope collected a great deal of light from all of those stars it watched. So much light that Kepler’s science team couldn’t process it all with algorithms. They needed the human eye, and human cognition, which remains unsurpassed in certain sorts of pattern recognition. Kepler’s astronomers decided to found Planet Hunters, a program that asked “citizen scientists” to examine light patterns emitted by the stars, from the comfort of their own homes.

In 2011, several citizen scientists flagged one particular star as “interesting” and “bizarre.” The star was emitting a light pattern that looked stranger than any of the others Kepler was watching.

The light pattern suggests there is a big mess of matter circling the star, in tight formation. That would be expected if the star were young. When our solar system first formed, four and a half billion years ago, a messy disk of dust and debris surrounded the sun, before gravity organized it into planets, and rings of rock and ice.

But this unusual star isn’t young. If it were young, it would be surrounded by dust that would give off extra infrared light. There doesn’t seem to be an excess of infrared light around this star.

It appears to be mature. 

And yet, there is this mess of objects circling it. A mess big enough to block a substantial number of photons that would have otherwise beamed into the tube of the Kepler Space Telescope. If blind nature deposited this mess around the star, it must have done so recently. Otherwise, it would be gone by now. Gravity would have consolidated it, or it would have been sucked into the star and swallowed, after a brief fiery splash.

Boyajian, the Yale Postdoc who oversees Planet Hunters, recently published a paper describing the star’s bizarre light pattern. Several of the citizen scientists are named as co-authors. The paper explores a number of scenarios that might explain the pattern—instrument defects; the shrapnel from an asteroid belt pileup; an impact of planetary scale, like the one that created our moon.

The paper finds each explanation wanting, save for one. If another star had passed through the unusual star’s system, it could have yanked a sea of comets inward. Provided there were enough of them, the comets could have made the dimming pattern.

But that would be an extraordinary coincidence, if that happened so recently, only a few millennia before humans developed the tech to loft a telescope into space. That’s a narrow band of time, cosmically speaking.

And yet, the explanation has to be rare or coincidental. After all, this light pattern doesn’t show up anywhere else, across 150,000 stars. We know that something strange is going on out there.

When I spoke to Boyajian on the phone, she explained that her recent paper only reviews “natural” scenarios. “But,” she said, there were “other scenarios” she was considering.

Jason Wright, an astronomer from Penn State University, is set to publish an alternative interpretation of the light pattern. SETI researchers have long suggested that we might be able to detect distant extraterrestrial civilizations, by looking for enormous technological artifacts orbiting other stars. Wright and his co-authors say the unusual star’s light pattern is consistent with a “swarm of megastructures,” perhaps stellar-light collectors, technology designed to catch energy from the star.

“When [Boyajian] showed me the data, I was fascinated by how crazy it looked,” Wright told me. “Aliens should always be the very last hypothesis you consider, but this looked like something you would expect an alien civilization to build.”

Boyajian is now working with Wright and Andrew Siemion, the Director of the SETI Research Center at the University of California, Berkeley. The three of them are writing up a proposal. They want to point a massive radio dish at the unusual star, to see if it emits radio waves at frequencies associated with technological activity.

If they see a sizable amount of radio waves, they’ll follow up with the Very Large Array (VLA) in New Mexico, which may be able to say whether the radio waves were emitted by a technological source, like those that waft out into the universe from Earth’s network of radio stations.

Assuming all goes well, the first observation would take place in January, with the follow-up coming next fall. If things go really well, the follow-up could happen sooner. “If we saw something exciting, we could ask the director for special allotted time on the VLA,” Wright told me. “And in that case, we’d be asking to go on right away.”

In the meantime, Boyajian, Siemion, Wright, the citizen scientists, and the rest of us, will have to content ourselves with longing looks at the sky, aimed between the swan and the lyre, where maybe, just maybe, someone is looking back, and seeing the sun dim ever so slightly, every 365 days.




Thoughts? Pretty crazy we are finally starting to see signs of possible life out there, knew it was only a matter of time.

Would be crazy if it actually was some sort of dyson sphere and or alien megastructure :eek:

Anyone else read the sci fi Ringworld? Great series about a megastructure similiar to the rings from the Halo series. They probably ripped it off.


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: musiclover420]
    #22392098 - 10/17/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: musiclover420]
    #22392101 - 10/17/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Information is way too vague to get excited about; too many assumptions and not enough high resolution images. Funny how we (the public) go from becoming cognizant of briny water on a neighboring planet a month ago to now imagining ancient technological super structures around distant star systems. Carl Sagan's Contact is a good book to read (not the movie) if the previous sentence was interesting to you.

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And yet, there is this mess of objects circling it. A mess big enough to block a substantial number of photons that would have otherwise beamed into the tube of the Kepler Space Telescope. If blind nature deposited this mess around the star, it must have done so recently. Otherwise, it would be gone by now. Gravity would have consolidated it, or it would have been sucked into the star and swallowed, after a brief fiery splash.




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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #22392106 - 10/17/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not going to say it's ancient aliens, but it probably is :ancientaliens:


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22392235 - 10/17/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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old news :ancientalien: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22381302#22381302




Damn guess I missed that, still pretty interesting.

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Information is way too vague to get excited about




Last I checked people could get however excited about whatever they want :lol:

I do agree it is clearly to early to make assumptions but the article states that many times throughout but also states many logical explanations don't make sense either save one or two that would have insanely small odds of even happening. Also people have thought of megastructures in space for years now, I don't know what your talking about.

That book I mentioned Ringworld was written in 1970 for example...

ringworld

Not really anything new, just the first I have seen any evidence pointing towards one actually existing. No matter how vague.


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: musiclover420]
    #22392277 - 10/17/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

these are what are powering the infinite nested virtual reality simulations that make up the multiverse :smile:


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #22392317 - 10/17/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If we were in a simulation why would it be powered from within? That would be incredible efficient.

But it seems equally possible whatever is creating the simulation might have a much greater power source if one is even necessary.

Of course I like the Rick N Morty miniverse in a lobster tank theory myself :wink:


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: musiclover420]
    #22392330 - 10/17/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Random question: can these proposed structures exist within the confines of the 13.82 billion years that science suggests is the age of the universe, or do you think that the universe would have to be a lot older?


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: WScott]
    #22392418 - 10/17/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Um, I think it's certainly not an issue of the universe not being old enough.  I'm not sure why you would think that though.  Can you elaborate?

It's sort of fun to think about the possibility we may be observing the first alien built structures.  It's a long shot, scientifically.  But it's a helluva lot more likely than all this ancient aliens BS and other crackpot theories of that ilk.


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    #22392438 - 10/17/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would not be surprised if the 13.82 billion years is a drop in a bucket.


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: WScott]
    #22392449 - 10/17/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

im a little confused tho, they thing its surrounded because its blocking the light, but if the star was surrounded there would be no light at all which means they wouldn't be able to even detect it:confused:

also they've given us photo's of other shit, how do they find this and suddenly can't produce photo's blurry or not?


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    #22392463 - 10/17/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

13bill years is plenty of time to do it tho, hell we could do it to our sun if we weren't spending all our time enslaving each other for profit's.  We don't have to surround it in cinder blocks.....all we need is alot of that shiny mylar type shit, might not be able to do the entire sun maybe just one side but whatever, all the computer shit we got might take a few years to plan out but im sure we could do it.  harvesting energy from it might take alot longer to figuer out tho


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    #22392474 - 10/17/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Then some civilization on the other side of the galaxy will see our structure and post about it on their version of Shroomery


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: WScott]
    #22392497 - 10/17/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The most logical form of a dyson sphere would be a dyson swarm, considering how much bigger stars are then their planets it wouldn't be possible to surround a star to collect energy even utilizing all the materials in the solar system most likely. However creating a grid of energy collecting devices to encircle the star indefinitely could be efficient and not block the star :shrug:

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I would not be surprised if the 13.82 billion years is a drop in a bucket.




Time is also completely subjective, more of an illusion really at least how we perceive it.

We have a biological clock of say 50-100 years, whose to say other more complex life forms exist with much much longer life spans. Not to mention if life exists in higher dimension like say a 4th dimensional life form it would be able to interact with the "time" we perceive as fluid entirely differently. There are an infinite amount of possibilities.


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: musiclover420]
    #22392548 - 10/17/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If we were in a simulation why would it be powered from within? That would be incredible efficient.

But it seems equally possible whatever is creating the simulation might have a much greater power source if one is even necessary.

Of course I like the Rick N Morty miniverse in a lobster tank theory myself :wink:




its not, thats powering the (one of many) simulations "below" us


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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #22392770 - 10/17/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I seriously doubt its an alien structure. Why would they need to block off that much space? Surely they have developed fusion power or some source way beyond fusion. I'm leaning toward a star or black hole having passed close by and either pulled material out of the star or pulled material close to it. Or possibly left material behind from the passing star.


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    #22392789 - 10/17/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No time is not subjective, it is a physical proporty of the universe woven tinto the laws of physics we know.


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    #22392794 - 10/17/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Then some civilization on the other side of the galaxy will see our structure and post about it on their version of Shroomery




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    #22392800 - 10/17/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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old news :ancientalien: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22381302#22381302





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Re: Possible dyson sphere/ alien megastructure [Re: musiclover420]
    #22392820 - 10/17/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just found this cool article by Popular Science:

http://www.popsci.com/alien-megastructures-how-astronomers-plan-to-investigate

So, scientists plan on using a radio telescope to see if radio emissions are coming from this suppose alien superstructure.

Can you imagine if they picked up un-natural, machine-like radio noise. How crazy would that be :eek:


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