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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Please explain how NAFTA causes American businesses to close. It moves jobs overseas, but that doesn't force businesses to close.
wow, well why keep a factory open here when you can go overseas with same factory and not be badgered with all the regulations?
I just told you that NAFTA moves jobs overseas. That doesn't force businesses to close. For the record, I'm against NAFTA.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'm a little surprised that you're against clean water and air. Here's an idea: Instead of letting our factories poison us, how about we refuse to import products from countries that pollute the air and water? 
clean air and water? well I guess I know when I brought up the epa, libs would want blood,
Asking for clean air and water is wanting blood? You're not making sense again.
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hostileuniverse said: so let me ask you, how does not wanting a burdomesome EPA that is simply about justifying its job anymore, not wanting clean air and water?
You're amazingly wrong about the purpose of the EPA.
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hostileuniverse said: The EPA is huge, with an 11 billion dollar annual budget, its way more than just "clean air and water" estimates show the EPA costs the american economy over 350 BILLION dollars every year, I'm sorry, but they, much like the unions, are now a detriment to job creation, not our savior...
It DOES cost money for companies to put filters on hazardous gases released into the environment, and to properly dispose of hazardous chemicals rather than pouring them into our rivers, and for the EPA to set and enforce the rules so we can enjoy clean air and water.
not wrong about anything, I know exactly what the EPA does and how much it costs businesses to comply, keep forcing them out, and bitching about it, and wondering why theres no manufacturing jobs...
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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hostileuniverse said: not wrong about anything, I know exactly what the EPA does
Ooh, how can I argue with that?
How about this? I'm not wrong about anything, and I know exactly what the EPA does.
A weak argument, wouldn't you say?
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hostileuniverse said: not wrong about anything, I know exactly what the EPA does
Ooh, how can I argue with that?
How about this? I'm not wrong about anything, and I know exactly what the EPA does.
A weak argument, wouldn't you say?
only if youre a big govt socialist...
lets put this in perspective, the US marshall service has a budget of about 800 million, thats the US cops, taking care of the worst of the worst violent criminal offenders, the EPA has a budget of 11 BILLION, telling businesses what to do, and you don't see anything wrong with that???
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hostileuniverse said: lets put this in perspective, the US marshall service has a budget of about 800 million, thats the US cops, taking care of the worst of the worst violent criminal offenders, the EPA has a budget of 11 BILLION, telling businesses what to do, and you don't see anything wrong with that???
No, because state and local police handle the vast majority of police work, and spend FAR more money than the EPA. If you're aware of a shortage in the US Marshall Service, please fill us in.
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DieCommie

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Re: Poll: Economics [Re: qman]
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qman said: "Free trade leads to unemployment"
Who disagrees with that? It costs US jobs and gives employment to people in other countries. It leads to unemployment in the US, that's a fact. BTW, we don't even practice "free trade" today.
It doesn't say the US. It just says unemployment.
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hostileuniverse said: lets put this in perspective, the US marshall service has a budget of about 800 million, thats the US cops, taking care of the worst of the worst violent criminal offenders, the EPA has a budget of 11 BILLION, telling businesses what to do, and you don't see anything wrong with that???
No, because state and local police handle the vast majority of police work, and spend FAR more money than the EPA. If you're aware of a shortage in the US Marshall Service, please fill us in.
wow, even presented with facts, you soldier on... gotta give you credit, you are a good govt stooge...
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hostileuniverse said: Regulations for the most part have cut our manufacturing here. We used to build things here, good things, but the Europeans and Asians have outperformed us in allowing manufacturing to exist...
US based companies still manufacture products, but out of the US because of the cheaper labor. Not being able to find workers in the US for .50 cents to 2.00 per hour isn't a regulation.
US companies made plenty of profits before they moved manufacturing out of the US, and they also paid top wages, imagine that fact. 
So they made money here? Then why move? Greed? I don't think so, think about all the steel and textile companies that used to be here, they closed because of regulation, New Jersey used to have lots of factories, they closed because the leftist liberal govt forced them too, that's a fact
"So they made money here?"
Yup, fortune 500 companies that manufactured in the US made good money, but can make even more money hiring Mexicans or Chinese workers for 1/20 the wage.
"Then why move? Greed?"
Higher profits for shareholders, isn't that the ultimate goal?
"I don't think so"
Why? If you were CEO and the shareholders asked why you weren't taking advantage of the new available cheap labor outside of the US, what could you say?
Corporate America doesn't like saying they're moving their operations outside of the US for cheaper wages, it makes them sound like assholes, instead they like to blame other factors like- "not enough skilled workers, too much regulation, too keep the company competitive".
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: state and local police handle the vast majority of police work, and spend FAR more money than the EPA. If you're aware of a shortage in the US Marshall Service, please fill us in.
wow, even presented with facts, you soldier on... gotta give you credit, you are a good govt stooge...
Misleading facts which I corrected for you. The police cost FAR more than the EPA. Do you disagree?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: state and local police handle the vast majority of police work, and spend FAR more money than the EPA. If you're aware of a shortage in the US Marshall Service, please fill us in.
wow, even presented with facts, you soldier on... gotta give you credit, you are a good govt stooge...
Misleading facts which I corrected for you. The police cost FAR more than the EPA. Do you disagree?
all police, of course they do, but most police are funded by local taxes, I'm referring to the federal level, can you stay on topic?
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Yes, I'm way ahead of you. I already asked you "If you're aware of a shortage in the US Marshall Service, please fill us in."
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all police, of course they do, but most police are funded by local taxes, I'm referring to the federal level, can you stay on topic?
It doesn't really make a difference to my paycheck what initials are in front of the deduction. People play this game when trying to claim that the military is the majority of tax expense. They only do so by conveniently ignoring local, ssd and medicare taxes. Taxes are taxes, they are all taken from my paycheck under the threat of violence.
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DieCommie said: Taxes are taxes, they are all taken from my paycheck under the threat of violence.
Violence, huh? Can you link to a story of people getting beat up or killed for not paying taxes?
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Being forced into a cage at the point of a gun is violence. I'm not claiming its right or wrong here, just saying what it is. Every law is ultimately enforced under the threat of violence. That is really the only way it can work as far as I know.
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If you have a better way HU of keeping our air and water from being destroyed by business then the EPA please outline your plan.
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Who needs the EPA? We can just go back to the system of trusting businesses to regulate themselves. It worked out so well before. 






DAMN YOU AND YOUR HEAVY HANDED REGULATIONS EPA!
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This is what's frustrating with liberals, it's either all or nothing...
I'm not saying I support pollution or that the EPA should be scrapped altogether, I like clean air and water as well, however, when the EPA has an 11 BILLION dollar budget every year, I believe that some of that, if not most, could be better spent elsewhere, or better yet, not spent at all
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THE HUGE DROP IN AMERICA'S COMMITMENT
TO A SAFE ENVIRONMENT
75% DROP IN EPA FUNDING IN LAST 3 DECADES http://www.worldfuturefund.org/art2013/environmentalspending.html
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The environment doesn't need protection. It is perfectly capable of defending itself with hurricanes, floodings and tsunamis.
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Patlal said: The environment doesn't need protection. It is perfectly capable of defending itself with hurricanes, floodings and tsunamis.
EPA started December 2, 1970
"Before December 2nd 1970 the world had 100% pollution" -Libs
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hostileuniverse said: I believe that some of that, if not most, could be better spent elsewhere, or better yet, not spent at all
Okay, if not spent at all, then what is your solution? Give us alternatives.
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