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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22434999 - 10/26/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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America is much closer to Europe than Venezuela.  Give me a break.  :shake:




Lol! I can't even believe he think Venezuala is more of a Western Culture than Northen Europe.

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America is much closer to Europe than Venezuela.  Give me a break.  :shake:




Norway and Denmark have VERY strict immigration policies, we do not, quite the opposite in fact. The reason they do is because they know their welfare state would fall apart. That's one of the reasons it simply will not work here




As far as I'm aware, Bernie is not an advocate of unfettered immigration. It doesn't matter anyway. If it is too big of an issue we can put an end to immigration.


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22439328 - 10/27/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Self-identified liberals and Democrats do badly on questions of basic economics.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703561604575282190930932412



1) Restrictions on housing development make housing less affordable (unenlightened answer: disagree).
2) Mandatory licensing of professional services increases the prices of those services (unenlightened answer: disagree).
3) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).
4) Rent control leads to housing shortages (unenlightened answer: disagree).
5) A company with the largest market share is a monopoly (unenlightened answer: agree).
6) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree).
7) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree).
8) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree).


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22439485 - 10/27/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Self-identified liberals and Democrats do badly on questions of basic economics.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703561604575282190930932412



1) Restrictions on housing development make housing less affordable (unenlightened answer: disagree).
2) Mandatory licensing of professional services increases the prices of those services (unenlightened answer: disagree).
3) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).
4) Rent control leads to housing shortages (unenlightened answer: disagree).
5) A company with the largest market share is a monopoly (unenlightened answer: agree).
6) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree).
7) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree).
8) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree).



Those are very misleading questions:
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3) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).



If you go by average, then this is correct, because the top earners are doing phenomenally well and skew the numbers up.  But I that's not how I would have interpreted the question; I'd look at the median.

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6) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree).



If he meant "all" workers are being exploited would he be correct.  I wouldn't have interpreted it to be "all" since the question didn't say that.

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7) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree).



Another deceptive question.  If he meant unemployment overseas, then he would be correct.  If he meant unemployment in the US (which I'm sure most liberals assumed), then he is wrong, and I know both sides here have already agreed on this.

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8) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree)



Once again, the answer depends on what the question meant.  If it meant long term unemployment, then he is wrong yet again.


That's the most bogus survey I've ever seen.  But I expect nothing less from a conservative paper.


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22441203 - 10/27/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Self-identified liberals and Democrats do badly on questions of basic economics.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703561604575282190930932412



1) Restrictions on housing development make housing less affordable (unenlightened answer: disagree).
2) Mandatory licensing of professional services increases the prices of those services (unenlightened answer: disagree).
3) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).
4) Rent control leads to housing shortages (unenlightened answer: disagree).
5) A company with the largest market share is a monopoly (unenlightened answer: agree).
6) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree).
7) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree).
8) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree).




What's your point? Do you really want me to go through the much larger list of stupid shit conservatives have polled wrong on? Given that Fox News's audience has consistently polled as less informed than people who don't even watch the news? Lmao

I'll tell ya what, if you think liberals are by and large the uninformed idiot voters, you are in for a rude awakening, and I would be glad to expose you to the slew of retarded conservatives who vote for people like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, and Sam Brownback. Republicans are a fucking joke in his country. They used to be reasonable stable-minded people. Now they're uneducated fringe idiots.


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22441281 - 10/27/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

>>3) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).

>If you go by average, then this is correct, because the top earners are doing phenomenally well and skew the numbers up.  But I that's not how I would have interpreted the question; I'd look at the median.

I think the average person's standard of living is higher today than 30 years ago. We did not have cell phones then like today. Personal computers were a rarity, now people have them or a phone that does the same. We have the internet, google, many things we didn't have.

>>6) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree).

>If he meant "all" workers are being exploited would he be correct.  I wouldn't have interpreted it to be "all" since the question didn't say that.

Are all workers exploited? That is a communists answer. I would say third world workers have a lower standard of living and must work longer and harder to survive whether they work for us companies or local companies.

>>7) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree).

>Another deceptive question.  If he meant unemployment overseas, then he would be correct.  If he meant unemployment in the US (which I'm sure most liberals assumed), then he is wrong, and I know both sides here have already agreed on this.

We have not all agreed on this. In fact the consensus seems to be that it takes employment away from usa and sends it over seas. China for example has closed down many us factories who couldn't sell as cheaply.

>>8) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree)

It certainly does, and it makes it harder to compete with overseas. They pay their people almost nothing so we find it harder and harder to export. That leads to less jobs, not more


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22441327 - 10/27/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Your answers also seem pretty good on these stoney, except the first and last. I think standard of living is governed by much more than what trinkets you own. It hasn't really changed a lot in 30 years, however if we go back 50 years, I'd say standard of living has gone down. Reagan started the process.

Reasonable minimum wage increases clearly do NOT increase unemployment. There isn't a single shred of data to support that claim. All of the research show that it has a neutral impact on employment rates, and raises wages more than the price increasds of goods and services, as demonstrated by the CATO institute of all people lmao!

I would add that exploitation is the nature of Capitalism. We use people to make a profit. That is exploitation. Employers exploit the labor of employees in order to turn a profit. Employees receive a fractional return on the labor invested.

In a worker cooperative type business structure there is no exploitation.


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22441772 - 10/27/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Your answers also seem pretty good on these stoney, except the first and last. I think standard of living is governed by much more than what trinkets you own. It hasn't really changed a lot in 30 years, however if we go back 50 years, I'd say standard of living has gone down. Reagan started the process.

Reasonable minimum wage increases clearly do NOT increase unemployment. There isn't a single shred of data to support that claim. All of the research show that it has a neutral impact on employment rates, and raises wages more than the price increasds of goods and services, as demonstrated by the CATO institute of all people lmao!

I would add that exploitation is the nature of Capitalism. We use people to make a profit. That is exploitation. Employers exploit the labor of employees in order to turn a profit. Employees receive a fractional return on the labor invested.

In a worker cooperative type business structure there is no exploitation.




So no evidence that standard of living has decreased? Just more useless logical fallacies.

Exploitation is the nature of Socialism-just look at the kings and queens in DC- they get everything (with no accountability), we get more taxes and more regulations.

What job would those Indonesians perform if certain factories did not exist? Those are JOBS, not exploits.

CATO institute says minimum wage increases raise unemployment:

Obumble set the chattering classes abuzz after his recent unilateral announcement to raise the minimum wage for newly hired Federal contract workers. During his State of the Union address in January, he sang the praises for his decision, saying that “It’s good for the economy; it’s good for America.” As the worldwide economic slump drags on, the political drumbeat to either introduce minimum wage laws (read: Germany) or increase the minimums in countries where these laws exist — such as Indonesia — is becoming deafening. Yet the glowing claims about minimum wage laws don’t pass the most basic economic tests. Just look at the data from Europe (see the accompanying chart).
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/let-data-speak-truth-behind-minimum-wage-laws


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22442066 - 10/27/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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burgerbrain said:
Self-identified liberals and Democrats do badly on questions of basic economics.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703561604575282190930932412



1) Restrictions on housing development make housing less affordable (unenlightened answer: disagree).
2) Mandatory licensing of professional services increases the prices of those services (unenlightened answer: disagree).
3) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).
4) Rent control leads to housing shortages (unenlightened answer: disagree).
5) A company with the largest market share is a monopoly (unenlightened answer: agree).
6) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree).
7) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree).
8) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree).




What's your point? Do you really want me to go through the much larger list of stupid shit conservatives have polled wrong on? Given that Fox News's audience has consistently polled as less informed than people who don't even watch the news? Lmao

I'll tell ya what, if you think liberals are by and large the uninformed idiot voters, you are in for a rude awakening, and I would be glad to expose you to the slew of retarded conservatives who vote for people like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, and Sam Brownback. Republicans are a fucking joke in his country. They used to be reasonable stable-minded people. Now they're uneducated fringe idiots.




I'll tell ya what, if you think conservatives are by and large the uninformed idiot voters, you are in for a rude awakening, and I would be glad to expose you to the slew of retarded liberals who vote for people like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Hillary Clinton. Democrats are a fucking joke in his country. They used to be reasonable stable-minded people. Now they're uneducated fringe idiots.


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22442584 - 10/27/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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burgerbrain said:
Self-identified liberals and Democrats do badly on questions of basic economics.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703561604575282190930932412



1) Restrictions on housing development make housing less affordable (unenlightened answer: disagree).
2) Mandatory licensing of professional services increases the prices of those services (unenlightened answer: disagree).
3) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).
4) Rent control leads to housing shortages (unenlightened answer: disagree).
5) A company with the largest market share is a monopoly (unenlightened answer: agree).
6) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree).
7) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree).
8) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree).




What's your point? Do you really want me to go through the much larger list of stupid shit conservatives have polled wrong on? Given that Fox News's audience has consistently polled as less informed than people who don't even watch the news? Lmao

I'll tell ya what, if you think liberals are by and large the uninformed idiot voters, you are in for a rude awakening, and I would be glad to expose you to the slew of retarded conservatives who vote for people like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, and Sam Brownback. Republicans are a fucking joke in his country. They used to be reasonable stable-minded people. Now they're uneducated fringe idiots.




I'll tell ya what, if you think conservatives are by and large the uninformed idiot voters, you are in for a rude awakening, and I would be glad to expose you to the slew of retarded liberals who vote for people like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Hillary Clinton. Democrats are a fucking joke in his country. They used to be reasonable stable-minded people. Now they're uneducated fringe idiots.




Your list of Democrats at least sound smart... Sarah Palin sounds like a drunk freshman sorority bimbo trying to talk politics, and Bachman makes her look like a genius. Sam Brownback destroyed the state of Kansas and proved uncontrovertibly that conservative politics are a road to destruction. Rick Perry.. well... lmao... need I go on?

Look, sure liberals have voted for liers and cheats on occasion. Conservatives have no problem going FULL RETARD!

Tell me, do you think Palin or Bachman are better options than Obama? Be honest.

I'll let Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal say what I couldn't say better, the "Gop needs to stop being the party of stupid" if they ever expect to reclaim the white house. Voting for Trump is stupid in every sense of the word. It's the dumbest fucking thing I've heard in a decade! Go ahead, but you will not take the white house.


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22443157 - 10/28/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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3) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).

If you go by average, then this is correct, because the top earners are doing phenomenally well and skew the numbers up.  But I that's not how I would have interpreted the question; I'd look at the median.



I think the average person's standard of living is higher today than 30 years ago. We did not have cell phones then like today. Personal computers were a rarity, now people have them or a phone that does the same. We have the internet, google, many things we didn't have.



The question isn't if technology has advanced.  The question is people's standard of living (wealth) has increased.  On average it has, but only if you include the super rich.  Wealth hasn't gone up for the rest of us.

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6) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree).

If he meant "all" workers are being exploited would he be correct.  I wouldn't have interpreted it to be "all" since the question didn't say that.



Are all workers exploited? That is a communists answer.



Exactly.  I said I would NOT have interpreted it to mean "all" workers, so the 'enlightened' answer is wrong.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
7) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree).

Another deceptive question.  If he meant unemployment overseas, then he would be correct.  If he meant unemployment in the US (which I'm sure most liberals assumed), then he is wrong, and I know both sides here have already agreed on this.



We have not all agreed on this. In fact the consensus seems to be that it takes employment away from usa and sends it over seas.



Exactly.  That's what I just said.  The survey's 'enlightened' answer is wrong again.

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8) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree)

If it meant long term unemployment, then he is wrong yet again.



It certainly does, and it makes it harder to compete with overseas. They pay their people almost nothing so we find it harder and harder to export. That leads to less jobs, not more



Empirical evidence shows that increasing minimum wage does not hurt jobs in the long term.  It gives people more money to spend, which helps business.


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22443532 - 10/28/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Under Rick perry's leadership, Texas now gets a full third of its power from wind energy, Texas is number one in job creation, yeah, what a retard


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22446875 - 10/28/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
3) Overall, the standard of living is higher today than it was 30 years ago (unenlightened answer: disagree).

If you go by average, then this is correct, because the top earners are doing phenomenally well and skew the numbers up.  But I that's not how I would have interpreted the question; I'd look at the median.



I think the average person's standard of living is higher today than 30 years ago. We did not have cell phones then like today. Personal computers were a rarity, now people have them or a phone that does the same. We have the internet, google, many things we didn't have.



The question isn't if technology has advanced.  The question is people's standard of living (wealth) has increased.  On average it has, but only if you include the super rich.  Wealth hasn't gone up for the rest of us.

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Stonehenge said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
6) Third World workers working for American companies overseas are being exploited (unenlightened answer: agree).

If he meant "all" workers are being exploited would he be correct.  I wouldn't have interpreted it to be "all" since the question didn't say that.



Are all workers exploited? That is a communists answer.



Exactly.  I said I would NOT have interpreted it to mean "all" workers, so the 'enlightened' answer is wrong.

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Stonehenge said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
7) Free trade leads to unemployment (unenlightened answer: agree).

Another deceptive question.  If he meant unemployment overseas, then he would be correct.  If he meant unemployment in the US (which I'm sure most liberals assumed), then he is wrong, and I know both sides here have already agreed on this.



We have not all agreed on this. In fact the consensus seems to be that it takes employment away from usa and sends it over seas.



Exactly.  That's what I just said.  The survey's 'enlightened' answer is wrong again.

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Stonehenge said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
8) Minimum wage laws raise unemployment (unenlightened answer: disagree)

If it meant long term unemployment, then he is wrong yet again.



It certainly does, and it makes it harder to compete with overseas. They pay their people almost nothing so we find it harder and harder to export. That leads to less jobs, not more



Empirical evidence shows that increasing minimum wage does not hurt jobs in the long term.  It gives people more money to spend, which helps business.





Hehe, no sources for your "empirical evidence" again?


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22447146 - 10/28/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Under Rick perry's leadership, Texas now gets a full third of its power from wind energy, Texas is number one in job creation, yeah, what a retard




North Dakota is #1.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/181520/first-conn-last-state-job-creation-2014.aspx

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(1) PERRY ALLOWED THE EXECUTION OF A LIKELY INNOCENT MAN, THEN IMPEDED AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE MATTER: In 2004, Cameron Todd Willingham was executed in Huntsville, Texas after being convicted of arson and the murder of his three children. Even after significant evidence emerged showing that arson had not caused the fire (thus exonerating Willingham), Perry refused to grant a stay of execution. Five years after Willingham was executed, a report from a Texas Forensic Science Commission investigator found that the fire could not have been arson. As the commission prepared to hear testimony from the investigator in October 2009, Perry quickly fired and replaced three of its members, forcing an indefinite delay in the hearing.




http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/10/241830/top-10-thing-texas-gov-rick-perry/

How about the only person to ever run for president while under indictment for felony charges based on corruption as a leader! lmao!

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Perry was indicted on abuse of power and coercion charges last August for threatening to veto funding for the state's public integrity unit, unless the Democratic district attorney leading the group resigned for driving while intoxicated.




How about his 3 things he would cut if he were president! lol

That probably destroyed any hopes of taking the whitehouse. If you're going to talk about cutting large programs you had better be well versed on what the fuck those programs even are.


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22447291 - 10/28/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Empirical evidence shows that increasing minimum wage does not hurt jobs in the long term.  It gives people more money to spend, which helps business.



Hehe, no sources for your "empirical evidence" again?



Hehe, I thought you'd never ask:

The Most Rigorous Research Shows Minimum Wage Increases Do Not Reduce Employment
Why Does the Minimum Wage Have No Discernible Effect on Employment?
Study Showed Raising The Minimum Wage Did NOT Raise Unemployment


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22447360 - 10/29/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Empirical evidence shows that increasing minimum wage does not hurt jobs in the long term.  It gives people more money to spend, which helps business.



Hehe, no sources for your "empirical evidence" again?



Hehe, I thought you'd never ask:

The Most Rigorous Research Shows Minimum Wage Increases Do Not Reduce Employment
Why Does the Minimum Wage Have No Discernible Effect on Employment?
Study Showed Raising The Minimum Wage Did NOT Raise Unemployment




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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22447598 - 10/29/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, but high minim wages lead to high unemployment. any evidence to the contrary is socialist koolaid


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22448424 - 10/29/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Empirical evidence shows that increasing minimum wage does not hurt jobs in the long term.  It gives people more money to spend, which helps business.



Hehe, no sources for your "empirical evidence" again?



Hehe, I thought you'd never ask:

The Most Rigorous Research Shows Minimum Wage Increases Do Not Reduce Employment
Why Does the Minimum Wage Have No Discernible Effect on Employment?
Study Showed Raising The Minimum Wage Did NOT Raise Unemployment




So 2 Berkeley (Very left wing college) studies convince you huh? Sad that you're so gullible.

So if Min. Wage doesn't affect unemployment, why doesn't the federal gov' make min. wage $100/hour? That would solve all of our Unemployment problems right? Good logic there, socialist.

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/negative-effects-minimum-wage-laws
https://mises.org/library/yes-minimum-wages-still-increase-unemployment
http://americanactionforum.org/research/how-minimum-wage-increased-unemployment-and-reduced-job-creation-in-2013
http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/NealAsbury/minimum-wage-increase-unemployment-middle-class/2013/03/14/id/494620/


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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22449303 - 10/29/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22450870 - 10/29/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: burgerbrain] * 1
    #22451084 - 10/29/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So 2 Berkeley (Very left wing college) studies convince you huh? Sad that you're so gullible.



I couldn't care less if the studies are right wing or left wing.  I care about how they reach their conclusions.  It's interesting that you automatically discredit a study from one of the top universities in the country (which are all liberal leaning, by the way).

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So if Min. Wage doesn't affect unemployment, why doesn't the federal gov' make min. wage $100/hour? That would solve all of our Unemployment problems right? Good logic there, socialist.



I already explained that in this very thread, starting here:facepalm3:

Are you not paying any attention???  :banghead:

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http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/negative-effects-minimum-wage-laws
https://mises.org/library/yes-minimum-wages-still-increase-unemployment
http://americanactionforum.org/research/how-minimum-wage-increased-unemployment-and-reduced-job-creation-in-2013
http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/NealAsbury/minimum-wage-increase-unemployment-middle-class/2013/03/14/id/494620/



Let's review these.  Your first link is to the article that I used to support my argument in this very thread.

It doesn't discuss the long term effects of minimum wage on unemployment.

Your second article... ah fuck it.  I don't know why I'm even wasting my time explaining these things to you; obviously you're not listening and just trolling.  I'll save my effort for the smarter conservatives.


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